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lite
06-13-2014, 02:13 AM
Hundreds of thousands of plat...what exactly were they trying to purchase?

l. like any of this RMT shit matters rofl...,
noone in nihilum fucking cares either.

Anyone in Nilly feel any differently ?

Complexity
06-13-2014, 02:15 AM
A big enough boat to ship all their zerglings to Velious.

Mac Drettj
06-13-2014, 02:17 AM
http://i.imgur.com/B6bXScA.gif

Agatha
06-13-2014, 02:17 AM
noone cares about RMT, neither do you, stop pretending.


Edit: forgot to mention was officer of azrael, can confirm lite 100% doesnt care about RMT, trust me lol.

bigshowtime
06-13-2014, 02:18 AM
I care

Zihm
06-13-2014, 02:20 AM
recruitment tactic probably

R Flair
06-13-2014, 02:20 AM
http://www.asianweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/dreamstimeweb_angry374345_1.jpg

mostbitter
06-13-2014, 02:25 AM
I guess this means sickpuppy/sealer/afflict/wyclef don't have a spot in Azrael anymore since RMT is on the no list now?

lite
06-13-2014, 02:57 AM
Some people must care. Or its kind of silly to present a 180 sale as a 40.

Tradesonred
06-13-2014, 03:45 AM
Some people must care. Or its kind of silly to present a 180 sale as a 40.

Or pretty silly to feign outrage at RMT when sektorr is tagged azrael

Labanen
06-13-2014, 04:48 AM
Or pretty silly to feign outrage at RMT when sektorr is tagged azraellol

I think the reason that noone in Nihilum cares that stuff is sold (for plats), is that all our expenses (dots, planar stones, tradeskill shit) is payed for and we got the pixels we want for our mains. To have to sell a couple of items to the opposition to make that happen is fine. I also dont care that i have to put down a couple of plats to put a trak bp on my 3rd epic'ed alt.

Nizzar shouldnt have sold anything to sektor for pizzapennies of course, it was stupid, but he took a pretty hard punishment for it and moved on. So did I.

Agatha
06-13-2014, 05:03 AM
been in nihilum for a long time, before i joined i bought into lites recruitment tactic of nihilum being a RMT scheme.

But, I have been in nihilum a long time now, have personally logged and tracked items that have dropped(jupe has, and if you know jupe he's always been my numbers guy) and there simply is no huge elaberate RMT scheme).

Would have been gone a long time by now if this was the case, I think you lite, of all people know that, aswell as all my old pals in azrael.

Nizzar fell victim to sektors, as has many MANY others constant barrage of msgs(me and jupe personally have recieved probably over 40 offers from sektors trying to buy shit).

Sorry boys but if you arn't mega oil rich like me and jupe, 40 dollars for something after being asked 40 times, at time point, that 40 dollars is going to look real real good.

after being pestered by sektors repeatedly, and jesus christ I think as most heavy hitters know sektors personally and have been propositioned by him. Have actually RMT'd with sektors.

That is why noone is fucking giving a shit, because everyone knows sektors, everyone knows how he opperates, everyone can sympathize with nizzars situation.

He didnt get caught up in some huge RMT sting, he got fucking caught up with "baron sektors", sir talks to much. Lite used sektors against nizzar, made sektors fall on his sword to take nizzar down. +1 for lite, skills. -1 for sektors and nizzar.

gladly PL'd helped nizzar lvl and regear. as did many others. you know why? because just like me, know that nizzar is a nice guy.

edit: jupe, if you see this, feel free to post the logs of sektors trying to RMT off us. i think the people need to realize how many times he will bother you.

FaithlessKR
06-13-2014, 05:38 AM
been in nihilum for a long time, before i joined i bought into lites recruitment tactic of nihilum being a RMT scheme.

But, I have been in nihilum a long time now, have personally logged and tracked items that have dropped(jupe has, and if you know jupe he's always been my numbers guy) and there simply is no huge elaberate RMT scheme).

Would have been gone a long time by now if this was the case, I think you lite, of all people know that, aswell as all my old pals in azrael.

Nizzar fell victim to sektors, as has many MANY others constant barrage of msgs(me and jupe personally have recieved probably over 40 offers from sektors trying to buy shit).

Sorry boys but if you arn't mega oil rich like me and jupe, 40 dollars for something after being asked 40 times, at time point, that 40 dollars is going to look real real good.

after being pestered by sektors repeatedly, and jesus christ I think as most heavy hitters know sektors personally and have been propositioned by him. Have actually RMT'd with sektors.

That is why noone is fucking giving a shit, because everyone knows sektors, everyone knows how he opperates, everyone can sympathize with nizzars situation.

He didnt get caught up in some huge RMT sting, he got fucking caught up with "baron sektors", sir talks to much. Lite used sektors against nizzar, made sektors fall on his sword to take nizzar down. +1 for lite, skills. -1 for sektors and nizzar.

gladly PL'd helped nizzar lvl and regear. as did many others. you know why? because just like me, know that nizzar is a nice guy.

edit: jupe, if you see this, feel free to post the logs of sektors trying to RMT off us. i think the people need to realize how many times he will bother you.

Your ignorance never ceases to amaze

Buhbuh
06-13-2014, 06:00 AM
the last time i talked to sektors he said nizzar was the one who had gotten him banned in the first place, so it was just a reciprocation/ revenge thing. i didn't really understand that, though. i assumed everyone knew he was an RMTer because he was the least careful about concealing it out of everyone I know that has RMT'd, and he made it known on the boards himself with silly cryptic smiles and retarded innuendos. i saw his ban as only a matter of time. and i'm sure he recognizes that himself.

Feniggles
06-13-2014, 06:29 AM
Hundreds of thousands of plat...what exactly were they trying to purchase?




Anyone in Nilly feel any differently ?

I BEG YOU PLEASE DONT SUPPORT THIS MAN

http://www.mcccvoice.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Screen-Shot-2012-03-24-at-5.04.08-PM.png

Silent
06-13-2014, 06:56 AM
Keep dem logs reel good...Just a portion from 2 separate juggs farm raid and a trakanon kill and not everything was linked in guild let alone dropped in the exp/kill group.

[Fri Sep 20 17:42:22 2013] --Thumperx has looted a Spell: Retribution of Al`Kabor.-- ?
[Fri Sep 20 17:50:00 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Enlightenment.-- BANKED
[Fri Sep 20 17:51:22 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Fortitude.-- BANKED
[Fri Sep 20 18:00:33 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Infusion.-- BANKED - portahoe
[Fri Sep 20 18:01:42 2013] --Roberto has looted a Spell: Frost.-- GONE TO Nips
[Fri Sep 20 18:11:35 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Pouch of Quellious.-- ?
[Fri Sep 20 18:11:36 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Draught of Jiva.-- BANKED
[Fri Sep 20 18:12:48 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Zumaik`s Animation.-- Given to Twerk
[Fri Sep 20 18:24:03 2013] --Roberto has looted a Spell: Greater Vocaration: Air.-- ?
[Fri Sep 20 18:27:53 2013] --Thumperx has looted a Spell: Quivering Veil of Xarn.--
Banked
[Fri Sep 20 18:33:16 2013] --Thumperx has looted a Spell: Greater Vocaration: Air.-- ?

