GM's having fun in vegas= FFA. FE Guild Leaders train at rage fire,

[Fael]

Pictures of event: http://imgur.com/a/iKfF5
Logs of event: pastebin.com/2apZmhLR
FE involvement: Goodies, Imba, Unbrella, Sveth, Ploktor, Fllash, Raymore, Getsome, etc.

Synopsis:

I log in to find rage fire alone in lair. I call sworen, he logs on, we buff, we move to turn in.... to our surprise Rage Fire attacked us! Forceful Entry decided to pull him to the bottom of the zone and do the turn in there, with fire giants up. This of course is fine; but it comes with the risk that someone may FTE him before they actually have someone in the lair to do the encounter. They of course did not.

We engage knowing nothing about FE's turn in. Five minutes later they come in crying foul, slinging curse words, etc, etc. "Way to represent you're guild, qq, qq, tears galore." Even though we had FTE, even though they don't get credit for turning in a pearl when they aren't even in the lair to engage (because we would have beat them to it if they had done it right), we decide to be nice, and let them have it.

I log; but unfortunately for them Ploktor is such a special player (and not in a good sense) that he brings in a massive train of LDC to train his officers. Such skill. They of course die. We log back in, start rezzing, get ready to engage, and Imba and Raymore come flying in to get FTE with a naked getsome.

So I log again, thinking props to them, that is a clutch recovery on their part, we lost, what ever. But again, they fail. Imba gets feared into giants. They all die.

We then log in, engage with no FE in zone. Five minutes later, Unbrella logs on his monk (who has been banned before for training trak), comes in and drops an entire train specifically on Noobs.

After asking some of their players how they can think themselves justified to act in such ways; and their response was that the train was caused by lazyeyes getting feared while also Imba was feared. This absolutely did not happen. Lazy died in the lair to the AE. They will not have proof of it. Snackies was in lair fd and watched the whole thing go down. Its simply the only thing they can come up with to tell themselves that its not their fault. They really aren't that bad.

Anyways, i normally don't rnf. But I also haven't ever been totally fucked by other people to this extent. When they ninja loot during raids its not quite as personal. Or if both sides have accidental trains of trakanon / fear, etc. That is one thing. I don't hold FE players responsible for stuff that happens on raids. Shit happens, not all of it is intentional. But what happened yesterday was intentional. It was done by an ex-officer, for the benefit and furtherance of the aim of their officers (Goodies, Sveth (sloan i guess), Imba (shinko), etc, etc.

This free for all bs has to stop. This isn't VP. It isn't even fear or trak.

Dolic
60 Bard

[Eccezan]

First from cell phone.

[Alarti0001]

How many FE will get suspended from this I wonder?

[Eccezan]

The answer to this question is that embittered by multiple levels of failure, FE turns to despicable and desperate acts. The fall of IB all over again, ninja looting and brazen training. Fail guild is fail.

[Hurley]

SOMEONE CALL THE PRESIDENT

[getsome]

Epic Piece Camp Rules


When it comes to an NPC such as Ragefire or other raid level NPC for the Epics they are handled the same as other encounters using a combination of the PNP rules:

Examples:


Triggered spawns:
Whoever hands their items into the ragefire human has triggered the encounter and their guild/raid force would receive the right to go first in that instance.

This rule would apply as well:


The hand in of the quest item triggers the initial mob and his death triggers the dragon. Both mobs belong to that force for 1 attempt or 20 minutes.



Dolic & Sworen are cheaters. Learn the rules.

http://i44.tinypic.com/2mfkmx1.jpg

[quido]

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[Alarti0001]

SOMEONE CALL THE PRESIDENT

Quick get Blink to DDoS the server!

[Alarti0001]

Dolic & Sworen are cheaters. Learn the rules.

http://i44.tinypic.com/2mfkmx1.jpg

U attempted and wiped.... learn the rules.

[nuglord]

all I gathered from this post is that you attempted to kill a mob that wasn't your turn in, while spinning nobody from FE was there to "FTE" on a "spawned mob".

[Fael]

Bro, you didn't get the part where we backed off? let them have it? and then they whipped not once but twice?

Learn to read.

Dolic

[Alarti0001]

Bro, you didn't get the part where we backed off? let them have it? and then they whipped not once but twice?

Learn to read.

Dolic

Some members of FE are incapable of processing derogatory information about FE or positive information about TMO.

Alot of these people are also bigots, racists, homo/transphobes. For example... nuglord here

[big league chew]

blue problems lals

[nuglord]

alarti you seem to know alot about me. im obv white bigot/homo but my operation isnt til next month !

[Ele]

alarti you seem to know alot about me. im obv white bigot/homo but my operation isnt til next month !

get rid of that nasty stache yet?

[Ele]

so the aggro version of human ragefire was up when you went to do turn in with full giant spawn and no one else in lair? lol

[Snackies]

That was not a fun afternoon.

I just wanted to kill a dragon but instead FD'd and listened to rage from my friends on both sides :(

I went for a walk with my good friend Green Flash West Coast IPA and we talked about it afterwards.

[Fael]

yep. they turned in down at the zone in.

Who knows how long ago it had been turned in. By the time they whipped, im sure it had been about 40 minutes to an hour.

Dolic

[Enygma]

so the aggro version of human ragefire was up when you went to do turn in with full giant spawn and no one else in lair? lol

exactly... got agro... they didn't do anything to help kill the human ragefire... then he flee'd out of lair... they killed it... I engaged Dragon Ragefire - they trained ldc's on me and themselves... I die... log on lazyeyes and get feared with 200+ MR... while giants / ldc's are training around and get owned during fear... they then fight the dragon uncontested no other mobs in area and then wipe somehow... after we conceided they had won given their train tactics etc...

We log back on to an unengaged ragefire... no FE in area / zone and we engage / turn on logs ... fight the mob for 5 mins before Guchi trains us.

GG.

[nuglord]

yep. they turned in down at the zone in.

Who knows how long ago it had been turned in. By the time they whipped, im sure it had been about 40 minutes to an hour.

Dolic

i heard it was more like 4-5 hours :D spin harder, i wanna hear more!

[nuglord]

get rid of that nasty stache yet?

keeping the dirty stache, im gonna be the hottest tranny on the market other than cecily ofc!

[nuglord]

exactly... got agro... they didn't do anything to help kill the human ragefire... then he flee'd out of lair... they killed it... I engaged Dragon Ragefire - they trained ldc's on me and themselves... I die...
GG.

sworen die? impossible, too beefy. seen you tank 10 giants at once!

