Thank you "Casual Scum"

[AenarieFenninRo]

You have been able to accomplish something that nobody else has to date.

You have made the "Hardcore" raiders like TMO and FE/IB actually co-exist with each other, and actually present a united front against an opposing force. Instead of every man (guild) for themselves, its now "raiders" vs the "CARE BEAR GIVE US SOMETHING FOR NOTHING SOCIALISTIC ROTATION BASED BULLSHIT PLAYERS"... for that, I have to say thanks!

All the raid guilds have ever done... Track, Prepare, Attack. Anyone should be able to compete in that environment. You may not always win, but everyone has the same chance to compete.

Instead, we're now faced with a 2 tier raid system that seems likely to be the best implementation to make everyone "happy".

You're the same type of parents and kids that required that every child gets a participation trophy, because hey... EVERYONE should get a trophy. The Olympics are coming up, and if Russia doesn't win an event, do you think they're going to threaten to extinguish the torch until they get their medal for participation?

Track, Prepare, Attack... It's what gamers do.
whine, bitch, complain... It's what participants do.

Tier 1 = TPA
Tier 2 = WBC

[Confit]

Lol

[runlvlzero]

I'm glad your impressed with the care bears. It's like a shadow of the modern American system but in a video game.

Take heed.

[Alorae]

hardcore = willing to wake up to kill dargons at 4 a.m.
casual = not willing to wake up to kill dargons at 4 a.m.

Get over yourself. You aren't special or skilled because you and run in and autoattack something to death.

[YendorLootmonkey]

All the raid guilds have ever done... Log Out Alt Armies, Track, Prepare, Train, DA Stall, Attack, Rules Lawyer, Get Raid Suspended. Anyone with no respect for any other players on the server should be able to compete in that environment.


fixed it for ya

[runlvlzero]

hardcore = willing to wake up to kill dargons at 4 a.m.
casual = not willing to wake up to kill dargons at 4 a.m.

Get over yourself. You aren't special or skilled because you and run in and autoattack something to death.

But getting up at 4am to do something requires dedication, something casual people don't have.

The hardcore deserve something for their effort/dedication.

[YendorLootmonkey]

But getting up at 4am to do something requires insanity and/or unemployment checks, something casual people don't have.

The hardcore deserve something for their effort/dedication.

fixed that for ya too ;)

Join a Tier 2 guild if you don't want to get up at 4am to kill something, I guess? No one is forcing you to take a video game that seriously.


Oh wait... I get it... the very premise that a guild might be able to get pixels without having to get up at 4am makes all the times you chose to do that suddenly makes that seem silly.

[runlvlzero]

They sure do. A good beating, and a month at a boot camp fitness camp. Followed by a mandatory job.

If what you have is a compromise that works, and is fair for the people who fought for it. Then there's not much room for bitching and complaining from either side.

[Pookieson]

You have been able to accomplish something that nobody else has to date.

You have made the "Hardcore" raiders like TMO and FE/IB actually co-exist with each other, and actually present a united front against an opposing force. Instead of every man (guild) for themselves, its now "raiders" vs the "CARE BEAR GIVE US SOMETHING FOR NOTHING SOCIALISTIC ROTATION BASED BULLSHIT PLAYERS"... for that, I have to say thanks!

All the raid guilds have ever done... Track, Prepare, Attack. Anyone should be able to compete in that environment. You may not always win, but everyone has the same chance to compete.

Instead, we're now faced with a 2 tier raid system that seems likely to be the best implementation to make everyone "happy".

You're the same type of parents and kids that required that every child gets a participation trophy, because hey... EVERYONE should get a trophy. The Olympics are coming up, and if Russia doesn't win an event, do you think they're going to threaten to extinguish the torch until they get their medal for participation?

Track, Prepare, Attack... It's what gamers do.
whine, bitch, complain... It's what participants do.

