obama ever answer those petitions for secession?

[Black Jesus]

or is he fulla shit about listening to the ppl

[Apostle]

please shut up ricky retardo

[Hitchens]

Please pardon Naez. Human emotions confuse him.

Beep boop.

[Hasbinbad]

how do you know when a politician is lying?

[Recycled Children]

or is he fulla shit about listening to the ppl

He didn't specifically but someone did about how we all need to stick together and how it makes us stronger as a nation. Basically just a lot more bull shit about totally ignoring the fundamentals of what this nation was built on.

[Hitchens]

the fundamentals of what this nation was built on.

http://i.imgur.com/8uqUw94.jpg

[Recycled Children]

http://i.imgur.com/8uqUw94.jpg

This could be literally any country.

[Recycled Children]

What's up with everyone's deal with bringing up slavery when trying to discredit the founding of America? Almost the entire world owned slaves at this time, slavery wasn't exclusive to America.

[Black Jesus]

Obama is the worst thing to happen to America since Lincoln took our slaves

[Recycled Children]

Obama is the worst thing to happen to America since Lincoln took our right to secede

Fixed that for you.

[Black Jesus]

that too

[Waon]

What's up with everyone's deal with bringing up slavery when trying to discredit the founding of America? Almost the entire world owned slaves at this time, slavery wasn't exclusive to America.

The rejection of the principles of the enlightenment/abolishment movement by the whites in the Southern United States to the extent that they went to war over it was exclusive to America. America is the only country that had a full blown civil war to protect their slave trade.

Please continue to entertain the rest of the world with your stupidity, America.

[Recycled Children]

The rejection of the principles of the enlightenment/abolishment movement by the whites in the Southern United States to the extent that they went to war over it was exclusive to America. America is the only country that had a full blown civil war to protect their slave trade.

Please continue to entertain the rest of the world with your stupidity, America.

The war was over states' right to secede and not slavery. Slavery was on the outs anyways Lincoln used that as a platform to push his Henry Clay agenda.

[Black Jesus]

Please continue to entertain the rest of the world with your stupidity, America.

Stupidity? Try basically every major scientific breakthrough and invention of the past 200 years moran

[Black Jesus]

Also yea, your ignorance of the real causes of the civil war as Recycled Children point out further cement the fact that you're a moran socialist shithole, probably from a country in euro or canada or some other shitty british colony

[Hitchens]

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[Black Jesus]

socialism is for fucking idiots who didnt pay attention to history class where the past 100 years they killed 200 million and collapsed every country that implemented it

china and russia have more capitalist economies

[Waon]

The only thing America exports is its culture, you are an industrial nation with no industry. The power shifts throughout history, but you are too narrow minded to acknowledge such. China will be the new influential power of the world; you are the new Spain.

America was the ONLY country to have a civil war over slavery abolishment, it was widely accepted throughout the world, but not in the Southern USA. Regardless of your misinformation, this is fact. I don't know what they teach you in History in the states, but it is obviously biased bullshit.

Let me dumb it down for you community college elites. WHY did the South want to secede from the North?
LOL America.

[Hitchens]

http://i.imgur.com/r8K97bH.jpg

[Black Jesus]

Nobody said America's going down the shitter atm, look at the fucking Marxist leading it.

And you are getting the batshit retarded version of history worse than the Holocaust bullshit they serve. For one thing the North was becoming more industrial, creating newer industries, and the South was losing money on it's cotton and tobacco plantations. Therefore, the South wanted to start trading outside of the United States, and the United States government wanted to charge large taxes and tariffs on the Southern plantation goods. These two things lead to a difference in agenda, and thus the Southern elites decided to make their own government, the Confederates.

Hope that helps, Abraham Lincoln didn't address slavery until the war was almost over.

[Black Jesus]

Nobody said America ain't* going down the shitter atm, look at the fucking Marxist leading it.

And you are getting the batshit retarded version of history worse than the Holocaust bullshit they serve. For one thing the North was becoming more industrial, creating newer industries, and the South was losing money on it's cotton and tobacco plantations. Therefore, the South wanted to start trading outside of the United States, and the United States government wanted to charge large taxes and tariffs on the Southern plantation goods. These two things lead to a difference in agenda, and thus the Southern elites decided to make their own government, the Confederates.

Hope that helps, Abraham Lincoln didn't address slavery until the war was almost over.