[Vianna]

How many FE will get suspended from this I wonder?

Well you can't attack a spawned ragefire for 20 minutes if you aren't the person to spawn him. That is the rules as far as I know on the Ragefire spawn. The other guild or parties who spawn the human form have 20 minutes to engage. That is why people spawn him from the bottom of the stairs while they wait for the rest of the people to show up who is gonna help kill him. If you guys engaged before that 20 minutes was up you may actually be in the wrong.

[Crazyeye]

Another thread resulting of a clusteredasfucked 2 year kunark box. Release velious

[Fael]

I have no idea how long it had been spawned before we got attacked by it. When i said 40 minutes, I was refuting the nonsense getsome posted about the fact that they have 20 minutes to try to kill it.

I know this. I saw it up. I called sworen. I buffed sworen. We killed magus before they came in. Moreover, not only did they make two attempts, but the time period that elapsed before we engaged and then got trained was at a MINIMUM 40 minutes.

I'm sorry if you were confused. You seem to have trouble with reading comp.

Dolic

[Fael]

Vivian, we didnt know the pearl was even turned in. When he attacked us, we gave it to them. Thats not the issue here. The issue is they failed twice. More than twenty minutes went by. And no fe were in zone.

Its at that point we engaged and were trained.

Dolic

[Vianna]

Vivian, we didnt know the pearl was even turned in. When he attacked us, we gave it to them. Thats not the issue here. The issue is they failed twice. More than twenty minutes went by. And no fe were in zone.

Its at that point we engaged and were trained.

Dolic

Ok. I was just saying seems like a lot of confusion.

[nuglord]

we didnt know the pearl was even turned in.

Dolic

i lol'd, what a fael

[Fael]

Yes. Thats what happens when you pull Ragefire out of the lair, do the turn in at the bottom, with all the giants up.

People who log in to find him up and the lair totally empty have no idea that he is even kos, etc, etc.

Dolic

[Enygma]

sworen die? impossible, too beefy. seen you tank 10 giants at once!

lol! no heals bro!

[Fael]

Lol at the guild with 6 officers and 2 others for rage fire, failing hard twice to kill a classic mob. Then train 2 people who are killing it with ease. Thats what is fail my friend.

Dolic

[getsome]

so the aggro version of human ragefire was up when you went to do turn in with full giant spawn and no one else in lair? lol

I pulled the merchant down from the lair so a friend could sell some junk on him. I ran into Snackie and Szeth and I asked them both if they had anyone in guild who needed RF? No one online had a pearl. After a few minutes someone logged in who had a pearl and did the turn in.

Initially it was gonna be like 4-5 people from three guilds FE, TMO, IB killing RF and rolling on the phats.

As we were moving our force to engage, our mob was engaged by Sworen and crew. And then sworen beat the mob down and it started to flee from the lair. That kinda fucked up everything, as I needed to then gate out (cause FGs were all up) to go find him with a monk and get him killed.

In a nutshell please do not interfere with spawned epic quests mobs.

Thanks.

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[Wed May 15 19:27:34 2013] You told Snackies, 'yo'
[Wed May 15 19:27:38 2013] Snackies tells you, 'sup dude'
[Wed May 15 19:27:44 2013] Players on EverQuest:
[Wed May 15 19:27:44 2013] ---------------------------
[Wed May 15 19:27:44 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Snackies <The Mystical Order>
[Wed May 15 19:27:44 2013] [55 Beguiler] Roodbnok (Air Elemental) <Taken>
[Wed May 15 19:27:44 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Punisha <Taken>
[Wed May 15 19:27:44 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Yaddar <Taken>
[Wed May 15 19:27:44 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Nalken <Taken>
[Wed May 15 19:27:44 2013] [60 Warlock] Sickle (Dark Elf) <Bregan D`Aerth> LFG
[Wed May 15 19:27:44 2013] [60 High Priest] Getsome (Halfling) <Inglourious Basterds>
[Wed May 15 19:27:44 2013] There are 7 players in Nagafen's Lair.

[Wed May 15 19:28:42 2013] Snackies tells you, 'brb - if you need a hand im down to help'

[Wed May 15 19:30:51 2013] You told Snackies, 'i dont have any pearls'

[Wed May 15 19:31:37 2013] You say, 'can you open vendor with him?'

[Wed May 15 19:31:44 2013] Snackies tells the group, 'yeah i can'
[Wed May 15 19:31:53 2013] Szeth tells the group, 'got a pearl?'

[Wed May 15 19:31:58 2013] Snackies tells the group, 'negatorium'

[Wed May 15 19:32:08 2013] Snackies tells the group, 'i just heard he was up - none of our pearl peeps are around'

[Wed May 15 19:36:15 2013] Snackies tells the group, 'farmin blazin gear at all or just doin the cof/epic mq jazz?'

[Wed May 15 19:36:37 2013] You tell your party, 'i just like killing dragons'

[Wed May 15 19:37:14 2013] Snackies tells the group, 'my newb bard is in kc atm - prolly a bit too far from here atm'

[Wed May 15 19:37:40 2013] Szeth tells the group, 'if you want to try to make it'

[Wed May 15 19:37:46 2013] Snackies tells the group, 'aite ill see if i can try - ill camp out here'

[Fael]

The mob was beating on sworen. You had 6 people there. I told you the mob was yours. You guys refused to engage. That is crap excuse. We gave it to you, you had all the time in the world to snare it and kill it.

Dolic

[getsome]

I was refuting the nonsense getsome posted about the fact that they have 20 minutes to try to kill it.


Dolic

I did not post that nonsense. I quoted the Server rules written by a gm as it relates to that camp specifically.

You were pretty cool in tells. I understand the confusion of what you may have experienced. Sworen should not have engaged our mob.

[Godefroi]

Ehrmargerd this dude Dolic is rather bored apparently

[stonez138]

Keep up the good work FE!

[Fael]

We did not engage your mob. Your mob engaged us, because you weren't controlling your mob. Because you didn't have FTE. This shouldn't be difficult to understand.

And then, when we said go for it guys, its yours. You guys didn't take it. It is beating on sworen and the 6 of you just sat there and watched. You had a druid to snare it, a bard to have resists, lvl 60 SK tank, 2 bp clerics?

What where you waiting on? I could tank rage fire on my bard.