[Fri Sep 20 18:33:17 2013] --Thumperx has looted a Staff of Battle.-- BANKED
[Fri Sep 20 18:34:21 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Legacy of Thorn.-- Banked
[Fri Sep 20 21:06:42 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Talisman of the Brute.-- BANKED
[Fri Sep 20 21:07:14 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Mark of Karn.-- Given to Basiah
[Fri Sep 20 21:35:34 2013] --You have looted a Peacebringer.-- Given to Gaanon/someones dragon alt?
[Fri Sep 20 21:35:34 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Lure of Ice.-- Given to Topdog
[Fri Sep 20 21:36:03 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Pillar of Flame.-- Given to ??? 56 Wiz alt/main??
[Fri Sep 20 21:40:25 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Winds of Gelid.-- Given to Oppressor

[Fri Sep 20 21:40:26 2013] --You have looted a Staff of Battle.--

[Fri Sep 20 22:21:21 2013] --Afflict has looted a Spell: Sedulous Subversion.-- ?
[Fri Sep 20 22:30:50 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Naltron's Mark.-- BANKED
[Fri Sep 20 22:38:23 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Forlorn Deeds.-- Given to Twerk, extras
[Fri Sep 20 22:43:06 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Summon: Muzzle of Mardu.-- Given to Omega or Elspeth


[Fri Sep 20 22:08:06 2013] Bamzal tells the guild, 'Spell: Pillar of Flame' -- ?
[Fri Sep 20 23:34:30 2013] Guido tells the guild, 'Spell: Umbra' -- ?

trak spell loot
[Fri Sep 20 23:43:20 2013] Stasis says, 'Spell: Enlightenment, Spell: Flaming Sword of Xuzl, Spell: Greater Vocaration: Air, -- ?


[Wed Sep 25 10:58:11 2013] --Thumperx has looted a Spell: Vengeance of Al`Kabor.-- BANKED
[Wed Sep 25 12:26:08 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Draught of Jiva.-- Given to Thakisis
[Wed Sep 25 12:35:53 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Bane of Nife.-- BANKED
[Wed Sep 25 12:37:51 2013] --Roberto has looted a Spell: Spirit of Oak.--

[Wed Sep 25 12:37:50 2013] --Roberto has looted a Peacebringer.-- For Edward(Monk) Upgrade weapon
[Wed Sep 25 12:39:50 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Talisman of the Rhino.-- Given to Fecal

[Wed Sep 25 12:40:41 2013] --Roberto has looted a Spell: Exile Undead.--

[Wed Sep 25 12:44:12 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Voice of the Berserker.-- BANKED
[Wed Sep 25 12:49:19 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Markar`s Discord.-- Given to Thakisis
[Wed Sep 25 12:50:16 2013] --Roberto has looted a Spell: Greater Vocaration: Fire.--

[Wed Sep 25 13:09:15 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Levant.-- BANKED
[Wed Sep 25 13:09:16 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Acumen.-- BANKED
[Wed Sep 25 13:33:27 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Emissary of Thule.-- BANKED
[Wed Sep 25 13:47:07 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Trepidation.-- BANKED
[Wed Sep 25 14:24:45 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Fortitude.-- BANKED

[Wed Sep 25 14:27:59 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Forlorn Deeds.-- BANKED
[Wed Sep 25 14:30:26 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Talisman of the Cat.-- Given to Fecal
[Wed Sep 25 14:47:45 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Word of Restoration.-- BANKED
[Wed Sep 25 14:52:26 2013] --Roberto has looted a Spell: Talisman of the Serpent.-- BANKED

[Wed Sep 25 14:54:12 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Forlorn Deeds.-- BANKED
[Wed Sep 25 15:06:13 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Chill Bones.-- BANKED
[Wed Sep 25 15:24:03 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Greater Vocaration: Air.-- Banked
[Wed Sep 25 15:31:47 2013] --Roberto has looted a Spell: Breath of Karana.--

[Wed Sep 25 15:31:59 2013] --Elspeth has looted a Spell: Aegis of Ro.--
Given to Elspeth

//Trakanon
[Mon Sep 30 00:04:31 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Velocity.--
[Mon Sep 30 00:04:31 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Succor.--
[Mon Sep 30 00:04:31 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Torpor.--
[Mon Sep 30 00:04:32 2013] --You have looted a Spell: Greater Vocaration: Air.--
[Mon Sep 30 00:04:33 2013] --You have looted a Manna Robe.--

//Fay snipe - Jubei DHB
[Mon Oct 07 18:18:40 2013] Jubei tells the guild, 'Water Dragon ScalesRuned Bolster BeltDragon Hero BracerSea Dragon Meat'

[Mon Oct 07 18:19:06 2013] Jubei tells the guild, 'Spell: MalaSpell: Invert GravitySpell: Enslave Death'

99% of drops/spells logged from the day I joined nihi to the day I took a break for RoS expansion 98% attendance. No reason to post anything regarding sektors, its over he got banned, nizzar got banned. Leave the trolls to keep bringing up old/new shit about whatever flavor of the day it is.

Agatha
06-13-2014, 07:44 AM
wrong thread, wrong log, but good try jupe. im sure you will get it down next time.

Sektor
06-13-2014, 07:58 AM
Lol nice logs bro! I want my 10 seconds back

Agatha
06-13-2014, 08:01 AM
Lol nice logs bro! I want my 10 seconds back

yaw dat was real bad should ban him from forums.

Silent
06-13-2014, 08:18 AM
Nah I posted that there is no reason to post logs of sektors or anyone else for that matter. I keep logs for my own personal OCD style records. I don't log conversations to be reposted on forums later to put someone down, its just data to me to fall back on in case questions are ever asked or need to find out where spell/item_X went. People who take screenshots of long tell boxes of everyone they encounter and save them into labeled folders to be posted whenever they need dirt just gives forum trolls more ammo.

Not Salem
06-13-2014, 08:46 AM
jupe is fucking crazy + sounds like a women

Feniggles
06-13-2014, 09:02 AM
jupe is fucking crazy + sounds like a women

jupe not bad, what happened to warden?

LostCause
06-13-2014, 09:04 AM
you guys act like nizzar is the only one who has RMTed and has rerolled on server lol.

Littlegyno 11.0
06-13-2014, 09:13 AM
http://i.imgur.com/meftV0q.gif

Kergan
06-13-2014, 09:34 AM
Sorry things didn't go as planned for you Lite.

Vile
06-13-2014, 09:42 AM
http://i.imgur.com/meftV0q.gif

:cool:

Tassador
06-13-2014, 10:11 AM
Sorry things didn't go as planned for you Lite.

Server health unite the clans already asshole

Gaffin 7.0
06-13-2014, 10:19 AM
glad i dont do drugs anymore jupe and agatha are retarded

krazyGlue
06-13-2014, 10:24 AM
I guess this means sickpuppy/sealer/afflict/wyclef don't have a spot in Azrael anymore since RMT is on the no list now?

you seem mad.

Dacuk
06-13-2014, 10:42 AM
kinda funny how the most RMT was actually peeps in force. all good guys, but lol

Kergan
06-13-2014, 10:44 AM
Just weird. Selling shit only makes you weaker in-game, so shouldn't it have made it easier for Azrael to win especially when they were the ones buying it all?

I am confused.

R Flair
06-14-2014, 09:43 AM
Just weird. Selling shit only makes you weaker in-game, so shouldn't it have made it easier for Azrael to win especially when they were the ones buying it all?

I am confused.

Nothing confusing rly, they just changed their position on rmt to get a player they didn't like banned. Classic hypocrisy and juvenile behavior yet GMs fell for it hook line and sinker believing whole heartedly that they were really preventing some big rmt operation.

mission accomplished!