Tier 1 = TPA
Tier 2 = WBC

I'm casual on here and I don't really participate in the forum questing or, "whine, bitch, complain" as you call it. Sounds to me like you take everquest too seriously man, you need a life asap

[Exmo]

fixed it for ya

Yendor, you're my favorite Ranger.

[Fountree]

fixed that for ya too ;)

Join a Tier 2 guild if you don't want to get up at 4am to kill something, I guess? No one is forcing you to take a video game that seriously.


Oh wait... I get it... the very premise that a guild might be able to get pixels without having to get up at 4am makes all the times you chose to do that suddenly makes that seem silly.

Hey guys, let me just spew my opinion as fact some more and maybe you'll listen to me.

[Fountree]

Was talking about this "fix":

But getting up at 4am to do something requires insanity and/or unemployment checks, something casual people don't have.

The hardcore deserve something for their effort/dedication.

[falkun]

"No one is forcing you to take a video game that seriously." - Fact
"Join a tier2 guild if you don't want to get up at 4am to kill something." - Fact (assuming Rogean's or Divinity plan go into effect)
"The very premise that a guild might be able to get pixels without having to get up at 4am makes all the times you chose to do that suddenly seem silly." - Opinion

IDK, I agree with Yendor's facts and I also agree with his opinion.

[feanan]

It's almost like none of you realize this is a server of a 14 year old game that got beat...14 years ago.

You seem to have also forgotten the purpose of this server, as put forth by the GM's.
It's so we ALL can re experience the game we love.

GM's seem to finally have come around, and are taking actions. Good for them.

[hatelore]

Op please go to www.p1999.com homepage and re-read what Rogean said. I don't think it has set in just right for you. Your guild got beat down like a little bitch for monopolizing content for two years to further your guilds greed. qq more pls.

[hatelore]

Www.project1999.com

[Alarti0001]

hardcore = willing to wake up to kill dargons at 4 a.m.
casual = not willing to wake up to kill dargons at 4 a.m.

Get over yourself. You aren't special or skilled because you and run in and autoattack something to death.

Why dont the casuals come to the primetime raids then.... oh ya.. your point has no merit.

[Ungriim]

3 guilds showed up for CT primetime lastnight brah

[Frogie305]

3 guilds showed up for CT primetime lastnight brah

Did you all do a circle jerk? and see who had the first shot at it? or was it who ever had 10+ people in the zone first did you give them 20hours to clear all of fear and attempt ct/draco? Or did you get Steam rolled like always ?

http://whokilledit.com/ <<<<<< Looks like you got rolled.

[Alarti0001]

hardcore = willing to wake up to kill dargons at 4 a.m.
casual = not willing to wake up to kill dargons at 4 a.m.

Get over yourself. You aren't special or skilled because you and run in and autoattack something to death.

Why dont the casuals come to the primetime raids then.... oh ya.. your point has no merit.

3 guilds showed up for CT primetime lastnight brah

SO there were 3 hardcore guilds then?

[Ungriim]

Did you all do a circle jerk? and see who had the first shot at it? or was it who ever had 10+ people in the zone first did you give them 20hours to clear all of fear and attempt ct/draco? Or did you get Steam rolled like always ?

http://whokilledit.com/ <<<<<< Looks like you got rolled.

What the fuck are you talking about?

[Alarti0001]

Oh wait....... there is a rotation on ct right now.. casuals

[Ungriim]

Lol so much TMO rage.

[Messianic]

Friggin dargons

[tankh]

We sick an' tired of-a your ism-skism game -
Dyin' 'n' goin' to heaven in-a Jesus' name, lord.
We know when we understand:
Almighty god is a living man.
You can fool some people sometimes,
But you can't fool all the people all the time.

[Sirken]

i think its cute that so many people think this change is happening because GuildA or GuildB gets too many kills.

This is only happening because every single raid for the last month or two has ended with PetitionQuest, and the CSR team has actual players that need actual help to deal with.

if it wasn't for the petition quest, and if these folks would have been able not train and/or to respect other people's FTE, we wouldnt even be having these discussions.