Dolic

[Enygma]

I did not post that nonsense. I quoted the Server rules written by a gm as it relates to that camp specifically.

You were pretty cool in tells. I understand the confusion of what you may have experienced. Sworen should not have engaged our mob.

"your mob"

should have been engaged by your party... who was NOT in the lair to lay claim to it... aside from that... we told you guys to take it... you did nothing.

[falkun]

"your mob"

should have been engaged by your party... who was NOT in the lair to lay claim to it... aside from that... we told you guys to take it... you did nothing.

They are under zero obligation to take the mob from you. Its your stupid fault for engaging a mob that did not belong to you. Now if it was outside the 20min, then sure, have at it. And regardless of who RF belonged to, training is illegal and I hope the players responsible are suspended/banned for it.

Sounds like TMO got Sentenza'd.

[Enygma]

They are under zero obligation to take the mob from you. Its your stupid fault for engaging a mob that did not belong to you. Now if it was outside the 20min, then sure, have at it. And regardless of who RF belonged to, training is illegal and I hope the players responsible are suspended/banned for it.

Sounds like TMO got Sentenza'd.

tell me how to distinguish between a non-kos Ragefire and a kos Ragefire WITHOUT conning it... given that the giants were all up and NO ONE was in the lair.

The fact that it was engaged was an accident, the fact that they refused to take the mob took a cognitive decision not to.

[getsome]

I know this. I saw it up. I called sworen. I buffed sworen. We killed magus before they came in.

Dolic

More lies, we were there before it was killed, your rogue agro'd it, and you all attacked our RF interfering with our raid. At this point if you both would apologize, I will consider the matter settled.

Regards,

Getsome (Inglourious Basterds)

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[Wed May 15 19:51:10 2013] Magi Rokyl regains concentration and continues casting.
[Wed May 15 19:51:10 2013] Magi Rokyl tries to hit Lazyeyes, but misses!

[Wed May 15 19:51:57 2013] Magi Rokyl regains concentration and continues casting.
[Wed May 15 19:51:57 2013] Magi Rokyl hits Lazyeyes for 144 points of damage.
[Wed May 15 19:51:57 2013] Magi Rokyl tries to hit Lazyeyes, but misses!

[Wed May 15 19:52:34 2013] Lazyeyes says, 'sorry fellas'
[Wed May 15 19:52:38 2013] Lazyeyes says, 'fte '

[Wed May 15 19:52:40 2013] You say, 'you know pearl was turned in right'

[Wed May 15 19:52:46 2013] Lazyeyes says, 'ya... fte when no one in lair tho'

[Wed May 15 19:52:50 2013] You say, 'lol'
[Wed May 15 19:52:50 2013] Raymor says, 'umm i think pearl turn in wins over fte'
[Wed May 15 19:52:51 2013] Lazyeyes says, 'whoever handed in was not here'
[Wed May 15 19:52:54 2013] Lazyeyes says, 'and turns over to fte'

[Wed May 15 19:52:56 2013] Lazyeyes says, 'nope'
[Wed May 15 19:52:58 2013] Lazyeyes says, 'check rules'

[Enygma]

More lies, we were there before it was killed, your rogue agro'd it, and you all attacked our RF interfering with our raid. At this point if you both would apologize, I will consider the matter settled.

Regards,

Getsome (Inglourious Basterds)

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[Wed May 15 19:51:10 2013] Magi Rokyl regains concentration and continues casting.
[Wed May 15 19:51:10 2013] Magi Rokyl tries to hit Lazyeyes, but misses!

[Wed May 15 19:51:57 2013] Magi Rokyl regains concentration and continues casting.
[Wed May 15 19:51:57 2013] Magi Rokyl hits Lazyeyes for 144 points of damage.
[Wed May 15 19:51:57 2013] Magi Rokyl tries to hit Lazyeyes, but misses!

[Wed May 15 19:52:34 2013] Lazyeyes says, 'sorry fellas'
[Wed May 15 19:52:38 2013] Lazyeyes says, 'fte '

[Wed May 15 19:52:40 2013] You say, 'you know pearl was turned in right'

[Wed May 15 19:52:46 2013] Lazyeyes says, 'ya... fte when no one in lair tho'

[Wed May 15 19:52:50 2013] You say, 'lol'
[Wed May 15 19:52:50 2013] Raymor says, 'umm i think pearl turn in wins over fte'
[Wed May 15 19:52:51 2013] Lazyeyes says, 'whoever handed in was not here'
[Wed May 15 19:52:54 2013] Lazyeyes says, 'and turns over to fte'

[Wed May 15 19:52:56 2013] Lazyeyes says, 'nope'
[Wed May 15 19:52:58 2013] Lazyeyes says, 'check rules'

in actual fact getsome... while you were on hiatus - FE won a GM ruled decision based on this exact same scenario. The person who turned the pearl in was NOT in the lair... and it was ruled that FTE prevailed.

[Fael]

1. According to Getsome's logs, the pearl was turned in at 7:35pm est (a couple minutes after he spoke with snackies).

2. According to sworen's logs we were trained at 8:37 est.

3. 1 hour had elapsed. It was not you're mob when you trained us.

Dolic

[getsome]

so you all knew we turned in the pearl, but you interfered anyways, keep on lying.

[nuglord]

^^
lol @ fte on spawned mob.

[getsome]

1. According to Getsome's logs, the pearl was turned in at 7:35pm est (a couple minutes after he spoke with snackies).

2. According to sworen's logs we were trained at 8:37 est.

3. 1 hour had elapsed. It was not you're mob when you trained us.

Dolic

I do not live in the US on EST. I also do not have the pearl being turned in on the logs I posted.

Keep reaching.

[Fael]

Meh. Magus was still up when trained the giants away and came in i guess.

Dolic

[Fael]

Oops i cant do military time. The hour difference remains the same, unless you contend that you turned in the pearl two minutes before we engaged, after you had already whiped twice, etc etc.


Dolic

[Alarti0001]

I do not live in the US on EST. I also do not have the pearl being turned in on the logs I posted.

Keep reaching.

Spinning and getting away from the subject. Logs mean very little. However those screenshots clearly show Guchi training Sworen and Noobs.

The is the only point that matters. All the other shit is just anecdote.

[Vianna]

tell me how to distinguish between a non-kos Ragefire and a kos Ragefire WITHOUT conning it... given that the giants were all up and NO ONE was in the lair.