[Waon]

So you honestly believe your President is an undercover communist; what is this the 1940's again? Where do you come up with this rhetoric?
America is notorious for witch-hunting communists, so much so that you use it in a derogatory demeanor. "Democracy" does not work, your government has to inject money into your constantly failing economy. Capitalism is a lie to enslave you.
Considering American's belief that they are all "millionaires in the making" I can understand your clouded perceptions of how great your pseudo-democracy is. Marxism is not only impossible to achieve, but impossible to maintain. You cannot argue logic with someone that can not grasp it.

Southern plantations were run by slave owners, and relied heavily on slave labor to run. What you are stating as the "main cause" is in fact a secondary reason.
Please take this moment to visit Google Scholars and get educated.

[kenzar]

So you honestly believe your President is an undercover communist; what is this the 1940's again? Where do you come up with this rhetoric?
America is notorious for witch-hunting communists, so much so that you use it in a derogatory demeanor. "Democracy" does not work, your government has to inject money into your constantly failing economy. Capitalism is a lie to enslave you.
Considering American's belief that they are all "millionaires in the making" I can understand your clouded perceptions of how great your pseudo-democracy is. Marxism is not only impossible to achieve, but impossible to maintain. You cannot argue logic with someone that can not grasp it.

Southern plantations were run by slave owners, and relied heavily on slave labor to run. What you are stating as the "main cause" is in fact a secondary reason.
Please take this moment to visit Google Scholars and get educated.

Welcome to RnF, you must be new here.

[Daldolma]

So you honestly believe your President is an undercover communist; what is this the 1940's again? Where do you come up with this rhetoric?
America is notorious for witch-hunting communists, so much so that you use it in a derogatory demeanor. "Democracy" does not work, your government has to inject money into your constantly failing economy. Capitalism is a lie to enslave you.
Considering American's belief that they are all "millionaires in the making" I can understand your clouded perceptions of how great your pseudo-democracy is. Marxism is not only impossible to achieve, but impossible to maintain. You cannot argue logic with someone that can not grasp it.

Southern plantations were run by slave owners, and relied heavily on slave labor to run. What you are stating as the "main cause" is in fact a secondary reason.
Please take this moment to visit Google Scholars and get educated.

obama is a confirmed marxist sympathizer pushing socialist death panel healthcare reforms

democracy gives voice to the meek exactly like the bible requires

capitalism allows american dream so everyone can make what they deserve with hard work

go live in cuba MORAN

[Kagatob]

^
I know it's an ironic trollpost but I still can't help but point out that there are at least 17 distinct things wrong with that post.

[Skywarp]

I love my country, I don't care much for my government and the politicians who pervert its intended purpose. Most people in those officers are law school grads which makes them lawyers, the salt of the earth my ass.

Waon has this one won by a mile.

If your going to cite actual events in history or it's causes and effects get a proper quote from a confirmed historical account or record.

For those who don't think slavery was the core issue your wrong. That reason was based on the fact that the south didn't like the north telling them how to live. They used Declaration of Independence citing to they were allowed to secede to overthrow and oppressive government. It was a war based on profit and loss in the South. The north was already industrialized and the south was not. So I give a recent article done
by a journalist from the Washington Post in 2011 done from a study of 1000's of History teachers across America.


By James W. Loewen, Published: February 26, 2011 One hundred fifty years after the Civil War began, we’re still fighting it — or at least fighting over its history. I’ve polled thousands of high school history teachers and spoken about the war to audiences across the country, and there is little agreement even about why the South seceded. Was it over slavery? States’ rights? Tariffs and taxes? As the nation begins to commemorate the anniversaries of the war’s various battles — from Fort Sumter to Appomattox — let’s first dispense with some of the more prevalent myths about why it all began. Civil War 150 The Washington Post continues its special coverage of the 150th anniversary of the American Civil War. Live Q&A: Mon 11 ET The vow: Ask Page Ask your question now 1. The South seceded over states’ rights. Confederate states did claim the right to secede, but no state claimed to be seceding for that right. In fact, Confederates opposed states’ rights — that is, the right of Northern states not to support slavery. On Dec. 24, 1860, delegates at South Carolina’s secession convention adopted a “Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union.” It noted “an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery” and protested that Northern states had failed to “fulfill their constitutional obligations” by interfering with the return of fugitive slaves to bondage. Slavery, not states’ rights, birthed the Civil War. South Carolina was further upset that New York no longer allowed “slavery transit.” In the past, if Charleston gentry wanted to spend August in the Hamptons, they could bring their cook along. No longer — and South Carolina’s delegates were outraged. In addition, they objected that New England states let black men vote and tolerated abolitionist societies. According to South Carolina, states should not have the right to let their citizens assemble and speak freely when what they said threatened slavery. Other seceding states echoed South Carolina. “Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world,” proclaimed Mississippi in its own secession declaration, passed Jan. 9, 1861. “Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of the commerce of the earth. . . . A blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.” The South’s opposition to states’ rights is not surprising. Until the Civil War, Southern presidents and lawmakers had dominated the federal government. The people in power in Washington always oppose states’ rights. Doing so preserves their own.