Herb9
06-14-2014, 11:06 AM
If hawking junk drops like Bladestopper can allow for someone to play 24/7 then more power to them. There are numerous people on this forum who were in this business when the chinese invaded and turned it from a $20+/hr job into a .20c/hr job(~2001). You know who you are and how dare you judge a nerd for using his entrepreneurial spirit to let him make a living playing the game he loves.

I know when I played, every high end item was passed out fairly, and I was on loot council back then.

Far as RMT wrt the Project goes, as long as they look like they are making an effort to police it, the project won't get a C&D letter. So save your lines about the integrity of the project, that's a laugh and a half. *cough paymelinda*

Huzzah to entrepreneurs and the hate they stir in the average wage slave.

Herb9
06-14-2014, 12:42 PM
I'm surprised your posting usually your smart enough to keep your head down and your mouth shut. That way you don't draw attention to the fact that your using a showeq compile.

You still being upset about getting dunked on at some point is just fantastic. I can only dream that every scrub I shit on committed the experience to long term memory the way you did.

Bazia
06-14-2014, 12:45 PM
Sorry but no one actually gives a fuck about RMT other then staff because they are told they have to.

Let's stop pretending bros

Slathar
06-14-2014, 12:47 PM
If hawking junk drops like Bladestopper can allow for someone to play 24/7 then more power to them. There are numerous people on this forum who were in this business when the chinese invaded and turned it from a $20+/hr job into a .20c/hr job(~2001). You know who you are and how dare you judge a nerd for using his entrepreneurial spirit to let him make a living playing the game he loves.

I know when I played, every high end item was passed out fairly, and I was on loot council back then.

Far as RMT wrt the Project goes, as long as they look like they are making an effort to police it, the project won't get a C&D letter. So save your lines about the integrity of the project, that's a laugh and a half. *cough paymelinda*

Huzzah to entrepreneurs and the hate they stir in the average wage slave.


Yes, Nizzar's tens of thousands of hours to get that 4-figure payday totally makes me hate. Why don't you post screenshots of your $3,000 retail trading profit again?

Lol.

Kergan
06-14-2014, 12:54 PM
I'm surprised your posting usually your smart enough to keep your head down and your mouth shut. That way you don't draw attention to the fact that your using a showeq compile.

Played with OJ on RZ and SZ. Not surprised you think he cheats as he is the baddest mofo I ever played with, but alas, he doesn't need hax sorry.

Kergan
06-14-2014, 01:23 PM
Lose to someone, call them a hacker, reinvent the past to paint yourself in a better light...

Clearly a Darkenbane victory!

hivemind
06-14-2014, 01:30 PM
5. Real Money Trades (RMT) are not allowed on Project 1999.

The use of real currency to trade for the use of services, items, or platinum on Project 1999 is strictly forbidden. This is a very serious rule, and violation of this rule willl result in permanent bans of all the accounts of the players involved. Real money trades includes, but is not limited to, trading for items or platinum in game, powerleveling services, accounts, characters, or other services. Currency includes all forms of real world OR virtual currency (IE, bit-coins, WoW gold, etc) AND real world items (Pizza's, Blooming Onions, Televisions, etc).

Do not joke about RMT on Project 1999. We will take all offers of RMT on Project 1999 seriously.

Account trading and selling is not allowed on Project 1999 in any form.

12. You may not operate a guild that habitually violates these rules.

Disciplinary issues involving guilds may be addressed with the entire guild. Guilds whose members habitually violate these rules may be issued guild warnings, and can even be permanently disbanded.

Guild Leaders and/or officers may be held accountable for any actions of their guild members, in addition to any other actions that may be taken. It is therefore the responsibility of the guild leadership to ensure that all guild members abide by these rules.


You can tell that staff doesn't really give a shit about their own rules, as I have seen countless times how non-seriously project99 takes RMT. This much can be observed most recently with Nizzar, the guild leader of Nihilum who habitually violated the RMT rules both on blue, as well as on red (as well as failing to follow a number of other rules regarding in-game exploits and so forth). Another example of staff not taking RMT seriously would be Sektorssxxyywwzztt. This guy has purchased so many items and so many accounts, I doubt he can even keep track of them all. Furthermore, he still owns RMTed characters like Sektorzz (gnome warrior) because Derubael allowed him to keep his already hard-earned and purchased wares, so long as Sektorzzssyywwxxtt promised not to transfer any of the (RMTed) items off of that character. I know Sektorsxxyyzzstt is an upstanding member of this community as he is well known to donate to project99 (as well as to his fellow Norathians in exchange for items/accounts/them playing his characters). What a nice and understanding fellow, that Derubael.

"Harassment" though -- that is a perma-bannable offense even though you will find zero reference to that word anywhere in the red PNP. Start donating kids, CREAM.

hivemind
06-14-2014, 01:34 PM
Lose to someone, call them a hacker, reinvent the past to paint yourself in a better light...

Clearly a Darkenbane victory!

The red99 version of this is:

Lose to someone, spout off profanities in tells, then /petition and get them banned for destroying you.

Clark
06-18-2014, 08:40 PM
Your ignorance never ceases to amaze

Agreed didn't realise Agatha was that freaking stupid.

Nirgon
06-18-2014, 09:01 PM
Let's stop bringing up the old things that continue to go on

R Flair
06-18-2014, 09:04 PM
plz lets continue to pretend a guy leading the guild that violated you ran some giant rmt operation cause he sold an item to a guy that bought pixels from half the server

mikemandella
06-18-2014, 09:06 PM
plz lets continue to pretend a guy leading the guild that violated you ran some giant rmt operation cause he sold an item to a guy that bought pixels from half the server

Nizzar definitely RMT'd more than that.. oh wait you think his light bill is only due once??

Nirgon
06-18-2014, 09:07 PM
plz lets continue to pretend a guy leading the guild that violated you ran some giant rmt operation cause he sold an item to a guy that bought pixels from half the server

ya he did it on blue too

oil
06-18-2014, 10:06 PM
im oil rich

this whole country is taken over by spinnickers and lockheads

Agatha
06-18-2014, 10:11 PM
was once in azrael, as much as you might hate me for going to the other side, you still know me, I would not take part in a guild that was a set up scheme to RMT. And if you really think differently after being guilded with me for a year than i don't know what to say to you other than get a god damned grip.

oil
06-18-2014, 10:14 PM
agatha one time you gave me a port and said you were doing coke

i also read this very day you 'dont give a fuck about rmt' and somehow assume no one else does?

by my deduction, its perfectly plausible you were part of a guild that set up a scheme for rmt, and probably would have even took a part of it, if they let you

but youre pretty crazy so maybe they didnt let you in on it

Derubael
06-18-2014, 10:28 PM
Classic hypocrisy and juvenile behavior yet GMs fell for it hook line and sinker believing whole heartedly that they were really preventing some big rmt operation.

Thx for the insider infos. I'm surprised to learn that we thought Nizzar was some big RMT operation. Bottom line is it doesn't matter if he sold 1 item or 100, he was a guild leader and shouldn't have been selling anything at all.

When we want to prevent some big RMT operation, we go to blue. Going after Nizzar was a necessity simply because we can't let guild leaders operate that way.

Furthermore, he still owns RMTed characters like Sektorzz (gnome warrior) because Derubael allowed him to keep his already hard-earned and purchased wares, so long as Sektorzzssyywwxxtt promised not to transfer any of the (RMTed) items off of that character.

You sure about that? Or just spouting random bullshit you know nothing about?

We have our own reasons for letting these two continue to play here. Suffice it to say they both provided information that allowed them to stick around. It's funny though that the same people crying foul that Nizzar is allowed to play here aren't also crying foul over Sektor retaining that same privilege?