The fact that it was engaged was an accident, the fact that they refused to take the mob took a cognitive decision not to.


Again they are not required to touch the mob for 20 minutes. I know you think they have to if they want it. But if you aggroed it early then the aggro is your responsibility and not theirs. Now had my tank been there and we had snare there while we waited and that accidentally happened we would have taken the aggro. But no one is required to to help you out if you took aggro on a mob early that wasn't yours. They have their prep time by the rules of the ragefire spawn. Aggro is your responsibility and not anyone elses if you got aggro on something that isn't yours.

Now of course I can understand being confused and you guys not conning the mob. But you had a bard there who could have controlled the mob until the other group was either A.) ready to engage their spawned mob or B.) Their time limit ran out.

[Enygma]

so you all knew we turned in the pearl, but you interfered anyways, keep on lying.

negative... I did NOT KNOW you turned in the pearl. Snackies was not talking to us about what you had discussed.

[getsome]

My claim is as follows.

We turned in the pearl, you interfered with our Epic mob.

[getsome]

negative... I did NOT KNOW you turned in the pearl. Snackies was not talking to us about what you had discussed.

[Wed May 15 19:52:40 2013] You say, 'you know pearl was turned in right'

[Wed May 15 19:52:46 2013] Lazyeyes says, 'ya... fte when no one in lair tho'

[Fael]

Vianna, we had no means to deal with it once it aggroed us. Sworen is a warrior, i was a cleric. When we said ok guys, its your target. They could have snared it at that point to wait the twenty minutes.....

They had a bard, druid, sk, cleric, cleric, monk. They could have controlled it. We said it was theirs.

Either way this all besides the point. They had two opportunities to kill it. They failed. And then they trained us an hour after the pearl was turned in.

[Enygma]

Again they are not required to touch the mob for 20 minutes. I know you think they have to if they want it. But if you aggroed it early then the aggro is your responsibility and not theirs. Now had my tank been there and we had snare there while we waited and that accidentally happened we would have taken the aggro. But no one is required to to help you out if you took aggro on a mob early that wasn't yours. They have their prep time by the rules of the ragefire spawn. Aggro is your responsibility and not anyone elses if you got aggro on something that isn't yours.

Now of course I can understand being confused and you guys not conning the mob. But you had a bard there who could have controlled the mob until the other group was either A.) ready to engage their spawned mob or B.) Their time limit ran out.

None of this is true.

Ploktor (FE) - druid - has snare.
Fllash (FE) - bard - has snare.
Raymor (FE) - SK - has snare.
Sworen (TMO) - Warrior - no snare.
Noobs (TMO) - Cleric - no snare.
Snackies (TMO) - Monk - no snare.

You say the agro was my responsibility... i dealt with it... got him to flee then camped. As they refused to take ownership of the mob.

And by the time Dragon Ragefire was spawned... I imagine 20 minutes had elapsed from the time of hand in (GM's would have only record of this). So by all accounts ... we had every right to engage it.

[Fael]

Anyone who quotes himself is special for certain.

[getsome]

Vianna, we had no means to deal with it once it aggroed us. Sworen is a warrior, i was a cleric.

More lies.

You both could have walked over to where it spawned and died a noble death.

[Enygma]

[Wed May 15 19:52:40 2013] You say, 'you know pearl was turned in right'

[Wed May 15 19:52:46 2013] Lazyeyes says, 'ya... fte when no one in lair tho'

when I went to do the hand in and it agro'd me, I figured it was ours given that there was no one else in the immediate area... not only did we control YOUR hand in mob... but killed Rokyl and prep'd the area for the engage.

It is evident that you are just spinning now. So I'll let Sirken decide when he returns who deserves the kill/if training will be punished given evidence etc.

Again... FTE ruling was made giving FE the loot in prior decision history. The fact that you're arguing this is means you're arguing against a previous Ragefire that was awarded to your friends.

I will let the masses decide who is in the right. I'm finished presenting the facts. /thread.

[nambar]

TMO cheating as usual

Confirmed after reading this thread

[Alarti0001]

More lies.

You both could have walked over to where it spawned and died a noble death.

Is Naggy or Ragefire allowed to be pulled out of his Lair?

[Fael]

Haha, thats right. That was the only alternative option available seeing as you refused to do anything to help control the mob.


Dolic

[Enygma]

Is Naggy or Ragefire allowed to be pulled out of his Lair?

previous history dictates that this is against the rules.

[getsome]

None of this is true.

.
Noobs (TMO) - Cleric - no snare.

You say the agro was my responsibility... i dealt with it... got him to flee then camped. As they refused to take ownership of the mob.

And by the time Dragon Ragefire was spawned... I imagine 20 minutes had elapsed from the time of hand in (GM's would have only record of this). So by all accounts ... we had every right to engage it.

L2Play

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[kotton05]

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this ones for you skippy

[hatelore]

^^
lol @ fte on spawned mob.


After the 20 min rule, fte is completely legit. Of course its even more legit to work things out like adults in a 14 year old emulated copy of a game that was cool back in the day. But this is p1999 we are talking about here.

[Tiggles]

FE is such a shitty guild.

[kotton05]

Pictures of event: http://imgur.com/a/iKfF5
Logs of event: pastebin.com/2apZmhLR
FE involvement: Goodies, Imba, Unbrella, Sveth, Ploktor, Fllash, Raymore, Getsome, etc.

Synopsis:

I log in to find rage fire alone in lair. I call sworen, he logs on, we buff, we move to turn in.... to our surprise Rage Fire attacked us! Forceful Entry decided to pull him to the bottom of the zone and do the turn in there, with fire giants up. This of course is fine; but it comes with the risk that someone may FTE him before they actually have someone in the lair to do the encounter. They of course did not.

We engage knowing nothing about FE's turn in. Five minutes later they come in crying foul, slinging curse words, etc, etc. "Way to represent you're guild, qq, qq, tears galore." Even though we had FTE, even though they don't get credit for turning in a pearl when they aren't even in the lair to engage (because we would have beat them to it if they had done it right), we decide to be nice, and let them have it.

I log; but unfortunately for them Ploktor is such a special player (and not in a good sense) that he brings in a massive train of LDC to train his officers. Such skill. They of course die. We log back in, start rezzing, get ready to engage, and Imba and Raymore come flying in to get FTE with a naked getsome.