[myriverse]

The only thing America exports is its culture, you are an industrial nation with no industry. The power shifts throughout history, but you are too narrow minded to acknowledge such. China will be the new influential power of the world; you are the new Spain.

America was the ONLY country to have a civil war over slavery abolishment, it was widely accepted throughout the world, but not in the Southern USA. Regardless of your misinformation, this is fact. I don't know what they teach you in History in the states, but it is obviously biased bullshit.

Let me dumb it down for you community college elites. WHY did the South want to secede from the North?
LOL America.
Indeed. There are a few of us Americans who know better... even in the South.

[Recycled Children]

Please take this moment to visit Google Scholars and get educated.

Please take your state education to a library and read a fucking book and not the internet. God damn. People get a real sense of entitlement once they learn how to Google.

[whteshark]

"The war was over states' right to secede and not slavery. Slavery was on the outs anyways Lincoln used that as a platform to push his Henry Clay agenda."

Exactly. Lincoln didnt care about slavery, just an excuse for a war and to not let the south leave the union. They had a right to leave if they wanted and it almost happened if Lee didnt charge them at gettysburg. Lee's ego got the best of him.

[stonez138]

Also yea, your ignorance of the real causes of the civil war as Recycled Children point out further cement the fact that you're a moran socialist shithole, probably from a country in euro or canada or some other shitty british colony

Anyone that thinks the civil war wasn't fought over slavery is a fucking moron! Read a fucking book and pull your head out of your ass! Here's a quote from the V.P. of the confederacy....

"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition."

sell me again how the war wasn't about slavery you idiot...

P.S. Slavery wasn't on it's way out that's bullshit. Kansas was bloeeding for a reason.

[stonez138]

the South was losing money on it's cotton and tobacco plantations.

Really? on the eve of the War cotton accounted for nearly 60% of all U.S. exports.

[Hasbinbad]

Anyone that thinks the civil war wasn't fought over slavery is a fucking moron! Read a fucking book and pull your head out of your ass! Here's a quote from the V.P. of the confederacy....
The civil war was mainly in response to a dispute over whether or not new states would have slavery. The north was absolutely fine with the south having slaves and the south was absolutely fine with the north not having slaves. The southerners wanted the new states to have slavery and the northerners wanted the new states to be slavery free.

Also, Lincoln didn't give a shit about slavery either way.

If I can preserve the union and free all of the slaves, I will do that;
If I can preserve the union and free some of the slaves, I will do that;
If I can preserve the union and free none of the slaves, I will do that.
-Abraham Lincoln

[GODPARTICLE]

Saying the civil war was fought over slavery is like saying world war II was fought over jews

[quido]

I wish Texas would/could secede. The Deep South too.

[Kagatob]

Saying the civil war was fought over slavery is like saying world war II was fought over jews

Terrible analogy is terrible.

[citizen1080]

Also yea, your ignorance of the real causes of the civil war as Recycled Children point out further cement the fact that you're a moran socialist shithole, probably from a country in euro or canada or some other shitty british colony

Try Germany lol...and or German scientists on American soil. Just saying =)

[Hollywood]

The war was over states' right to secede and not slavery. Slavery was on the outs anyways Lincoln used that as a platform to push his Henry Clay agenda.

You read his memoirs? It's quite clear 'honest' Abe didn't give a shit about the slaves, and why should he? He used it as political ammunition and nothing more.

They way his journals read, sounds like he'd let slavery resume once the war was over.

Originally Posted by GODPARTICLE
Saying the civil war was fought over slavery is like saying world war II was fought over jews

Truth. Two cases of where the American government should have kept their noses out and everyone would have been better off for it.

[GODPARTICLE]

I wish Texas would/could secede. The Deep South too.

would move there in a heartbeat

[Recycled Children]

You read his memoirs? It's quite clear 'honest' Abe didn't give a shit about the slaves, and why should he? He used it as political ammunition and nothing more.