O, I forgot, we should just press the magic "never play here again, scumbag!" button every-time we ban someone for RMT. It uses the powers of the internet wizards to make sure those people can never connect again.

oil
06-18-2014, 10:58 PM
I'll explain why what you said doesn't make much sense.

There is big difference between someone Buying gear for their character then Selling massive amounts of gear for profit. Just like the law treats having drugs differently than selling them.

Hence the different crimes Possession and Distribution. You wouldn't treat a crime lord the same way you'd treat a guy you found with a dime bag now would you?

Did Sektor single handily destroy the economy? Did Sektor buy and trade so many goods that the economy was inflated and practically destroyed?

Was Sektor's crimes abolished the minute you banned the character he bought the goods for?

But let me guess your going to ignore all the logical and sensible points I illustrated and only respond to flamers.

this argument is fucking stupid

we're not talking about drugs, which are as a real-world problem complicated and difficult to maintain

we're talking about RMT on an emulated everquest server, where its equally against the rules to buy or sell easily tracked pixels

the buyer's crime exactly = the seller's crime and the punishment is also identical... ban ban

all scum, all preventable, all NOT DRUGS

and yes, every successfully caught and banned RMT asshat helps the situation

oil
06-18-2014, 11:12 PM
didnt say banning folk = problem solved. in fact youre talking about a serious limitation in ban punishment, im saying it helps the situation

not everyone has the resources to jump right in the game. if you buy from a rmt "crime lord" as you say, you still should be banned equally. it will deter the next guy from making the same mistake

as for distributors, ip bans are possible. force the fuckers to play under VPN. it doesnt really solve the problem but it makes it that much more difficult for them. it wont stop them from playing but at least theyll be reminded theyre scum everytime they set up their connection

better if a more advanced detection method was invented so that buyers and sellers equally can be banned automagically

i can think of a few methods to implement it, but im sure the staff is a step ahead of me in trying

oil
06-18-2014, 11:18 PM
oh and by a simple rule: no "buyer" should be banned if there isnt a "seller" banned as well.

if you can prove RMT took place, there should be two parties and therefore a dual ban.

im not fully aware of the ingame limitations, but from a logic standpoint, that should be applicable..

only problem i see is people selling out of mule accounts.. still ips might lead in the right direction, or there may be some kind of pattern of selling

oil
06-18-2014, 11:25 PM
lol no

oil
06-18-2014, 11:29 PM
http://s21.postimg.org/nfeuugirp/1402432363845.gif

Derubael
06-18-2014, 11:34 PM
I'll explain why what you said doesn't make much sense.

There is big difference between someone Buying gear for their character then Selling massive amounts of gear for profit. Just like the law treats having drugs differently than selling them.

Hence the different crimes Possession and Distribution. You wouldn't treat a crime lord the same way you'd treat a guy you found with a dime bag now would you?

Did Sektor single handily destroy the economy? Did Sektor buy and trade so many goods that the economy was inflated and practically destroyed?

Was Sektor's crimes abolished the minute you banned the character he bought the goods for?


And let's not play stupid if you can restrict dual boxing you can certainly restrict someone from ever connecting here again.

But let me guess your going to ignore all the logical and sensible points I illustrated and only respond to flamers.

Your post doesn't even make much sense, and I'm not even sure if you understand who is who in your metaphor. I'm also pretty sure I responded to your points already in my last post. Nizzar and Sektor RMT'd. Nizzar and Sektor got all their characters banned. Nizzar and Sektor are being punished as much if not more than what is usually done for RMT on these servers.

Also, yes, we can restrict people from connecting to the server, but we have to do it manually. That means we reserve that list for a very small and select number of people.

Derubael
06-18-2014, 11:37 PM
WTF are you talking about VPN this isn't the movie hackers, it's an MMO the mobs and players load from server side, not client. The server has to know your correct traceroute or mobs won't load. You would have to hack the server literally to play on a banned IP or Mac, VPN IP masking does not work when the world loads from client and mobs load from server side.

Otherwise everyone would override the dual boxing rule by VPN masking IP or ghosting IP address.

If they want to fucking ban you for life, trust me they can!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Mac Drettj
06-18-2014, 11:40 PM
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/135/d/9/oh_gif_kid_by_magnasicparvis-d4zugsk.jpg

Gaanon
06-18-2014, 11:41 PM
First time reading a Syft post, thought it was gona be important or good.

Bardalicious
06-18-2014, 11:42 PM
Hahahaha holy fuck, I haven't laughed that hard in awhile.

Please continue with this enlightening conversation Syft. You goober.

Gaanon
06-18-2014, 11:43 PM
Speaking of which, do you guys still get the occasional hack attempt from Jessica Soules? She was in tight with Nizzlet. No one was ever quite able to explain how she was able to get staff account names and passwords without any failed login attempts.

Nice...

Bardalicious
06-18-2014, 11:44 PM
WTF are you talking about VPN this isn't the movie hackers, it's an MMO the mobs and players load from server side, not client. The server has to know your correct traceroute or mobs won't load. You would have to hack the server literally to play on a banned IP or Mac, VPN IP masking does not work when the world loads from client and mobs load from server side.

Otherwise everyone would override the dual boxing rule by VPN masking IP or ghosting IP address.

If they want to fucking ban you for life, trust me they can!



http://oi44.tinypic.com/2iqzrrm.jpg

Nirgon
06-18-2014, 11:45 PM
Duke took probs the most serious pixel hit since NordenwatchLeaks.

The pixels in my blood felt his pain.


I don't think I can diminish that punishment and say "oh he's fine" tbh.

Gaanon
06-18-2014, 11:46 PM
I hope he has a fucking heart attack from the stress.

Gaanon
06-18-2014, 11:48 PM
What are you talking about?

Trying to sound ambiguous is coming across like corruption to anyone with common sense. And I'm not even accusing you of being corrupt so I don't know why you acting so shady!

I'll spell it out plainly.

Sektor bought gear from Nizzar! You banned Sektor! Gear gone, problem solved.

Nizzar sold tons of gear to MANY MANY people!

Sektor=Buy

Nizzar=Sell

Banning a guy from selling is not solved by banning his accounts, when he simply levels another character up to 60 in days, and begins the process all over again!

So how does the punishment fit the crime when Sektor lost all the gear he BOUGHT! and Nizzar has been banned for RMT TWICE ONCE ON BLUE ONCE ON RED! AND it should be apparent by now that banning his accounts does not solve the problem nor stop him from starting it back up again!

He does make this a shit hole(Nizzar), and leads the entire "reputation doesn't matter" it's all about business and you must block all competition from raid mobs to keep the price up.

Maybe Syft isn't completely retarded.

oil
06-18-2014, 11:52 PM
I love how kids nowadays do not even understand what hacking is they think of computers like wizardry. A hack is smash and grab like a bank robbery you get in and get out before the cops show up.

People hack things to get information and then end the connection! You mask or ghost an IP from an alternate location before traceroute can designate the original location.

A MMO requires a steady connection between client and server, you cannot maintain a steady connection of packet flow without the point of origin being determined.

There is only one way around it and I assure you it is not masking, ghosting or connecting through a VPN!

http://s24.postimg.org/i34951qar/giphy.gif

oil
06-18-2014, 11:57 PM
http://s27.postimg.org/jvx1strur/tumblr_inline_mk16930_Ox81qfhqfu.gif

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 12:01 AM
Speaking of which, do you guys still get the occasional hack attempt from Jessica Soules? She was in tight with Nizzlet. No one was ever quite able to explain how she was able to get staff account names and passwords without any failed login attempts.