So I log again, thinking props to them, that is a clutch recovery on their part, we lost, what ever. But again, they fail. Imba gets feared into giants. They all die.

We then log in, engage with no FE in zone. Five minutes later, Unbrella logs on his monk (who has been banned before for training trak), comes in and drops an entire train specifically on Noobs.

After asking some of their players how they can think themselves justified to act in such ways; and their response was that the train was caused by lazyeyes getting feared while also Imba was feared. This absolutely did not happen. Lazy died in the lair to the AE. They will not have proof of it. Snackies was in lair fd and watched the whole thing go down. Its simply the only thing they can come up with to tell themselves that its not their fault. They really aren't that bad.

Anyways, i normally don't rnf. But I also haven't ever been totally fucked by other people to this extent. When they ninja loot during raids its not quite as personal. Or if both sides have accidental trains of trakanon / fear, etc. That is one thing. I don't hold FE players responsible for stuff that happens on raids. Shit happens, not all of it is intentional. But what happened yesterday was intentional. It was done by an ex-officer, for the benefit and furtherance of the aim of their officers (Goodies, Sveth (sloan i guess), Imba (shinko), etc, etc.

This free for all bs has to stop. This isn't VP. It isn't even fear or trak.

Dolic
60 Bard

why not team up? its such a fucking easy mob... ragefire tears soothe my aching wisdom teeth right now!!!!1!!111

Dolic you should of kited him! ;)

[Vianna]

None of this is true.

Ploktor (FE) - druid - has snare.
Fllash (FE) - bard - has snare.
Raymor (FE) - SK - has snare.
Sworen (TMO) - Warrior - no snare.
Noobs (TMO) - Cleric - no snare.
Snackies (TMO) - Monk - no snare.

You say the agro was my responsibility... i dealt with it... got him to flee then camped. As they refused to take ownership of the mob.

And by the time Dragon Ragefire was spawned... I imagine 20 minutes had elapsed from the time of hand in (GM's would have only record of this). So by all accounts ... we had every right to engage it.

You got a KOS mob to flee....and then camped ? You sure that didn't start the trains ?

[Vianna]

See where the confusion is here. Your aggro is your responsibility you made a mob flee.... Then left it alone ? That is worse.

[getsome]

You got a KOS mob to flee....and then camped ? You sure that didn't start the trains ?

You are correct that is what agro'd the LDCs.

It was a bit of a clusterfuck after 2 people decided to disregard posted server rules to interfere with our epic mob.

Kotten - we did team up. but two people dolic and sworen did their own thing.

[Splorf22]

U attempted and wiped.... learn the rules.

It says nothing about that in the rules.

[kotton05]

tears over RAGEfire mwahha

Seriously you wanna contest a ragefire that's up and about about to be engaged.... hmmmm

[kotton05]

oh I know, I was referring to the ones who didn't wanna just team up.

[Fael]

The crazy thing is, I worked it out with getsome. I told getsome. It yours, go for it.

I then camped noobs thinking they would take over and finish it off. I camped noobs and went back to my ae group that I was in.

It was at that point that it was, 7 FE, with multiple snare classes, and sworen in the game. They, like the children they are, decided not to help sworen. So sworen kept fighting the mob got it to flee so he himself could camp out.

Dolic

[Recycled Children]

It's funny that TMO is the "premiere raid guild" [sic] on P99 but you guys do a lot of bitching about trains and stealing mobs. You think you'd be above that when you're at the top. Guess not.

[getsome]

So many options.

OT hammer the warrior and cleric gate,

Both use gate pots or WC hats.

Heal warrior while he does not attack until mob regens to full, then root and camp out.

Die.

Your fuck ups were not our responsibility.

[Vianna]

Triggered spawns:
Whoever hands their items into the ragefire human has triggered the encounter and their guild/raid force would receive the right to go first in that instance.

This rule would apply as well:
Quote:
Q: What rules pertain to raid mobs that are triggered spawns?
A: If a raid mob is triggered to spawn by killing a single mob before it (Example: Statue -> Idol -> Avatar of War), the guild that spawned the mob has 20 minutes to engage it. The mob is open to any other guild on a first to engage basis once the first guild has either wiped or not engaged within the time limit.
The hand in of the quest item triggers the initial mob and his death triggers the dragon. Both mobs belong to that force for 1 attempt or 20 minutes.

All other server rules STILL apply. Ninja looting is not tolerated, neither is training each other etc. Use common sense and don't be a jerk. Strive for the least GM involvement possible and try to work things out on your own. Remember: The burden of proof for violation of rules is on YOU. Don't petition with no proof of being trained and demand that the staff "check the logs".

[Godefroi]

Damn I missed Getsome face stomping TMOs

Good stuff to read

[Alarti0001]

Triggered spawns:
Whoever hands their items into the ragefire human has triggered the encounter and their guild/raid force would receive the right to go first in that instance.

This rule would apply as well:
Quote:
Q: What rules pertain to raid mobs that are triggered spawns?
A: If a raid mob is triggered to spawn by killing a single mob before it (Example: Statue -> Idol -> Avatar of War), the guild that spawned the mob has 20 minutes to engage it. The mob is open to any other guild on a first to engage basis once the first guild has either wiped or not engaged within the time limit.
The hand in of the quest item triggers the initial mob and his death triggers the dragon.

All other server rules STILL apply. Ninja looting is not tolerated, neither is training each other etc. Use common sense and don't be a jerk. Strive for the least GM involvement possible and try to work things out on your own. Remember: The burden of proof for violation of rules is on YOU. Don't petition with no proof of being trained and demand that the staff "check the logs".

Both mobs belong to that force for 1 attempt or 20 minutes

[Splorf22]

Both mobs belong to that force for 1 attempt or 20 minutes

Really the only question here is did 20 minutes elapse between Getsome's group handing in the pearl and Sworen's first engage. If so, then Raymor and Guchi should get a vacation. If not, Sworen and Noobs should get a vacation. This is an easy enough fact to verify; just post some logs.

[Kingore]

Really the only question here is did 20 minutes elapse between Getsome's group handing in the pearl and Sworen's first engage. If so, then Raymor and Guchi should get a vacation. If not, Sworen and Noobs should get a vacation. This is an easy enough fact to verify; just post some logs.

Guchi should get a vacation regardless. Sworen and Noobs did not kill the mob, should not get a vacation. Loot should be destroyed because if you can't work it out then nobody gets it.

