Not enjoying it like I thought I would...

[Cribanox]

So I was totally pumped to play classic eq again, but 15 lvls into the ranger class, for some reason I'm just not enjoying it. Maybe WOW has ruined me, or maybe it's the drama here. I just don't remember eq being so full of eliteism and self entitlement. Yea there are people out there who help others but most are just in this rat race to 50 , with all the limited resources in this game it gets quite frustrating.

I'd rather have the anti social community of WoW sometimes than deal with people camping all the named mobs in one dungeon, or play a game where melée classes have nothing and are basically unable to get anything. I never really noticed back in the day how casters have basically everything and melée have nothing.

Thus isn't a I'm quitting speech or anythig, but for some fucked up reason, playing on this server has made my appreciation for Wow grow :/. I feel like I have an even chance for my character to grow unlike in eq. Sure if I has time to play in a top raiding guild things would be different, or if I played a druid, but I can't and don't, so ill probably never get rich and I'll be scraping by in EQ until 50 and I guess I just don't have the time or patience to anymore. I even did 5-10 HUGE cr's since I've played here, so it's not I'm being a big baby and shit about how hard eq is, it's just totally unfair.

Anyway if you took time to read this you must have too much time on yours hands, and need to get back to your job! :)

[Takshaka]

Well, I do indeed have too much time on my hands because I am awfully bored at work right now.

I would say part of your lack of enjoyment may be the result of playing a ranger. did you play a ranger back in the day? b/c rangers have always kinda been the gimpy-est hybrid class. Sure the concept of the ranger is pretty cool, but in play they just don't hold up that well and you still suffer that damn 40% XP penalty so it takes so THAT much longer to level. I remember a friend of mine leveling his ranger up to 36 or 37 as his first toon when EQ launched and he was so pissed that it took him that long to figure out that the class sucked at the time. (rangers may have gotten better after during or after Kunark)

Also, not sure what server you played on, but there was probably more drama on Erollisi Marr than there is on this server and then my second server, The Nameless, it was pretty much the same situation.

[Reiker]

EQ is the game for some, WoW is the game for others... shrug.

[Barkingturtle]

playing on this server has made my appreciation for Wow grow :/. I feel like I have an even chance for my character to grow unlike in eq.

Which is my biggest beef with WoW. It's boring when everyone is the same. Everyone can have everything because whatever you want is contained within an instance made just for you. It's just all handed to you.

WoW is like a whore that will blow you and all your friends, no questions asked. At first you're like, "Radtastic! Free head!" But then you start to realize that this whore's blowjobs mean nothing, because everyone gets them.

EQ, particularly this old school incarnation, requires you to beat up the whore first.

So obviously, it is much more gratifying to beat up a whore and get a blowjob than it is to just get free head, because there is really no greater thrill than kicking a prostitute in the vagina.

[Takshaka]

haha Barkingturtle, that analogy made my day! I sense that you have great experience in these areas of kicking whores in the vagina?

[guineapig]

I was going to write something about rangers but then I read the rest of the thread and think I need to go pray...:eek:

[Fern]

Which is my biggest beef with WoW. It's boring when everyone is the same. Everyone can have everything because whatever you want is contained within an instance made just for you. It's just all handed to you.

WoW is like a whore that will blow you and all your friends, no questions asked. At first you're like, "Radtastic! Free head!" But then you start to realize that this whore's blowjobs mean nothing, because everyone gets them.

EQ, particularly this old school incarnation, requires you to beat up the whore first.

So obviously, it is much more gratifying to beat up a whore and get a blowjob than it is to just get free head, because there is really no greater thrill than kicking a prostitute in the vagina.

thats almost perfect ...i love kicking prostitutes in the Vag!

[Jify]

Neato!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8182446.stm

[dagarath]

I am gonna be as polite as possible, you are retarded. Seriously, read your post... you've been ruined by WoW, you are complaining about all the things that made Classic great.

You my friend are the problem, not classic EQ. All this elitist crap was WAY worse in classic on live, just I am sure you never had a CHANCE to notice it, as well as you did not notice the broken and gimped classes. If you are one of those people who wants to play a ranger FINE dig your own grave, its classic... seriously, you must have never played classic if your playing an UNTWINKED ranger.

I am the type of player who doesn't really have a set play time, I play randomly, maybe for 10-15 minutes at a time and guess what, I am having NO problems, I have no complaints...because I'm not some whiny lil bitch who wants everything handed to him (see: WoW and current EQ Live)

You are being a big baby, I can prove it it's just totally unfair Shutup you big baby, nothing is.