They way his journals read, sounds like he'd let slavery resume once the war was over.

Originally Posted by GODPARTICLE
Saying the civil war was fought over slavery is like saying world war II was fought over jews

Truth. Two cases of where the American government should have kept their noses out and everyone would have been better off for it.

I've read "The Real Lincoln" by Thomas Di Lorenzo. If anyone hasn't you should it's a great book. Lots of great quotes about shipping Africans back to Africa and South America and all of his fucked up British sympathizer politics.

We wouldn't have been in WW2 if not for FDR provoking Japan to attack us. There's some more history you actually have to do research on to get to the truth rather than relying on your school taught version of history.

Glad to see the reinforcements of history have arrived.

[Recycled Children]

would move there in a heartbeat

Me too.

[GODPARTICLE]

yep pearl harbour was pretty much allowed to occur

[stonez138]

We wouldn't have been in WW2 if not for FDR provoking Japan to attack us.

Or maybe if Teddy hadn't encouraged Japan to have an Monroe Doctrine for Asia...because,you know, the Japanese are the most aryan of asians.

And to all the idiots saying the civil war was about state's rights, you're half right...It was about a state's right TO HAVE SLAVES.

[stonez138]

The civil war was mainly in response to a dispute over whether or not new states would have slavery. The north was absolutely fine with the south having slaves and the south was absolutely fine with the north not having slaves. The southerners wanted the new states to have slavery and the northerners wanted the new states to be slavery free.

Also, Lincoln didn't give a shit about slavery either way.

If I can preserve the union and free all of the slaves, I will do that;
If I can preserve the union and free some of the slaves, I will do that;
If I can preserve the union and free none of the slaves, I will do that.
-Abraham Lincoln

This is all true. Lincoln would be considered racist today and in no way considered the black man his moral or intellectual equal. It doesn't change the fact that the south tried to secede to protect their peculiar institution from a man they percieved as a radical abolitionist.

[GODPARTICLE]

You Yankees are wrong. It's revisionist history that Civil War was fought completely over slavery.

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[stonez138]

So you want me to listen to the guy that says we should still be allowed to refuse service to blacks in restaraunts and is giving a speech in front of a confederate flag?

[stonez138]

Watched the video, doesn't make a single good point.

[kotton05]

My junior highschool is dedicated to General Sherman!

[stonez138]

My junior highschool is dedicated to General Sherman!

I'm guessing you didn't go to school in Georgia.

Sherman was a hard ass!

I have already received guns that can cast heavy and destructive shot as far as the heart of your city; also, I have for some days held and controlled every avenue by which the people and garrison of Savannah can be supplied, and I am therefore justified in demanding the surrender of the city of Savannah, and its dependent forts, and shall wait a reasonable time for your answer, before opening with heavy ordnance. Should you entertain the proposition, I am prepared to grant liberal terms to the inhabitants and garrison; but should I be forced to resort to assault, or the slower and surer process of starvation, I shall then feel justified in resorting to the harshest measures, and shall make little effort to restrain my army—burning to avenge the national wrong which they attach to Savannah and other large cities which have been so prominent in dragging our country into civil war.
— William T. Sherman , Message to William J. Hardee, December 17, 1864

[Gadwen]

So you want me to listen to the guy that says we should still be allowed to refuse service to blacks in restaraunts and is giving a speech in front of a confederate flag?

No, you are supposed to listen to the warmongering corporate whore in the White House.

[GODPARTICLE]

No, you are supposed to listen to the warmongering corporate whore in the White House.

[kotton05]

That's an awesome General Sherman letter!!! Yea he didn't really give a fuck and loved burning things down.

Still feel kinda awkward when ever I roll thru the south cause to me he was a hero as a kid then after growing up things become alil more grayish instead of black n white.

[Recycled Children]

So you want me to listen to the guy that says we should still be allowed to refuse service to blacks in restaraunts and is giving a speech in front of a confederate flag?

lolwut?

[GODPARTICLE]

that was Rand but clearly in America that should be legal, I should be able to refuse to server whoever the fuck I want to

[kotton05]

If you own your own place I guess you could. But Care Bears would destroy you somehow

[stonez138]

that was Rand but clearly in America that should be legal, I should be able to refuse to server whoever the fuck I want to


So only property owners should enjoy liberty? A person shouldn't have the right to choose where they shop or eat or go to school? Why do you hate freedom?

[GODPARTICLE]

sorry, this isn't communism, we have private property

[Kagatob]

would move there in a heartbeat

Me too.