[Alarti0001]

Really the only question here is did 20 minutes elapse between Getsome's group handing in the pearl and Sworen's first engage. If so, then Raymor and Guchi should get a vacation. If not, Sworen and Noobs should get a vacation. This is an easy enough fact to verify; just post some logs.

This is incorrect as Sworen logged into aggro. They died. Then FE members attempted without harrassment and died. 1 engage 1 wipe. Guchi then intentionally trained. These facts are all pertinent.

[Alarti0001]

Guchi should get a vacation regardless. Sworen and Noobs did not kill the mob, should not get a vacation. Loot should be destroyed because if you can't work it out then nobody gets it.

Loot show be returned to a wrong problem. You can't negotiate with a rock. If loot was destroyed everytime FE trained. That just rewards FE who is currently getting next to nothing in loot. This is not a fair punishment.

[Fael]

And, why should we get a vacation Loraen? For walking into the lair and getting aggroed by a mob? I didn't know that was a bannable offense.

Dolic

[getsome]

Really the only question here is did 20 minutes elapse between Getsome's group handing in the pearl and Sworen's first engage. If so, then Raymor and Guchi should get a vacation. If not, Sworen and Noobs should get a vacation. This is an easy enough fact to verify; just post some logs.

20 minutes did not elapse.

I am not interested in Sworen and Noobs getting a vacation. I think Noobs is owned by Froovy and he and I go way back. I also got a nice pic of sworen's bones for the guild hall.

I do not fault them for getting agro. Shit happens.

My only qualm was he started a post in RnF that did not accurately portray the events.

[Alarti0001]

Loot show be returned to a wrong problem. You can't negotiate with a rock. If loot was destroyed everytime FE trained. That just rewards FE who is currently getting next to nothing in loot. This is not a fair punishment.

wrong persons~

[Alarti0001]

wrong persons~

ed! fuck phones!

[getsome]

This is incorrect as Sworen logged into aggro. They died. Then FE members attempted without harrassment and died. 1 engage 1 wipe. Guchi then intentionally trained. These facts are all pertinent.

Alarti you should sit this one out. Sworen already stated he made the mob flee, we killed a fleeing mob somewhere near Bat 2. Then even after all this, he ganked our dragon. Then a train of LDCs comes to camp and kills lots of people because they let a mob that was not theirs flee camp. After telling us RF was ours he tried to gank it again. No Shame for cheaters.

exactly... got agro... they didn't do anything to help kill the human ragefire... then he flee'd out of lair... they killed it... I engaged Dragon Ragefire - they trained ldc's on me and themselves... I die... log on lazyeyes and get feared with 200+ MR... while giants / ldc's are training around and get owned during fear... they then fight the dragon uncontested no other mobs in area and then wipe somehow... after we conceided they had won given their train tactics etc...

[Fael]

Not accurate.... So you are disputing the following facts.

1. I logged into to an empty lair, with no people fire giants up.
2. We went to turn in the pearl and got attacked.
3. Your crew comes in 5 minutes later, and after talking it out, we give it to you.
4. I log. And your group takes no action to control the mob you spawned.
5. You whipe.
6. You whipe again.
7. I log back in and we engage, after an hour or more had gone by.
8. You train us with 10 giants.

What part of that is wrong or inaccurate?


Dolic

[getsome]

I don't care what guild tag Sworen and Dolic have. They were wrong and just need to man up and apologize for interfering with our Epic mob.

[Fael]

Simple question getsome. Because i was doing AE chardok when all this was going down.

Why did your group not snare the mob when it was on Sworen and you had 7 ppl in lair?

I heard everything over vent so i wasnt there. But i never understood, when i said it was yours, why did you guys not snare it and take it over?

Dolic

[Versus]

Regardless of all this KoS mob attacked me stuff....Guchi (FE Officer Alt, previously suspended for training) BLATANTLY trained people.

WTF are we debating semantics about anything else?

[Alarti0001]

Alarti you should sit this one out. Sworen already stated he made the mob flee, we killed a fleeing mob somewhere near Bat 2. Then even after all this, he ganked our dragon. Then a train of LDCs comes to camp and kills lots of people because they let a mob that was not theirs flee camp. After telling us RF was ours he tried to gank it again. No Shame for cheaters.

That doesn't mean they made it flee lol. Low hp aggro perhaps? You should manup and admit when you fucked up.. screenshots got ya here bud.

[Alarti0001]

Regardless of all this KoS mob attacked me stuff....Guchi (FE Officer Alt, previously suspended for training) BLATANTLY trained people.

WTF are we debating semantics about anything else?

People just spinning. Basic facts here. FE wiped to their engage... then trained Sworen and crew. Nuff said.

[getsome]

I was not in the lair when you and I worked it out and you agreed we could have the mob.

I personally wanted the mob to reset. So we could have a clean engage.

But it was killed anyways. Then sworen jumped on the dragon, at that point, I figured you were just bull shitting me about letting us have it.

[getsome]

That doesn't mean they made it flee lol. Low hp aggro perhaps? You should manup and admit when you fucked up.. screenshots got ya here bud.

Mobs sometimes flee when they are low on health.

L2Play

[Bubbles]

Not accurate.... So you are disputing the following facts.

1. I logged into to an empty lair, with no people fire giants up.
2. We went to turn in the pearl and got attacked.
3. Your crew comes in 5 minutes later, and after talking it out, we give it to you.
4. I log. And your group takes no action to control the mob you spawned.
5. You whipe.
6. You whipe again.
7. I log back in and we engage, after an hour or more had gone by.
8. You train us with 10 giants.

What part of that is wrong or inaccurate?


Dolic

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[getsome]

Alarti was not there.

Everyone who was there (the disagreeing parties) agreed the angry vendor flee'd when his hps got low.

Alarti tries to make shit up.

[Fael]

Meh. I logged out of the lair and went back to ae chardok, leaving only sworen in the lair.

I don't think a lvl 60 warrior can solo Rage Fire, not even sworen. And from what i heard in vent, he fought it with yall for a minute or something and then Ploktor brought in all the adds.

Dolic

[getsome]

I was down on the ledge when all that occurred. I thought after the dragon popped, I would have a few minutes to make my way back up.

[Splorf22]

And, why should we get a vacation Loraen? For walking into the lair and getting aggroed by a mob? I didn't know that was a bannable offense.

Dolic

I agree. Causing mob to flee halfway across the zone is another matter.