Pras paying Nizzar's bills, I may not be a mastermind, but I'm no ones bitch.

oil
06-19-2014, 12:02 AM
The only people that are hating on me are...

A. People that hate on any post I make

or

B. Nihilum members for obvious reasons.

They can manually ban him, I know this, the staff knows this.

Banning a few accounts of a guy who can start his RMT ring up back up in literally days, is just waiting for the problem to restart. It doesn't seem to make any logical sense to just wait for a guy who has shown he'll destroy the server's economy for personal gain, to just do it again!

Trying to compare Sektor to Nizzar is like comparing a fly to dragon! Sure Sektor is guilty but he only effected his own toon. He didn't control the entire servers end game content and inflate the economy of the server just to put cash in his pocket!

i dont even know you and im not part of nihilum and never will be

i also hope you dont think im "hating on you"

you say banning nizzar is not enough. what do you want to do? sue the guy? no, they just ban him and ban everyone who bought from him.. maybe it took a while to get the list proven beyond a reasonable doubt but it still is bannable.. ban em all

if they come back thats fine. every scumbag deserves a chance. put their ip on watch and ban them again as soon as they rmt. its not challenging

oil
06-19-2014, 12:05 AM
if you see them back after an rmt ban, maybe its possible they stopped... inconceivable?

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 12:07 AM
Considering he RMT'd with an e-mail linked to one of his EMU accounts, I think that's easily remedied.

Shit can be done so many ways - like sell to blue and RMT there (which is what I always thought he did for the majority)

The guy said when I was in Nihi that he had reached 500k Red Plat and it gained probably quite a bit more - That's like 2 mil blue? What's that worth, plus the massive items, whatever.

oil
06-19-2014, 12:12 AM
LOL how is that possible you want the staff to what? Monitor his paypal? lol There is no way to catch someone of RMT unless someone like Sektor rats him out.

This is the second RMT ring Nizzar has been banned for! Notice I say RING! not one item but many mnay items sold. So many that it literally destroyed the economy! Some drop items were going for 10x the normal live amounts because Nizzar only sold them for RL cash!

He would literally store 25 selo's drums instead of sell them for a reasonable price!

His guild literally once dropped server pop here to 30 members of only his own guild by putting a stranglehold on end game content! How many chances do you give a guy to destroy a server?

stopped reading at first sentence


its an insult to the staff to suggest there is no way to catch rmt

and also dum.. why dont you go try it

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 12:13 AM
If you can watch Sektors video, and stay in Nihilum, you're a bitch.

Nothing wrong with it pal, world needs lemmings.

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 12:15 AM
Considering he RMT'd with an e-mail linked to one of his EMU accounts, I think that's easily remedied.

Shit can be done so many ways - like sell to blue and RMT there (which is what I always thought he did for the majority)

The guy said when I was in Nihi that he had reached 500k Red Plat and it gained probably quite a bit more - That's like 2 mil blue? What's that worth, plus the massive items, whatever.


LOL how is that possible you want the staff to what? Monitor his paypal? lol There is no way to catch someone of RMT unless someone like Sektor rats him out.

This is the second RMT ring Nizzar has been banned for! Notice I say RING! not one item but many mnay items sold. So many that it literally destroyed the economy! Some drop items were going for 10x the normal live amounts because Nizzar only sold them for RL cash!

He would literally store 25 selo's drums instead of sell them for a reasonable price!

His guild literally once dropped server pop here to 30 members of only his own guild by putting a stranglehold on end game content! How many chances do you give a guy to destroy a server?

If you can watch Sektors video, and stay in Nihilum, you're a bitch.

Nothing wrong with it pal, world needs lemmings.



http://i.imgur.com/k4omNCD.gif

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 12:15 AM
I think Herb called them wage slaves.

Bardalicious
06-19-2014, 12:16 AM
LOL how is that possible you want the staff to what? Monitor his paypal? lol There is no way to catch someone of RMT unless someone like Sektor rats him out.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-FBpBt0derNw/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/BaCVyrP3wQA/photo.jpg

oil
06-19-2014, 12:17 AM
Yea your Nihi alt nuff said, Because there is literally no way to prove ya gave an item away vs sold it for RL cash!

lol nihi alt

i wish

btw there is literally ways

oil
06-19-2014, 12:22 AM
ok ill show you the step by step process used by actual fbi rmt investigators

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.switched.com/media/2010/06/johnnymnemonic.jpg

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 12:27 AM
Syft is moving up some notches in my book.

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 12:27 AM
Ok then explain how you would prove someone RMT'd vs gave something away! Because ya can't dude, your just trolling like an idiot!

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-21954-Hodor-Deal-With-It-gif-ibpE.gif

oil
06-19-2014, 12:29 AM
brah

you have to realize hundreds of people have been banned for rmt-related crimes against humanity over the course of several ban waves since p99 inception

they have automated systems to flag you, review the flags, and then approve the ban

or at least just approve all automated flags-bans and then review disputes

maybe the most powerful of these rely on flagging a distributor for an extended period and anyone who HE gives a free item to or /splits money to is flagged... etc

systems brah

brah

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 12:30 AM
So basically you can't answer his question?

Bardalicious
06-19-2014, 12:30 AM
Syft is moving up some notches in my book.

Your credibility is already such that nobody takes your posts seriously. You're not helping yourself any further with comments like these in a thread that Syft (incorrectly) tries to explain why you can't play EverQuest on a VPN connection.

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 12:33 AM
Your credibility is already such that nobody takes your posts seriously. You're not helping yourself any further with comments like these in a thread that Syft (incorrectly) tries to explain why you can't play EverQuest on a VPN connection.

His RMT analysis is bang on from my eyes - Nizzar had a new 60 war Nizze a week later, and smooth talked his guild into believing he won't RMT anymore, and that it was only 40$.

All his computer talk, I don't fucking know you nerds can discuss that shit - ps you sucked on Altergate, no idea who you play here.

oil
06-19-2014, 12:35 AM
So basically you can't answer his question?

his question that you cant differentiate giving away items from rmt?

well i'll try but im no expert

maybe you can sell your ykesha to your neighbor joe without anyone knowing whats up. you make the one-sided trade and thats it thats all. you get away rmt clean

maybe then you say ok sally, susy, you can have some stuff too. the whole neighborhood can have it.

maybe that cant be detected unless it reaches nizzarr-level status. but if any one of those joe, sally, suzies slips up.. you're suddenly liable

its easy to track these items in the game

i dont know if that answers the question but its not hard to look suspicious is all im sayin, particularly when it ramps up and you slip up

then once a distributor is legitimately caught, everyone who bought from him in the past will show up in logs and is flagged

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 12:37 AM
his question that you cant differentiate giving away items from rmt?

well i'll try but im no expert

maybe you can sell your ykesha to your neighbor joe without anyone knowing whats up. you make the one-sided trade and thats it thats all. you get away rmt clean

maybe then you say ok sally, susy, you can have some stuff too. the whole neighborhood can have it.

maybe that cant be detected unless it reaches nizzarr-level status. but if any one of those joe, sally, suzies slips up.. you're suddenly liable

its easy to track these items in the game

i dont knoe if that answers the question but its not hard is all im sayin

I'm no RMT master, but what if he sells items from the guildbank to guildies for alts with plat (like he does) and then transfers that to blue and RMT's it there?

I don't think he sells items to randoms, that would be easy to get caught - he sells to guildies, most often for plat, sometimes for money if approached (gyno, vaporize, Sektor, etc)

How would you prove any of this unless people ratted him out(which happened)

Bardalicious
06-19-2014, 12:38 AM
ps you sucked on Altergate, no idea who you play here.