[Ele]

i think its cute that so many people think this change is happening because GuildA or GuildB gets too many kills.

This is only happening because every single raid for the last month or two has ended with PetitionQuest, and the CSR team has actual players that need actual help to deal with.

if it wasn't for the petition quest, and if these folks would have been able not train and/or to respect other people's FTE, we wouldnt even be having these discussions.

so you're saying people been disrespect'n each other?

[williestargell]

There were three or more guilds at CT last night. And they all peacefully co-existed.

IB agreed to give 20 mins to whoever for an attempt. Very nice of them

BDA offered to assist Taken with no thoughts of loot.

IB ended up getting the kill anyway after Taken wiped, but cordially assisted in rezzing.

I'm very happy with the level of cooperation that has been present lately.

[Shinko]

Track, Prepare, Attack... It's what gamers do.
whine, bitch, complain... It's what participants do.

Tier 1 = TPA
Tier 2 = WBC

[Heebo]

i think its cute that so many people think this change is happening because GuildA or GuildB gets too many kills.

This is only happening because every single raid for the last month or two has ended with PetitionQuest, and the CSR team has actual players that need actual help to deal with.

if it wasn't for the petition quest, and if these folks would have been able not train and/or to respect other people's FTE, we wouldnt even be having these discussions.

Then why require a proposal that MUST be agreed upon by all guilds? Why not just force TMO & FE/IB (I assume the biggest culprits behind the recent petitionquest) to work out an agreement that fosters a culture of respect and interguild arbitration and keep everything else as it was? It seems to me like rogean & co. are more interested in a rotation based carebear land than just solving the petition wars.

[Alarti0001]

i think its cute that so many people think this change is happening because GuildA or GuildB gets too many kills.

This is only happening because every single raid for the last month or two has ended with PetitionQuest, and the CSR team has actual players that need actual help to deal with.

if it wasn't for the petition quest, and if these folks would have been able not train and/or to respect other people's FTE, we wouldnt even be having these discussions.

SO all we need to do to resolve this is mediate our own disputes? K done.

[Barkingturtle]

SO all we need to do to resolve this is mediate our own disputes? K done.

Too late.

[Pint]

SO all we need to do to resolve this is mediate our own disputes? K done.

Yea you guys are capable of this... Yea right

[Aaron]

There were three or more guilds at CT last night. And they all peacefully co-existed.

This didn't happen.

[Ele]

This didn't happen.

dish

[mgellan]

But getting up at 4am to do something requires dedication, something casual people don't have.

The hardcore deserve something for their effort/dedication.

Therapy?

Getting up at 4AM to kill something in 30 seconds to deny it to someone else is probably diagnosable.

Regards.
Mg

[Racun]

Tier 1 = TPA (Train, Poopsock, Abuse)

[Aaron]

dish

Wasn't there personally and I don't wanna get into the forumquest back and forth that so many here love -- just wanted to point out it's not all flowers and parties atm...at least according to many in my guild upset about being trained and shit on last night.

[Reguiy]

You have been able to accomplish something that nobody else has to date.

You have made the "Hardcore" raiders like TMO and FE/IB actually co-exist with each other, and actually present a united front against an opposing force. Instead of every man (guild) for themselves, its now "raiders" vs the "CARE BEAR GIVE US SOMETHING FOR NOTHING SOCIALISTIC ROTATION BASED BULLSHIT PLAYERS"... for that, I have to say thanks!

All the raid guilds have ever done... Track, Prepare, Attack. Anyone should be able to compete in that environment. You may not always win, but everyone has the same chance to compete.

Instead, we're now faced with a 2 tier raid system that seems likely to be the best implementation to make everyone "happy".

You're the same type of parents and kids that required that every child gets a participation trophy, because hey... EVERYONE should get a trophy. The Olympics are coming up, and if Russia doesn't win an event, do you think they're going to threaten to extinguish the torch until they get their medal for participation?