Don't act like the victim here; you had plenty of options to handle the situation that did not involve Ragefire running through the zone. Sworen would have had more than enough time to OT hammer out. Or if he didn't want to leave the lair he could have just died and gotten a rez (and certainly lasted long enough for you to camp out).

I think you're a basically cool guy but here you just come off as rule laywering with your 'oh it attacked us, therefore server rules don't apply' thing.

[Fael]

How about this for an option. The group of 7 ppl with several snaring classes engage and kill the mob or snare and wait the 20 minutes, when we said ok, they could have it.

Sworen should not be forced to hammer or die. There is no reason they couldnt have done that when we said it was theirs.

It is still beyond me why they didn't help sworen when i camped and said its all theirs.

Dolic

[Fael]

The funny thing about all this rule talk, is that Forceful Entry people were awarded rage fire by a GM adjudication, when the person logged in, turned in the pearl, /q, and logged into his alt warrior. In the time between him /q and logging in, a group of FE got FTE.

So no, we broke no rules at all as far as im concerned. Instead I tried to take the high road by letting getsome and co have the first shot at it. But they took the low road by not helping sworen who had the aggro at that point.


Dolic

[getsome]

Sworen should not be forced to hammer or die. There is no reason they couldnt have done that when we said it was theirs.

It is still beyond me why they didn't help sworen when i camped and said its all theirs.

Dolic

This made me lol. Are you relatively new on the server?

[Vianna]

Both mobs belong to that force for 1 attempt or 20 minutes

Exactly Human Form is 1 engage in 20 minutes and then Dragon Form is 1 engage within 20 minutes. You have a total of 40 minutes for both mobs. Now most the time you can kill both in under 10. But this is a good rule as it allows clerics to camp their epic mob...Spawn it and get the help they need.

[Fael]

Played pre kunark, then came back last May, about a year ago on the dot.

But see thats exactly it, we said you could have the mob, but your group was so spitefully they weren't even going to intervene to control it, they wanted to watch sworen die. I think, as you said, you took a picture of his corpse.

Dolic

[TWDL_Prexus]

TLDR; FE believes it is OK to train someone because they are killing a target that they had already wiped on? Sounds just like FE.. lol

If you feel someone takes your spawned mob, petition. Any intentional trainers need vacations period.

[Splorf22]

[QUOTE=Fael;960080]Sworen should not be forced to hammer or die. QUOTE]

We live in the era of 96% clicky rez. Losing like 1% xp and waiting a few minutes to regen off rez effects is not exactly the end of the world.

[Mantel]

I swear Alarti is not all there..that kid is a retard.

[Autotune]

Wiped twice to ragefire... nothing else in this thread matters.


Please disband them for wiping to ragefire, the mob that get's duo/trio'd on a regular basis.

[stonez138]

I saw TMO wipe to Maestro the other night....Was over 2 groups there and according to your Trolls its not even a raid mob

[Handull]

Pictures of event: http://imgur.com/a/iKfF5
Logs of event: pastebin.com/2apZmhLR
FE involvement: Goodies, Imba, Unbrella, Sveth, Ploktor, Fllash, Raymore, Getsome, etc.

Synopsis:

I log in to find rage fire alone in lair. I call sworen, he logs on, we buff, we move to turn in.... to our surprise Rage Fire attacked us! Forceful Entry decided to pull him to the bottom of the zone and do the turn in there, with fire giants up. This of course is fine; but it comes with the risk that someone may FTE him before they actually have someone in the lair to do the encounter. They of course did not.

We engage knowing nothing about FE's turn in. Five minutes later they come in crying foul, slinging curse words, etc, etc. "Way to represent you're guild, qq, qq, tears galore." Even though we had FTE, even though they don't get credit for turning in a pearl when they aren't even in the lair to engage (because we would have beat them to it if they had done it right), we decide to be nice, and let them have it.

I log; but unfortunately for them Ploktor is such a special player (and not in a good sense) that he brings in a massive train of LDC to train his officers. Such skill. They of course die. We log back in, start rezzing, get ready to engage, and Imba and Raymore come flying in to get FTE with a naked getsome.

So I log again, thinking props to them, that is a clutch recovery on their part, we lost, what ever. But again, they fail. Imba gets feared into giants. They all die.

We then log in, engage with no FE in zone. Five minutes later, Unbrella logs on his monk (who has been banned before for training trak), comes in and drops an entire train specifically on Noobs.

After asking some of their players how they can think themselves justified to act in such ways; and their response was that the train was caused by lazyeyes getting feared while also Imba was feared. This absolutely did not happen. Lazy died in the lair to the AE. They will not have proof of it. Snackies was in lair fd and watched the whole thing go down. Its simply the only thing they can come up with to tell themselves that its not their fault. They really aren't that bad.

Anyways, i normally don't rnf. But I also haven't ever been totally fucked by other people to this extent. When they ninja loot during raids its not quite as personal. Or if both sides have accidental trains of trakanon / fear, etc. That is one thing. I don't hold FE players responsible for stuff that happens on raids. Shit happens, not all of it is intentional. But what happened yesterday was intentional. It was done by an ex-officer, for the benefit and furtherance of the aim of their officers (Goodies, Sveth (sloan i guess), Imba (shinko), etc, etc.

This free for all bs has to stop. This isn't VP. It isn't even fear or trak.

Dolic
60 Bard


We were on the bridge outside the lair when you ran in and ragefire agro'd a TMO rogue. A TMO monk (who was actually joining FE for the kill) then tanked it and the rogue logged out. We were fine to just let Ragefire attack us while we buffed up, but the person on the rogue logged on his warrior and started to kill ragefire. When ragefire started to run, the warrior said good luck and logged out.

The rules about spawning ragefire are highly debated, but the trend is you get to agro him once within 20 minutes of spawn. Not wanting to have some bullshit rule lawyering pulled on us, I stayed in game with agro on ragefire, who was slowly being killed by a monk. A TMO warrior brought a summoning mob to low hp flee and logged out in order to be a dick, causing the first train.

Then Imba and Getsome started to Duo ragefire, which is easy, even with a naked cleric. However at the start of the fight a TMO rogue also felt the need to engage someone else's raid mob, a mob you claim you were letting us have. This rogue was feared and I watched him run out of the lair and out the door. How the train came back to the lair is something I don't think even the GMs will be able to determine.

Then TMO engaged ragefire, while FE started to CR back to the lair. I didn't see the train that then killed TMO. Then FE logged in and killed him.