Weird that you asked me to join Az when I started Bard on R99 then.

Altergate was fun. It was also my first experience playing a bard in pvp. Not hurting my feelings any pal. ;)

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 12:39 AM
It showed.

Gaffin 7.0
06-19-2014, 12:40 AM
the fuck is altergate?

oil
06-19-2014, 12:40 AM
is RMT still happening undetected? sure, a simple google search will show you its active

but if youre dumb enough to go through with it.. good luck with your account days, weeks, months, years (who knows) down the line

its not worth giving up your innocence

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 12:41 AM
Your characters are essentially entries in a database. All of your activities, inventory, coin, and trades exist. The only limitation to identifying RMT is one's time to investigate.

The problem with RMT, is that there is no real way to hide the distributor. So once you identify the distributor, you can link them to other characters by account, other accounts by IP...

Identifying the distributor is cake. You can query trades based on any criteria one can think of, whether it be in stacks of gems, large round numbers, or a series of casino trades that don't add up to the statistical RNG average.

Say you want to pop the guy running it. You lean on a peon to get a bit of information, like a phone number. A phone number is gold in an investigation. Second only to an SSN. Then you start to make them hate life until they realize that you're fucking crazy and they should profit off of some other MMO.

Can you please come GM here.

Gaffin 7.0
06-19-2014, 12:41 AM
oh nvm

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 12:45 AM
Weird that you asked me to join Az when I started Bard on R99 then.

Red99 is a numbers game, don't feel special. Fucking static timers don't get me going.

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 12:46 AM
Say you want to pop the guy running it. You lean on a peon to get a bit of information, like a phone number. A phone number is gold in an investigation. Second only to an SSN. Then you start to make them hate life until they realize that you're fucking crazy and they should profit off of some other MMO.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z101/blixa14/unused%20gifs/cuckoo.gif

oil
06-19-2014, 12:47 AM
the real justice, probably the point of this thread in the first place, should come from the community

from what i hear, nizze didnt even bother to hide his identity when he returned

nihilum should b laughing stock of the server right about now.. oh wait ady was

Bardalicious
06-19-2014, 12:50 AM
Red99 is a numbers game, don't feel special. Fucking static timers don't get me going.

I guess that's why you white knight against people like Nizzar while harboring people like Sektor.

L O L.

Gaffin 7.0
06-19-2014, 12:50 AM
ip's and vpn's cant hide the .dll hook on your computer that shit can pull whatever rogean wants GG

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 12:51 AM
sounds legal

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 12:52 AM
your so passionate!

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 12:53 AM
I guess that's why you white knight against people like Nizzar while harboring people like Sektor.

L O L.

I don't care much that Nizzar makes money, or that Sektor buys shit - I just think that the end game is all business, and it's gay.

Farming shit you don't need forever, stagnant end game, no new guilds, no change.

I could care less about the money, it ruins the box - and Nihi go along with it, Sektor hardly ruins anything - he just likes his pixels too much.

I get without Sektors there would be no Nizz, but that's honestly not true either considering I bet he makes most of his money from Blue, and Red is all plat sales.

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 12:55 AM
There is one fact in eqemu investigation. No one arrived here with the prior intention of being a shitbag who would only profit by breaking the rules.

What that means for practical applications, is that everyone - even those who use completely separate accounts for their illegatimate activities and shuffle their IPs through VPNs, spoofing, tor, etc, have some connection back to their original account.

You want to know what that connection is 90% of the time?

It's not the IP address or any other forensic trail that leads back. It's that people can't keep their shit straight and more often than not have taken extreme precautions to hide their tracks to knobslobber2, while their play account is knobslobber1

Red99 should vote in a single GM to be sheriff of Red99, or judge, etc. Uth would get mine +++

Bardalicious
06-19-2014, 12:59 AM
^^^^^^ Exactly I wasn't gonna spell it OUT!!!

But I'm glad somebody DID!!!! Propz To Gaffin!

Is there a way around even this!!! YES but I'll never tell you fucking computer noobs! Because I don't dual box or cheat and I won't tell you how to do it!

That has nothing to do with the retarded mongoloid nonsense in this post:

WTF are you talking about VPN this isn't the movie hackers, it's an MMO the mobs and players load from server side, not client. The server has to know your correct traceroute or mobs won't load. You would have to hack the server literally to play on a banned IP or Mac, VPN IP masking does not work when the world loads from client and mobs load from server side.

Otherwise everyone would override the dual boxing rule by VPN masking IP or ghosting IP address.

If they want to fucking ban you for life, trust me they can!

You're still retarded.

mrproudbeard
06-19-2014, 01:05 AM
Some real 1984 level doublethink going on around here if people think that the sellers are the only ones culpable in the RMT game. Supply side only exists because there is a demand side. If you want to get rid of RMT, ostracize both. It wouldn't be hard for the players to start doing this with known RMTers. No one has the will to do it. Probably because deep down, no one actually gives a shit about RMT.

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 01:06 AM
dick tracy

everquest










emulator

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 01:09 AM
I don't care if people sell pixels.

But making it a business to control end game and control the sales is I don't know, going too far?

If I sold an item to someone in Az, it would end there, but making a business around it really is far more of a problem than some random buyer.

In the end, taking control of all content to sell shit for RMT - and never stopping, ruins the feel of a good EQ box.

R Flair
06-19-2014, 01:28 AM
Nizzar sold tons of gear to MANY MANY people!


what no prof? You sound almost as dumb exposing this guy as you do trying to explain how hacking works.


If you can watch Sektors video, and stay in Nihilum, you're a bitch.

Nothing wrong with it pal, world needs lemmings.

If you can stomach even being around a self righteous snitch rambling on with his quivering voice, you're a bitch.

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 01:30 AM
Dude you really do know your shit! Soandso is dirty as fuck I once caught him using old modified showeq compile I saw two other players here use, one of them I got banned when I had progs running to detect it!

If he's willing to use compiles I have no doubt he's RMt'ing, the two run hand and hand!

https://p.gr-assets.com/540x540/fit/hostedimages/1380378818/734661.gif

Potus
06-19-2014, 01:31 AM
I preferred a more "hands-on" approach to acquiring evidence. A sting I did. Enjoy:

So did you buy his account or what?

Sektor
06-19-2014, 01:34 AM
always cool when an ex gm responds here, good posts.

R Flair
06-19-2014, 01:46 AM
Him getting banned was proof your mouth blather is propaganda, look up propaganda vs proof.

It's not my fault if you don't understand how IP, masking, ghosting, spoofing works. There's only so much I can explain on forums to people who wish to look cool without having any actual knowledge of the subject.

Nah, you're allegation is a large scale operation, not a couple sales to 1 dude who bought shit from half the server. tard.

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 02:38 AM
Nah, you're allegation is a large scale operation, not a couple sales to 1 dude who bought shit from half the server. tard.

You think it's just to one guy?

Did you read how Nizzar was talking to Sektor, and about how he pitched various items?

Sad bro, sheep syndrome is everything wrong in the world, this may just be a vid, but it's still disgusting.

Kergan
06-19-2014, 08:47 AM
WTF are you talking about VPN this isn't the movie hackers, it's an MMO the mobs and players load from server side, not client. The server has to know your correct traceroute or mobs won't load. You would have to hack the server literally to play on a banned IP or Mac, VPN IP masking does not work when the world loads from client and mobs load from server side.

Otherwise everyone would override the dual boxing rule by VPN masking IP or ghosting IP address.