Track, Prepare, Attack... It's what gamers do.
whine, bitch, complain... It's what participants do.

Tier 1 = TPA
Tier 2 = WBC

Rogean taking away mai merb. Waaaaah waaaah.

[ripwind]

Wasn't there personally and I don't wanna get into the forumquest back and forth that so many here love -- just wanted to point out it's not all flowers and parties atm...at least according to many in my guild upset about being trained and shit on last night.

I was there last night on Romp. Was pretty disappointing all around. At first it sounded like we were going to get a crack at CT, then that was erased. Then we got trained. Maybe next time. We mobilized very quickly, though, so we can be proud of that.

[Alarti0001]

I have nothing useful to say!!!!

[Reguiy]

LOL. This is RNF. I thought that was the idea.

[AenarieFenninRo]

I was there last night on Romp. Was pretty disappointing all around. At first it sounded like we were going to get a crack at CT, then that was erased. Then we got trained. Maybe next time. We mobilized very quickly, though, so we can be proud of that.

Oh do tell us more. So what you're saying here is that the "cause" that resulted in the "effect" of the raid scene being shut down because of petition quest etc still lives on?

ERRR MEHHH GERRRRRD... never saw that coming!

[ripwind]

Oh do tell us more. So what you're saying here is that the "cause" that resulted in the "effect" of the raid scene being shut down because of petition quest etc still lives on?

ERRR MEHHH GERRRRRD... never saw that coming!

I don't believe we petitioned anyone. Sorry, maybe I'm not jaded enough yet to properly post in RNF.

[Rhambuk]

I love your anger. It feeds me

[AenarieFenninRo]

"Cause" in this case was someone doing something shady

Was pretty disappointing all around. At first it sounded like we were going to get a crack at CT, then that was erased. Then we got trained.

"Choice" Do or Do not petition (there is no try ;) lol)

I don't believe we petitioned anyone. Sorry, maybe I'm not jaded enough yet to properly post in RNF.

"Effect" The GMs shut down the raid scene

btw, posting in R&F is not a petition, we only posted here after petitions were resolved or at least if we wanted our petition to even be considered that was part of the process...

[Hitpoint]

I was there last night on Romp. Was pretty disappointing all around. At first it sounded like we were going to get a crack at CT, then that was erased. Then we got trained. Maybe next time. We mobilized very quickly, though, so we can be proud of that.

I truly hope you and your guild don't think anyone from FE trained you on CT. He has a mechanic where he summons every mob in the zone to him, that's why kiting is necessary. I was FD next to your raid watching, and frapsed it because I literally always have fraps going on raids. Our raid was camped out at north wall except for a few FD classes watching to see what happened. And we were totally hands-off I promise.

[Pico]

now that dsm-5 is finally out anyone know whether or not "getting irrationally angry over a emu internet game" is officially recognized as a sign of autism?

[Lazie]

I don't believe we petitioned anyone. Sorry, maybe I'm not jaded enough yet to properly post in RNF.

No one trained you at CT anyway. FE/IB was camped out but for a few FD classes to watch the progress of your attempt and whether or not to tell the guild to log in. CT has a mechanic that calls the entire zone to him when he is engaged. This is regardless of whatever train your guild bards has up and running prior to the engage. All mobs in zone will run to the people engaging CT. There is a way to combat this which I am sure your guild will learn when they get further attempts on CT.

[Millburn]

Then why require a proposal that MUST be agreed upon by all guilds? Why not just force TMO & FE/IB (I assume the biggest culprits behind the recent petitionquest) to work out an agreement that fosters a culture of respect and interguild arbitration and keep everything else as it was? It seems to me like rogean & co. are more interested in a rotation based carebear land than just solving the petition wars.

Yeah why do all this complicated shit when you can do all this other complicated shit instead?

[ripwind]

I don't recall if it was before or immediately following the CT death. We were at the north wall at the time and had the train dragged over us twice. I'm sure it wasn't intentional, but a few folks ended up dead. Thankfully we were able to get rezzes and get out after camping etc.