[Takshaka]

I am gonna be as polite as possible, you are retarded. Seriously, read your post... you've been ruined by WoW, you are complaining about all the things that made Classic great. ...

...You are being a big baby, I can prove it Shutup you big baby, nothing is.

aww.. what's the matter? Your e-peen wasn't looking big enough when you woke up this morning? sure the guy is a bit of a cry baby and may actually just be a troll but ya don't gotta be a dick about it.

[dagarath]

I was being polite, id easily get banned from p99 if i was being a dick for what I have to say

[Cribanox]

Just so you know, i dont agree with how you said everything is handed to you in wow, it isnt, it still takes many days /played to get far.

Also, being as unfair as eq can be is a legitmate complaint, it always has been. By the way ive made over 500plat, full banded, 5ac55hp rings and decent weps by lvl 15 on my own. I can even solo well and have over 100 fletching. So i am able to overcome a lot of eqs hardships, i guess i just think that the reward for doing so isnt so great anymore.

[Zarniwooop]

A huge part of how much you enjoy EQ is the people you group and play with (at least for me).

Finding a guild that suits your personality can be an immense help.

Some people simply want to solo and do it themselves. If you're one of those people, the ranger class is not for you.

Without the other people and the shared experiences, what would be the point.

-Phase

[Dabamf]

The problem here is that your grievances, outside of being a ranger, involve content from flame posts. "One person dominating a whole dungeon" is obviously referencing the Najena flame post, the "elitism" is obviously referencing Transc/IB flame posts.

I have a good idea: don't base your opinions on those posts. Base your opinions on your experiences in the game.

Every newbie zone I enter I search my bags for gear to give people. I know tons of other level 50s who do the same, from IB, Transcendence, and many other guilds. The elitism you don't like comes from like 2 people in this game total. The rest of most of these guilds are quite helpful and friendly.

But anyway, quit your ranger because they're garbage. Play any other class and enjoy being good, with the added benefit of no exp penalty.

[Zithax]

The problem here is that your grievances, outside of being a ranger, involve content from flame posts. "One person dominating a whole dungeon" is obviously referencing the Najena flame post, the "elitism" is obviously referencing Transc/IB flame posts.

I have a good idea: don't base your opinions on those posts. Base your opinions on your experiences in the game.

Every newbie zone I enter I search my bags for gear to give people. I know tons of other level 50s who do the same, from IB, Transcendence, and many other guilds. The elitism you don't like comes from like 2 people in this game total. The rest of most of these guilds are quite helpful and friendly.

But anyway, quit your ranger because they're garbage. Play any other class and enjoy being good, with the added benefit of no exp penalty.

Gonna have to agree with dabamf. If I ever have any spare items I give them away, and I'm always polite to people asking me tips about monks or noobies in general -- although sometimes I may be in tell hell and take a bit to answer them, but I always try to.

[Hasbinbad]

The problem here.. ..no exp penalty.
Insight.

[Hasbinbad]

Neato!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8182446.stm

Betty is fucking rad!

[Kubaton]

he has a point tho that none of you target...

The soloing classes are the feeders and lewt whores and the melee are the pigs sniffing for table scraps... In a way it isnt right, but that doesnt or shouldnt stop anyone from rolling a whore class.

Eq would be awesome with a total population of druids, nothing more.. just fucking druids.....

lol......

One thing is certain.. Eq was suppost to be a social game, but they did fail on a lot of levels... ALL of the melee classes are dependant on the casters.. The casters (other than a cleric) are not dependant on anyone.... SOOO... MY idea is to add a different line of skills for melee classes that enable them to counter magic and/or cripple mobs (call it a handycap) in order to be more competitive. Give melee classes an attack or two that have a reasonable cooldown... Gut shot (slows npc attack speed by 40% for X amount of time CD= 30min)... Stunning blow (Dazes target for 8 seconds and deals X amount of damage CD= 20min)

How about letting rogues add their poison to a vial that is reusable!

Im not here backing anything up, just pointing out the obvious. Throwing out some ideas....

[Reiker]

There's a game that has that stuff... it's called World of Warcraft.

[Kubaton]

I played wow.. i dont like it... at all... it was to easy..

I played eq from 1999 until release of Luc.. after that eq sux balls...

was just saying there could be small improvements for the melee classes to help a bit.... we all know that most melee classes are created and for the most part twinks from casters =)

[Zaes]

Gonna have to agree with dabamf. If I ever have any spare items I give them away, and I'm always polite to people asking me tips about monks or noobies in general -- although sometimes I may be in tell hell and take a bit to answer them, but I always try to.