If they want to fucking ban you for life, trust me they can!

This is quite literally the dumbest thing I've ever read on these forums. Try looking up what a VPN actually is before you spout off retarded shit please.

I mean, I knew you were a dumbass by your previous posts but at least you kept it to in game nonsense.

India
06-19-2014, 08:51 AM
WTF are you talking about VPN this isn't the movie hackers, it's an MMO the mobs and players load from server side, not client. The server has to know your correct traceroute or mobs won't load. You would have to hack the server literally to play on a banned IP or Mac, VPN IP masking does not work when the world loads from client and mobs load from server side.

Otherwise everyone would override the dual boxing rule by VPN masking IP or ghosting IP address.

If they want to fucking ban you for life, trust me they can!

LOL how did I miss this gem?!
What a tool

Kergan
06-19-2014, 08:58 AM
His RMT analysis is bang on from my eyes - Nizzar had a new 60 war Nizze a week later, and smooth talked his guild into believing he won't RMT anymore, and that it was only 40$.

All his computer talk, I don't fucking know you nerds can discuss that shit - ps you sucked on Altergate, no idea who you play here.

I think Azrael is just really disappointed we didn't crumble over Nizzar eating an RMT ban. Azrael saw what happened when Niz went on break and assumed the same thing would happen when he had a time out and all his accounts banned.

Sorry things didn't work out for you. In the end, most people are like me and didn't give two flying shits he RMT'd. He paid for his crimes losing hundreds if not thousands of hours of work on his characters. All of Nihilum paid for his crimes by our guild banks getting banned.

And still, nobody really cared.

Why?

Because it's a game. The loot keeps rolling in, the guild is stronger than ever with Tune at the helm. There is nothing you can do to stop us. That must be a depressing reality. You've played all your cards, you got what you wanted. It didn't help. Probably explains Lite going postal.

So go back to your pathetic begging of the staff to systematically change the game for your benefit so you may some day have a chance to compete. That seems to be your current guild strategy which will of course fail again like you guys always do.

Elderan
06-19-2014, 09:06 AM
WTF are you talking about VPN this isn't the movie hackers, it's an MMO the mobs and players load from server side, not client. The server has to know your correct traceroute or mobs won't load. You would have to hack the server literally to play on a banned IP or Mac, VPN IP masking does not work when the world loads from client and mobs load from server side.

Otherwise everyone would override the dual boxing rule by VPN masking IP or ghosting IP address.

If they want to fucking ban you for life, trust me they can!

Oh man...

This is like when your kid says the dumbest thing and you cant even respond to it. Except even my 6 year old has never said anything on this level of stupidity.

Xer0
06-19-2014, 09:09 AM
Oh man...

This is like when your kid says the dumbest thing and you cant even respond to it. Except even my 6 year old has never said anything on this level of stupidity.

What's hilarious is that recently I read a post (on a similar subject, maybe even from this thread) where Derubael (I believe it was derubael anyway) explained to some greath length why the hackers keep making it back and how it's not really possible to just magically make sure an individual never gets back on.

edit:
It was this thread. Wow this guy is daft

O, I forgot, we should just press the magic "never play here again, scumbag!" button every-time we ban someone for RMT. It uses the powers of the internet wizards to make sure those people can never connect again.

heartbrand
06-19-2014, 09:10 AM
Lite and Stasis seem to think that the whole no one leaving nihilum over the nizzar ban is proof that the end game here is borked. I see it as proof of just how unappealing azrael is as a second option to everyone else. I mean azrael couldn't have asked for more things to go their way over the last three months. A population drive by the staff with tons of new players that coincided with nizzar leaving, huge exp bonus making it easy to level said new players, a stranglehold on end game content during this period, a RMT "scandal" in nihilum with its guild leader being banned and the guild bank, Wilan led Nihilum morale at an all time low, the collapse of red dawn with 30 level 60 free agents hitting the market; etc. And yet what did azrael do with what was some of the potential luckiest breaks EVER for a new guild? Release faggot gazzets with RL attacks on a weekly basis and put zero effort into recruiting and leveling outside of brobb and sektor, ostracize nacht and uprising, and pander to people like Salem and Chipp who don't give a fuck about competing. But ya, it's cuz there isn't variance or something LOL.

Tassador
06-19-2014, 09:19 AM
To early to read all this shit I will just chalk it up to more nilly loves holding hand 100 deep and azrael are those 30 year olds that still think wedgies and grab ass is acceptable adult behavior.

Kergan
06-19-2014, 09:26 AM
To early to read all this shit I will just chalk it up to more nilly loves holding hand 100 deep and azrael are those 30 year olds that still think wedgies and grab ass is acceptable adult behavior.

Hmm a surprisingly accurate description.

HippoNipple
06-19-2014, 10:10 AM
Lite and Stasis seem to think that the whole no one leaving nihilum over the nizzar ban is proof that the end game here is borked. I see it as proof of just how unappealing azrael is as a second option to everyone else. I mean azrael couldn't have asked for more things to go their way over the last three months. A population drive by the staff with tons of new players that coincided with nizzar leaving, huge exp bonus making it easy to level said new players, a stranglehold on end game content during this period, a RMT "scandal" in nihilum with its guild leader being banned and the guild bank, Wilan led Nihilum morale at an all time low, the collapse of red dawn with 30 level 60 free agents hitting the market; etc. And yet what did azrael do with what was some of the potential luckiest breaks EVER for a new guild? Release faggot gazzets with RL attacks on a weekly basis and put zero effort into recruiting and leveling outside of brobb and sektor, ostracize nacht and uprising, and pander to people like Salem and Chipp who don't give a fuck about competing. But ya, it's cuz there isn't variance or something LOL.

Pretty much, and I tried really hard to like Azrael.

Derubael
06-19-2014, 10:12 AM
What's hilarious is that recently I read a post (on a similar subject, maybe even from this thread) where Derubael (I believe it was derubael anyway) explained to some greath length why the hackers keep making it back and how it's not really possible to just magically make sure an individual never gets back on.

edit:
It was this thread. Wow this guy is daft

Please share your method of automatically blocking access to specific individuals. We are dying to hear it. Also, who said anything about hackers?

Elderan
06-19-2014, 10:14 AM
Please share your method of automatically blocking access to specific individuals. We are dying to hear it. Also, who said anything about hackers?

Do you have any mafia connections? Only permanent method I can think of.

heartbrand
06-19-2014, 10:16 AM
You would never be able to automatically block access, but I'm sure if you banned enough of a persons re-rolls after substantial time was put into leveling them, they'd pack their bags and leave. Note, I'm not suggesting this course of action be taken in this scenario, just that you don't need to deny someone access to being able to log onto p99 in order to deter them from playing.

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 10:22 AM
Lite and Stasis seem to think that the whole no one leaving nihilum over the nizzar ban is proof that the end game here is borked. I see it as proof of just how unappealing azrael is as a second option to everyone else. I mean azrael couldn't have asked for more things to go their way over the last three months. A population drive by the staff with tons of new players that coincided with nizzar leaving, huge exp bonus making it easy to level said new players, a stranglehold on end game content during this period, a RMT "scandal" in nihilum with its guild leader being banned and the guild bank, Wilan led Nihilum morale at an all time low, the collapse of red dawn with 30 level 60 free agents hitting the market; etc. And yet what did azrael do with what was some of the potential luckiest breaks EVER for a new guild? Release faggot gazzets with RL attacks on a weekly basis and put zero effort into recruiting and leveling outside of brobb and sektor, ostracize nacht and uprising, and pander to people like Salem and Chipp who don't give a fuck about competing. But ya, it's cuz there isn't variance or something LOL.