[Lazie]

I don't recall if it was before or immediately following the CT death. We were at the north wall at the time and had the train dragged over us twice. I'm sure it wasn't intentional, but a few folks ended up dead. Thankfully we were able to get rezzes and get out after camping etc.

Ah yes that happened to us as well. I think one of the people keeping the mobs away from North Wall died.Were a lot of guilds in there last night, but I can promise you one thing we did not mess with your attempt. Our raid leader gave a specific command in vent "Log out and let them attempt it". The only people that stayed in game past that command were there to monitor and get people out of the zone if you guys killed it successfully.

[baalzy]

No one trained you at CT anyway. FE/IB was camped out but for a few FD classes to watch the progress of your attempt and whether or not to tell the guild to log in. CT has a mechanic that calls the entire zone to him when he is engaged. This is regardless of whatever train your guild bards has up and running prior to the engage. All mobs in zone will run to the people engaging CT. There is a way to combat this which I am sure your guild will learn when they get further attempts on CT.

Enchanters are the key with their shifting colors..

[ripwind]

We didn't get an attempt at Draco or CT. I suspect we were too slow getting prepped. Not sure who ultimately killed them.

[Lazie]

We didn't get an attempt at Draco or CT. I suspect we were too slow getting prepped. Not sure who ultimately killed them.

What ? FTE message went off on CT for a Taken Member. CT's health started dropping and Taken members started dying. His health got down in the 70s during the next minute until only 4 members of Taken were left in zone. Not trying to call you a liar, however if Taken didn't engage and attempt him then his health mysteriously dropped by an unseen force for a solid minute after an FTE message by a Taken member.

[Hitpoint]

I think ripwind might actually be AG instead of Taken like we assumed. But yea, we lost a kiter a couple times. Thats why we camp out periodically, so hopefully we can avoid the train returning to us. If you guys ever agro's a mob in fear and it got swept up in the train, unless you camp out it would bring the entire train back to you when the mob died. CT is a shitshow unfortunately, trains just happen sometimes. You can't micromanage every person and make sure their agro is clear.

[Hitpoint]

I think ripwind might actually be AG instead of Taken like we assumed. But yea, we lost a kiter a couple times. Thats why we camp out periodically, so hopefully we can avoid the train returning to us. If you guys ever agro's a mob in fear and it got swept up in the train, unless you camp out it would bring the entire train back to you when the mob died. CT is a shitshow unfortunately, trains just happen sometimes. You can't micromanage every person and make sure their agro is clear.

if the kiter dies.*

[ripwind]

Correct, I'm in AG. Not Taken. Sorry for the confusion!

Maybe we'll get a shot at it next time.

[Tasslehofp99]

Honestly, I am torn.

I started on the side of the "casual scum" which is a term I find very offensive btw! lol


Now that I'm seeing that most of these guilds are expecting mobs to just be left up for hours so they don't have to track/mobilize in a timely fashion though, I can't take their side any longer. You atleast have to show some fucking effort if you expect to experience the higher end content/loot.

Don't get me wrong, I 100% disagree with what TMO has done to this server over the last 2 years...as is made obvious by my posts from the past. I don't however think that its very fair for FE to be lumped in with TMO (we don't have a billion plat guild bank or 30 greenscales/ hundreds of other various other epic pieces banked. I also don't think its fair for guilds to expect to be able to participate in raiding content if they are unwilling to track/mobilize in under 2 hours.

2 hours is enough to form a pickup raid for any raid target in game from forums/EC tunnel and mobilize/kill that target with ease. Why can't some of these "casual raiding guilds" do this if any random joe can find 30 players to zerg a mob down and /random the loot in under 2 hours?

blah I've already more than I care to say but...

Track mobs if you wanna kill them, THAT SHIT IS CLASSIC AND HAPPENED ON LIVE SERVERS!!