Make sure to tell the whole story when you are going to bitch about someone else 'dicking you over'. You had a guildie who was in SolB to kill ragefire with TMO and he was in your vent when you agro'd the human form. You knew it wasn't your turn in, and claim you offered to give us a shot at the dragon, while at the same time you continued to dps the human form with zero intent of actually killing him.

Have fun with this thread I guess.

[Autotune]

I saw TMO wipe to Maestro the other night....Was over 2 groups there and according to your Trolls its not even a raid mob

To maestro or to a hate train?

Obviously a train and obviously done by FE... cause that's what you guys do... train.

[feanan]

TMO full of greedy dicks, news at 11!

I mean, whats new to see here?

[quido]

FE confirmed wannabe TMOers! Copycat 'artists'

[bizzum]

Zagum original Ragefire asshole, stop stealing my glory you fucks.

[Autotune]

Zagum original Ragefire asshole, stop stealing my glory you fucks.

Nah bro, I was asshole'n Ragefire before you were even known about.

[bizzum]

Nah bro, I was asshole'n Ragefire before you were even known about.

:rolleyes:

[radditsu]

Turds in a gas station bathroom.

[Razdeline]

Pretty sure its morally and ethically acceptable to train TMO

[Razdeline]

It's the responsible and prudent thing to do

[Shinko]

That was not a fun afternoon.

I just wanted to kill a dragon but instead FD'd and listened to rage from my friends on both sides :(

I went for a walk with my good friend Green Flash West Coast IPA and we talked about it afterwards.

don't u live in Vancouver?

[Shinko]

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[Shinko]

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[Shinko]

how to ragefire

[Hurley]

I think the only people that believe the TMO spin at this point is TMO.

[Alarti0001]

I think the only people that believe the FE spin at this point is FE.

[Hurley]

it is mostly just Alarti that dude is fucking retarded

[Alarti0001]

I quote Relapse to reinforce my points. Where did I go wrong?

[Hurley]

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what

[Hurley]

who is that?

[Fael]

We were on the bridge outside the lair when you ran in and ragefire agro'd a TMO rogue. A TMO monk (who was actually joining FE for the kill) then tanked it and the rogue logged out. We were fine to just let Ragefire attack us while we buffed up, but the person on the rogue logged on his warrior and started to kill ragefire. When ragefire started to run, the warrior said good luck and logged out.

The rules about spawning ragefire are highly debated, but the trend is you get to agro him once within 20 minutes of spawn. Not wanting to have some bullshit rule lawyering pulled on us, I stayed in game with agro on ragefire, who was slowly being killed by a monk. A TMO warrior brought a summoning mob to low hp flee and logged out in order to be a dick, causing the first train.

To add perspective, once sworen logged back in and started fighting, me and him were discussing the situation in vent. He felt that the "highly debated" rage fire rulings, made it our mob because we had FTE and no one was in lair. I was discussing things with Getsome, and sworen aggred to give it up and let you have it. I told getsome, ok its yours; but then you guys didn't take over. Even though i told you to in tells, and in say, that is yours, good luck. Sworen couldn't do anything at that point so he remained attacking it until it fled. He then camped and said good luck.

The thing, again, that I don't understand is why you guys didn't snare it, or take the aggro from Sworen to begin with. And mobs don't summon you unless you engaged it. So, if you had engaged it, then why the heck would you not snare it? (I had already logged at that point.)

Dolic

[doraf]

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OMG MC Chris! I love you man! :D

[Snackies]

don't u live in Vancouver?

Burnaby! The liquor store/bar across from Burnaby Mountain golf course is big on selling micro-brews from around North America. They introduced me to that amazing brew.

[Shinko]

lets like go drinking and become BFF's

[Shinko]

+ gay sex?

[Fllash]

What?

[Skywarp]

Alarti = Bill O'Reilly

THE SPIN MASTER

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[Handull]

To add perspective, once sworen logged back in and started fighting, me and him were discussing the situation in vent. He felt that the "highly debated" rage fire rulings, made it our mob because we had FTE and no one was in lair. I was discussing things with Getsome, and sworen aggred to give it up and let you have it. I told getsome, ok its yours; but then you guys didn't take over. Even though i told you to in tells, and in say, that is yours, good luck. Sworen couldn't do anything at that point so he remained attacking it until it fled. He then camped and said good luck.

The thing, again, that I don't understand is why you guys didn't snare it, or take the aggro from Sworen to begin with. And mobs don't summon you unless you engaged it. So, if you had engaged it, then why the heck would you not snare it? (I had already logged at that point.)

Dolic

I didn't see him say anything in say about giving it up, but he could have just turn auto attack off. The only thing in my logs that is anything close to you saying that you were backing off is:
[Wed May 15 18:57:14 2013] Noobs says, 'u ugys should be killing this'
[Wed May 15 18:58:27 2013] Noobs says, 'good luck'
Not the clearest way to say "you can have it, we concede". By continuing to dps the mob it gave the impression that he was not giving up. I meleed the mob for one hit because there have been gm rulings along the lines of: it was your mob, but your guild did zero damage to the mob and had only one person on the hate list, so clearly you had no intention of killing it, so we give the loot to the other guild. I was then going to camp to clear agro, but was advised not to since it was my turn in and logging out might open the mob up to fte. After waiting a long, long time, and not getting trained by LDCs I assumed it was fine, but then of course they came in right after RF spawned.

In the end both sides really just needed to communicate better and I wish we had. Being accused of training very early on before I had agro'd a single mob, hearing that the TMO with us was being yelled at in vent, and seeing sworen continue to dps the mob gave the impression that you had no intention of discussing the issue.

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[Tasslehofp99]

Why is this even being discussed? what a pointless post!


Sworen you holding on tight to that title for dumbest player on p99, ever since bouncerr was banned.

[quido]

Bashyr by far

[Alarti0001]

Bashyr by far

[Phats]

Wrong on all counts. Lenfur? Carries that flag.

[kotton05]

bashyr isn't dumb!!! he's just got to much energy

[quido]

wrong

[Tasslehofp99]

Wrong on all counts. Lenfur? Carries that flag.

Lenfer* I think? lol maybe, but Xosire and bouncerr were the reigning champs of stupidity. Nowadays Sworen seems to be the closest to them though, from what I've seen posted/said in game.

Although -- whoever plays dravingar is a close call too.