Why wait? Get the fuck out of here now! Good riddance. :cool:

sorry, this isn't communism, we have private property

One can only hope that the future will be so bright.

[GODPARTICLE]

yea because countless governments collapsed and 200 million dead in the past century alone wasn't enough to show how awful communism is

[Kagatob]

yea because countless governments collapsed and 200 million dead in the past century alone wasn't enough to show how awful communism is

^
Brainwashed sheep who doesn't know the difference between a totalitarian dictatorship and actual communism. :)

[GODPARTICLE]

^brainwashed sheep who thinks a stateless & classless society will ever occur

[Kagatob]

You're a very sad individual, I feel great pity for any female who could possibly get drunk enough to spend a night with you.

[stonez138]

yea because countless governments collapsed and 200 million dead in the past century alone wasn't enough to show how awful communism is

How many millions died in the name of religion?

And as for those brave Texans that want to secede. I bet they accept federal aid for the tornado damage that just occoured. I bet they used the National Weather Service's warning to take cover.

[stonez138]

sorry, this isn't communism, we have private property

It takes a special kind of moron to equate not discriminating on the basis of color to communism....

Did I say you had to give the blackman (or anyone) a free meal?

You are dumb.

[GODPARTICLE]

You're a very sad individual, I feel great pity for any female who could possibly get drunk enough to spend a night with you.

ad hominem after getting pwned about how fucking stupid communism is. typical of commies

How many millions died in the name of religion?

And as for those brave Texans that want to secede. I bet they accept federal aid for the tornado damage that just occoured. I bet they used the National Weather Service's warning to take cover.

first parts a strawman

and there's nothign stopping texas from forming their own organizations, and federal aid is something you can get even if you are a fucking different country.

It takes a special kind of moron to equate not discriminating on the basis of color to communism....

Did I say you had to give the blackman (or anyone) a free meal?

You are dumb.

No, it was alluded that in America people have to freedom to do whatever they want on others properties. I said no, we have private property, unlike communism, where people can kick whoever the fuck they want off, and even shoot in most cases.

[GODPARTICLE]

Oh but its already been proven (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=53515) that America is a communist country today, so maybe you're onto something.

[Hollywood]

sorry, this isn't communism, we have private property

No we don't. Everything is government owned now (land wise) - it's how they enact laws on the private sector.

[GODPARTICLE]

yea I know I just forfeited that by saying we are indeed commies

[stonez138]

No, it was alluded that in America people have to freedom to do whatever they want on others properties. I said no, we have private property, unlike communism, where people can kick whoever the fuck they want off, and even shoot in most cases.

Learn the difference between a public place (restaurant) and private property dumbass. Oh and by the way Jesus was a communist.

[Recycled Children]

Learn the difference between a public place (restaurant) and private property dumbass. Oh and by the way Jesus was a communist.

Apparently you need to be educated as well because restaurants are not public places they're privately owned. Restaurant and business owners hold the right to refuse service to people they don't want to serve.

[GODPARTICLE]

does that even really need to be explained?

I mean I guess so, but really?

[Duie]

I wish Texas would/could secede. The Deep South too.

Actually , Texas is the only state in the union that still has that right .

[Wudan]

What's up with everyone's deal with bringing up slavery when trying to discredit the founding of America? Almost the entire world owned slaves at this time, slavery wasn't exclusive to America.

Jeezus, how stupid are you? Go back to fucking school moran. You are pulling this out of your ass

[Hitchens]

Actually , Texas is the only state in the union that still has that right .

That sure would get in the way of requesting federal disaster money to fix unregulated shitplant explosions.

[GODPARTICLE]

Jeezus, how stupid are you? Go back to fucking school moran. You are pulling this out of your ass

Throughout history from the jews in egypt to iphone manufacturers in china there has been slavery

[Hitchens]

http://i.imgur.com/xV6Ymyw.jpg

[GODPARTICLE]

you clicked show post I know you like a book

[Graahle]

Actually , Texas is the only state in the union that still has that right .

QFT.

[Kagatob]

Throughout history from the jews in egypt to iphone manufacturers in china there has been slavery

You think the Jews were slaves in Egypt lol. That's cute.

[Hollywood]

Apparently you need to be educated as well because restaurants are not public places they're privately owned. Restaurant and business owners hold the right to refuse service to people they don't want to serve.

Just like you used to be able to sell or not sell your home to anyone for any reason.
Now the banks dictate.