This is true. I had a conversation with him the other day, and at the end he gave me 200pp for no reason and now I don't have to worry about spell money for awhile. :D

[Finawin]

Which is my biggest beef with WoW. It's boring when everyone is the same. Everyone can have everything because whatever you want is contained within an instance made just for you. It's just all handed to you.

WoW is like a whore that will blow you and all your friends, no questions asked. At first you're like, "Radtastic! Free head!" But then you start to realize that this whore's blowjobs mean nothing, because everyone gets them.

EQ, particularly this old school incarnation, requires you to beat up the whore first.

So obviously, it is much more gratifying to beat up a whore and get a blowjob than it is to just get free head, because there is really no greater thrill than kicking a prostitute in the vagina.

I like you.

[Tryfaen]

So I was totally pumped to play classic eq again, but 15 lvls into the ranger class, for some reason I'm just not enjoying it. Maybe WOW has ruined me, or maybe it's the drama here. I just don't remember eq being so full of eliteism and self entitlement. Yea there are people out there who help others but most are just in this rat race to 50 , with all the limited resources in this game it gets quite frustrating.

I'd rather have the anti social community of WoW sometimes than deal with people camping all the named mobs in one dungeon, or play a game where melée classes have nothing and are basically unable to get anything. I never really noticed back in the day how casters have basically everything and melée have nothing.

Thus isn't a I'm quitting speech or anythig, but for some fucked up reason, playing on this server has made my appreciation for Wow grow :/. I feel like I have an even chance for my character to grow unlike in eq. Sure if I has time to play in a top raiding guild things would be different, or if I played a druid, but I can't and don't, so ill probably never get rich and I'll be scraping by in EQ until 50 and I guess I just don't have the time or patience to anymore. I even did 5-10 HUGE cr's since I've played here, so it's not I'm being a big baby and shit about how hard eq is, it's just totally unfair.

Anyway if you took time to read this you must have too much time on yours hands, and need to get back to your job! :)

I have had the exact opposite experience in game, its been lots of fun, meeting lots of cool people, and having a blast.
About having melees having nothing and casters having everything, I suspect there's a balancing issue that needs to be dealt with but I don't have anything to back that up and I am too lazy to dig up any facts. I don't feel underpowered when looking just at myself, when compared to a mage yeah but not by myself.
Myself though, I have full patchwork leather, a dragoon dirk(passing druid killed dvinn) and a box of abu-kar(got off of a corpse in BB where a druid was camping guards) 90pp, and a bank full of foraged foods, pelts, and smithing stuff. and I have been working on tailoring and smithing tradeskills.(both about 30)

As for the drama though, I have wondered as a new player if there really is GM corruption and exploiting going on at the raid level. I think either bad GMs/guilds need to be dealt with or trolls lying on the forums need to be dealt with. its bad for the server to just let it go. As for ingame drama, I haven't experienced any between level 1-13 so far so I am taking the forum drama with a grain of salt.

That's a summary of my experience so far.

[Baldrik]

Nothing wrong with a ranger. At least they are decent dps, especially later on :D

Game is full of SK which will be reduced to a no-dps neat-to-have-when-the-monk-is-afk puller. This said, I play one myself since they are fun.

I see your point but you just have to make your own impact. A mob is free untill its pulled. So go contest the necro camping deadside lower guk. Snag his named and make him share. Sure he will be pissed, but there are no camps in EQ right?

This is really fun for me but its alot easier than original EQ. Tons of small changes makes it easier, especially on the cash side. PP is ALOT easier to come by than it used to be, especially early on. Stuff sells for more, cracked staff actually drop while worn great staff is rare ect.

People been nice to me and I fail to see the drama, there is a carebear rotation here.

[Gildiss Gram]

I beat EQ.
Server first.

[Jadian]

Oh man it'd be great to see a Ranger run up and try to steal a named mob in Lower Guk from a Necro! Hah

[Baldrik]

Well if he's holding more or less all of deadside. You could be able to snag a named or a camp from him. Not talking about KS'ing.

[Taminy]

tl;dr / QQ post ahead.

To be honest, also not enjoying it lately in the last week or so.

Groups have been kind of weird the last few times I've logged on. /o warrior LFG for hours on end with no bites.

Seems like at 40+ not many people want to grind experience especially with a melee, it's all just a farm fest. Not that people have to group with anyone or share anything (I wouldn't be surprised if someone still flamed me for this).