I remember camping VSR for like 48 consecutive hours or more on live, and that's a spawnable fucking mob like ragefire. People tracked mobs they wanted, and they also had friends/guildies ready to mobilize the instant it spawned in many(if not all) cases otherwise the next guy got it.

I completely understand the whole anti-monopolization stance, because theres no reason for what happened here over the last 2 years or more. I just don't think removing all forms of raid competition(via whatever agreement is made) is any better for the server's health than TMO's raid scene was.


/rant off

[ripwind]

CT was up for two hours?

[Rhambuk]

Track mobs if you wanna kill them, THAT SHIT IS CLASSIC AND HAPPENED ON LIVE SERVERS!!


I cant agree with this statement. Without a variance mobs spawned exactly 3 days later or 7 days later. there was absolutely no need to track I remember prepping for raid mobs minutes before they spawn because we KNEW when it was due.

There is no need to track when you know when a mob is gonna be up

[radditsu]

I cant agree with this statement. Without a variance mobs spawned exactly 3 days later or 7 days later. there was absolutely no need to track I remember prepping for raid mobs minutes before they spawn because we KNEW when it was due.

There is no need to track when you know when a mob is gonna be up


Thanks captain obvious.

[Rhambuk]

I was recently promoted, Im CL obvious now!

[Rhambuk]

col...colonel how the fuck is colonel pronounced kernel?

[Tasslehofp99]

I cant agree with this statement. Without a variance mobs spawned exactly 3 days later or 7 days later. there was absolutely no need to track I remember prepping for raid mobs minutes before they spawn because we KNEW when it was due.

There is no need to track when you know when a mob is gonna be up

I guess my example was a poor one, I thought VSR(spawnable version of VS for druid epic) had a minor variance. Either way unless GM's plan on doing away with variance completely I can't understand a guild who wants to raid boss mobs being unwilling to track mobs they have a desire to kill. There has to be some expectation of effort otherwise competition dies completely, which sucks a lot.

[radditsu]

col...colonel how the fuck is colonel pronounced kernel?

Your obviously not a golfer.

[Rhambuk]

Your obviously not a golfer.

Ive only recently started this past year, Love it though im going to make my own course this summer.

and tass as I remember it there really wasn't much for competition outside of who can kill it faster. Specifically waiting for Blob1 to pop in VT our guild and another both sitting fully buffed positioned etc and it popped. it was simply a dps race 51% gets loot.

"competition" was created on p99 because of variance, none of the raiding scene here is classic.

[Dr. Edge]

these TMO guys sure have mastered being butthurt

[Lojik]

Your obviously not a golfer.

Rug really tied the room together.

[radditsu]

Rug really tied the room together.

It was an obvious reference. That guy r dum

[Rhambuk]

It was an obvious reference. That guy r dum

apparently....

oh btw, stupid fucking movie.

[Kagatob]

The New P99 standard

http://cdn.bernardgoldberg.com/wp-content/uploads/trophy-300x271.jpg

It's a 14 year old video game, not a fucking sport. Get a job.

[Lune]

oh btw, stupid fucking movie.

Strike 2 motherfuck, I'm about to not like you very much

http://i.imgur.com/prztmLD.jpg

[Rhambuk]

Strike 2 motherfuck, I'm about to not like you very much

http://i.imgur.com/prztmLD.jpg

lol I love striking nerves in rnf.

I don't bowl on fucking shavez! sorry im not looking up proper spelling.

[citizen1080]

Strike 2 motherfuck, I'm about to not like you very much

http://i.imgur.com/prztmLD.jpg

Rhambuk...dude...how can you bag on well...the dude? Movie is a classic.

Forget it, Donny, you're out of your element!

[citizen1080]

You see what happens larry when you fuck a stranger in the ass.

[Rhambuk]

I don't bowl on fucking shavez!

[QUOTE=Rhambuk;1252182]lol I love striking nerves in rnf.
QUOTE]

I suppose I need to be a bit more careful even when joking when it comes to the dude