[Hitchens]

Just like you used to be able to sell or not sell your home to anyone for any reason.
Now the banks dictate.

I hear ya brother, seatbelt laws are tyranny.

[GODPARTICLE]

You think the Jews were slaves in Egypt lol. That's cute.

You probably think passover and the rest of the bible is false too :rolleyes:

[Kagatob]

You probably think passover and the rest of the bible is false too :rolleyes:

It's a metaphor, archeological evidence now points to the Jewish people of the time having been skilled masons and mercenaries for hire and the current theory is that they were so strong and skilled as a military force that the Egyptian Pharaoh actually drove them out before they could become a serious threat.

http://sighroll.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/themoreyouknow.jpg

[Hollywood]

I hear ya brother, seatbelt laws are tyranny.

Different severity, same league.

If you can't see the problem with things like seatbelt laws, you'll never understand the fundamental flaws of a big government.

Which means you should be quiet and let the grown ups talk.

[Kagatob]

Seatbelts save lives.

[GODPARTICLE]

So does arming pilots

[Hitchens]

Different severity, same league.

If you can't see the problem with things like seatbelt laws, you'll never understand the fundamental flaws of a big government.

Which means you should be quiet and let the grown ups talk.

I'm on your side pal. We sovereign citizens must fight against courtrooms with gold fringed flags.

[GODPARTICLE]

It's a metaphor, archeological evidence now points to the Jewish people of the time having been skilled masons and mercenaries for hire and the current theory is that they were so strong and skilled as a military force that the Egyptian Pharaoh actually drove them out before they could become a serious threat.

http://sighroll.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/themoreyouknow.jpg

this is worse than holocaust denial

[Hasbinbad]

So does arming pilots
Cars kill more people annually, by an order of magnitude, than 9/11.

[Kagatob]

this is worse than holocaust denial

My Jewish girlfriend would tell you otherwise. :)

[GODPARTICLE]

now I know you're fibbin

[GODPARTICLE]

Cars kill more people annually, by an order of magnitude, than 9/11.

^anti-statist praising nanny state

[Ahldagor]

Actually , Texas is the only state in the union that still has that right .

Texas can't. That would be a violation of federal law. Constitution or not, Texas couldn't survive on its own, currently, because of the massive debt we have. We have a blowhard closet case for a governor who does nothing but line his friends pockets, but because the urban population doesn't out number the rural and suburban, Perry keeps getting elected and perpetuating his cronyism. He makes Bush II look like an amateur.

[Hitchens]

Governor Good Hair.

[Ahldagor]

Governor Good Hair.

precisely

[Hitchens]

We've got Mary Fallin up here. Just as embarrassing, but without the national media attention.

[Stibe]

Texas can't. That would be a violation of federal law. Constitution or not, Texas couldn't survive on its own, currently, because of the massive debt we have. We have a blowhard closet case for a governor who does nothing but line his friends pockets, but because the urban population doesn't out number the rural and suburban, Perry keeps getting elected and perpetuating his cronyism. He makes Bush II look like an amateur.

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[Stibe]

Ugh. No idea why that autoplayed but fuck it.

[Ahldagor]

video support for my first claim.

http://www.texaswatchdog.org/2012/08/texas-third-in-total-state-debt-low-by-per-capita-measure-underfunded-pension-liabilities/1346172574.column

[Ahldagor]

video support for my first claim.

http://www.texaswatchdog.org/2012/08/texas-third-in-total-state-debt-low-by-per-capita-measure-underfunded-pension-liabilities/1346172574.column

stibe's vid not what i linked

[Ahldagor]

We've got Mary Fallin up here. Just as embarrassing, but without the national media attention.

have to look into her.

[Kagatob]

now I know you're fibbin

Considering every statement you've made thus far has been false, my stance remains solid. :)

[Hitchens]

But not Texas, which gives more money to the federal government in taxes than it gets back. There's no reason why independent Texas couldn't keep those highways paved and give its citizens a small happy-Texapendency-day Tax cut.

lolno

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/69072.html

[Stibe]

lolno

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/69072.html

So you're saying that cant survive because the federal government is giving them money for a healthcare system forced on them by the federal government.. Got it.

[Hitchens]

Actually I'm saying the author of your video is wrong and sources very few of his claims.

[Ahldagor]

Supremacy clause Stibe.

[Recycled Children]

Jeezus, how stupid are you? Go back to fucking school moran. You are pulling this out of your ass

Wooooowwwww... Nice fucking schooling there ace.