It was like that on live on my server too. In fact you could walk from the zone in to lord and not see any mobs other than the frog slaves. The main difference is that people were still trying to get experience outside of guk or solb 40+ if they couldn't find a group. Killing guards, specs, ice giants, etc. if they had to. The only people who do this on P1999 from what I've seen are caster solo/duo teams, no melee involved until I was duoing with a druid today. Everyone else it's guk, solb, or log off.

Maybe it's a population issue. On my live server guk live and dead side used to be completely camped (dead side was stupidly like 6 separate camps), solb was about 5 separate camps (not counting efreeti/fgs), and there used to be a couple separate groups in oggok. Maybe one in grobb as well and another in freeport and some others killing dwarf guards. Or maybe people are just more attuned to the fact that classic melee are underpowered, especially when they aren't geared.

And I played a warrior on live classic as well, so I know I'm already patient enough to tolerate the pain that it is.

[darkkor]

Which is my biggest beef with WoW. It's boring when everyone is the same. Everyone can have everything because whatever you want is contained within an instance made just for you. It's just all handed to you.

This is really not true at all and too many people believe this. The absolute BEST gear in WoW is still only obtainable by a tiny percentage of players. Everyone most certainly can not have everything. BUT...everyone can have SOMETHING good.

They just added a level of gear right below BEST and made it available to most everyone with a brain. Honestly, I never saw a problem with that. I still had access to gear a step above what most people could get and did hardmodes most people couldn't

Hardmodes have certainly added some challenge and Ice Crown is actually shaping up to have some difficult encounters (Putricide is actually really really hard).

Be honest though, how hard is it to gear up in EQclassic right now? Extremely easy to get the best gear before planes give or take a few slots. Even the planes aren't that hard right now and were rolled over quickly. Friends of guilds are tagging along and getting full plane gear in a few days. Everyone looks the same also for the most part, especially casters.

I love both games. I think they both have awesome things about them and some bad things about them, both of them. I don't "defend" either game but I will retort blatantly wrong remarks.

[Rigget]

I'm with darkkor. I started a WoW account because of how bored I am with this server already. Too be honest, EQ classic isn't everything I hoped it would be. I got to level 50, got lots of raid gear, did all the cool content and now I'm bored. It didn't feel very hard and my gear is basically the same as every other 50 shaman. I'd say its actually easier in EQ classic to get yourself top tiered than it is in WoW. At least there I can solo for exp and it takes effort on my part, and when I group, we can go work an instance, and all walk out with a little bit of unique loot. Nothing about WoW has felt any easier than Classic EQ thus far other than I don't have to sit around for 45+mins waiting for something to do.

[guineapig]

tl;dr / QQ post ahead.

To be honest, also not enjoying it lately in the last week or so.

Groups have been kind of weird the last few times I've logged on. /o warrior LFG for hours on end with no bites.

Seems like at 40+ not many people want to grind experience especially with a melee, it's all just a farm fest. Not that people have to group with anyone or share anything (I wouldn't be surprised if someone still flamed me for this).

It was like that on live on my server too. In fact you could walk from the zone in to lord and not see any mobs other than the frog slaves. The main difference is that people were still trying to get experience outside of guk or solb 40+ if they couldn't find a group. Killing guards, specs, ice giants, etc. if they had to. The only people who do this on P1999 from what I've seen are caster solo/duo teams, no melee involved until I was duoing with a druid today. Everyone else it's guk, solb, or log off.

Maybe it's a population issue. On my live server guk live and dead side used to be completely camped (dead side was stupidly like 6 separate camps), solb was about 5 separate camps (not counting efreeti/fgs), and there used to be a couple separate groups in oggok. Maybe one in grobb as well and another in freeport and some others killing dwarf guards. Or maybe people are just more attuned to the fact that classic melee are underpowered, especially when they aren't geared.

And I played a warrior on live classic as well, so I know I'm already patient enough to tolerate the pain that it is.

I personally would love to do permafrost with a group but nobody wants to do the run. What's the closest port spot to there anyway? It isn't NK is it?

[Ripcord]

till surefall port was implemented, ya NK

[Goobles]

LEt's all eat some pie.

[India Pale Ale]

Leveling as a group dependent class, rogue, the times when I am best able to find a group are evenings and weekends. At that, if I choose to level, I better block out a 4 hour window to accomplish any tasks. While the latter statement is the nature of EQ, deal with it, the former statement could easily be resolved by allowing two-boxing. I can not count the times I have been in a 'half-group' at either late night/early morning.

Naturally, spending a 1/3rd of time /played leaves one disheartened, but at the same time, the overall community is great, nobody really is taking a ten-year old corpse super seriously, and Barrens chat.. err OOC can range from lawlworthy to full retard in about 5 seconds which is completely 'classic' imho.