Lol

Kergan
06-19-2014, 10:42 AM
Losing the time invested in characters/items is punishment enough for nearly every crime committed on this server. Ban their shit and move on, who cares if they want to keep playing.

Exception being people using hacks or DoS'ing. Or posting dicks in the normal forums.

Derubael
06-19-2014, 10:50 AM
You would never be able to automatically block access, but I'm sure if you banned enough of a persons re-rolls after substantial time was put into leveling them, they'd pack their bags and leave. Note, I'm not suggesting this course of action be taken in this scenario, just that you don't need to deny someone access to being able to log onto p99 in order to deter them from playing.

Absolutely, but this solution is usually only reserved for the worst of the worst. The platlords, or dupe exploiters, 3rd party program distributors, etc.

One would think... but this has been necessary a few times in the past... (Ralph being one great example) and they just don't give up.

And then there's this :( And the really bad ones always come back.

Koota
06-19-2014, 11:08 AM
http://youlookfiiine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/kitty.jpg

no chewie dont
06-19-2014, 11:09 AM
3rd party program distributors

map hax imo

Kergan
06-19-2014, 11:16 AM
map hax imo

Honestly why isn't the map shit considered a 3rd party program that gives an advantage? SEQ doesn't hack anything and just reads data already being sent to your computer (just like this map thing) but is considered a big bad no-no.

Just not understanding why the map thing is condoned and SEQ isn't.

no chewie dont
06-19-2014, 11:20 AM
the way it was explained to me is that people who know how to navigate zones have an advantage over others. so, by allowing players who dont want to know how to navigate a zone to simply run 3rd party map hacks it removes the skill gap that would exist, helping create more meaningful pvp in a more even setting

sounds legit

a 3rd party "/stick utility" is next NOT A HACK THO

Kergan
06-19-2014, 11:24 AM
Well, I am not really familiar with where named mobs spawn so to alleviate that skill gap I'll run SEQ on a 2nd machine with a NIC in promiscuous mode and port mirror my shit in order to remain undetectable.

I assume that still works like it did back in '99 anyway.

no chewie dont
06-19-2014, 11:27 AM
if the technology theoretically could have existed in 1999 its classic

Kergan
06-19-2014, 11:42 AM
LMFAO I just explained what the DLL hook does! You fucking kids are hilarious you don't understand masking spoofing, ghosting. Saying I'm dumb and like a troll of lemmings yet can't refute anything I said!

Because you don't understand what I'm talking about! A former dev even confirms it and still you idiots try to jump down a black hole of trolling not even realizing that your making yourselves look like idiots!

God damn you're dumb. Nobody is calling you an idiot because of anything related to DLL hooks. People are calling you an idiot because of the retarded things you said about how VPNs work.

Bardalicious
06-19-2014, 11:51 AM
BUT THE WORLD LOADS FROM CLIENT SIDE AND THE MOBS LOAD FROM SERVER SIDE THUS A VPN DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE OF TRACEROUTE!!

Bardalicious
06-19-2014, 11:53 AM
Hahaha Syft backpedaling so fucking hard after spouting off complete and utter bullshit about why a VPN doesn't work.

GHOSTING! SPOOFING!! MASKING!!! If I randomly interject these into a sentence enough maybe someone will think I know how to turn my computer on by myself! :o

Kergan
06-19-2014, 12:01 PM
It's because of the DLL hook that a VPN does not work here you fucking idiot! All the DLL hook does is what a DEV can do manually, automatically!

that's why the VPN does not work you idiot! How slow do I have to say it for you to understand it!

Haha, backpedaling hard. Sorry, if you weren't such a total douchfag all the time I'd let it go.

WTF are you talking about VPN this isn't the movie hackers, it's an MMO the mobs and players load from server side, not client. The server has to know your correct traceroute or mobs won't load.

Let's just dissect this little gem for a moment. It clearly has nothing to do with DLLs, and you speak specifically about how a VPN operates. More specifically how a magical "traceroute" operates. I am about 98% sure after reading JUST this part you have no idea how the internet actually works. The remaining 2% is removed with the next part of your post:


You would have to hack the server literally to play on a banned IP or Mac, VPN IP masking does not work when the world loads from client and mobs load from server side.

Otherwise everyone would override the dual boxing rule by VPN masking IP or ghosting IP address.


Now we can talk a little more about what exactly you seem to think a VPN is, and what it is used for. You realize that a VPN is not an "IP masking" or "IP ghosting" software right? The fact your actual IP isn't exposed is just a side effect of how VPNs operate.

And you realize again that TONS OF FUCKING PEOPLE override the dual boxing rule by running a VM session on their PC and VPNing from it right?

Lastly I want to call out a particular statement because of its exceptional retardation factor.


VPN IP masking does not work when the world loads from client and mobs load from server side.

VPN IP masking does not work when the world loads from client and mobs load from server side.

VPN IP masking does not work when the world loads from client and mobs load from server side.

What the fuck does this even mean? Seriously?

Kergan
06-19-2014, 12:04 PM
Do you understand what packet flow is? Or do you think you can get a package from UPS without giving them your address?

Internet connection is the same as a phone trace stay connected long enough you will be found.

There are ways around it but it would be irresponsible to explain them here.

God damn dude. You are dealing with an elf sim nerd forum full of IT pros. Just shut the fuck up already or you're going to get torn a new virtual asshole.

Silent
06-19-2014, 12:09 PM
I also laughed pretty hard when I read the whole 'VPNs don't work because of server and clients loading differently and traceroute.....'

Please explain in more detail, by all means Syft. Would love to read what you could re-hash from wikipedia/google about VPNs/packets/traceroute to make it sound like you know something without straight up copy pasting word for word wiki.

Iandyan
06-19-2014, 12:15 PM
Other times, it's a guild who lets one of their members get caught training, then publicly throws them under the bus while privately letting them play another account for the duration of their punishment.

Never underestimate people's determination to be pieces of shit.

LOL! It's the "account" that's banned right.

I'd think hacking or otherwise messing with the server would be the top priority for the CSR staff's investigations with RMT coming in at a way behind 2nd place.

Unless staff are trolling the RMT websites daily hoping for someone dumb enough to have an account on those sites with the same name as their p99 login. I bet it's happened.

Silent
06-19-2014, 12:16 PM
Oh man I took 2 minutes to take a leak and by time I posted people beat me to it oh well. Syft is just showing how little he knows. Either he truly believes this is how things operate or he is just tossing around a bunch of words to make it sound believable like he does in game with other things. But one place you are always going to be outnerded for sure is on a forums of a 15 year old elf sim that people play for fun, A lot of whom work in this line of business or have way more experience then you do in all things internet.

Nirgon
06-19-2014, 12:20 PM
VPN in a nutshell: an IP address is like a street address. Consider a VPN a P.O. box. It isn't where you live, but you can use it and get still get shit that's addressed to you, without anyone ever knowing your real address.

Now, that isn't the only purpose a VPN can serve, and not all VPNs actually do this. But for the purposes of this conversation, yeah. It's a thing. Neither difficult nor extraordinary. I have three VPNs I can and do connect to regularly, depending on the need. One of them gives me an IP address wherever the fuck I want it. One of them just lets me work on a website.

Really hard to find the guy with nearly the same name as his other chars on a 60-80 person server getting PL'd by his guildies 24-7 btw, right?


I'd much prefer Uthgaard as red server GM and Sirken/Derubael not having to split their focus. I know Sirken likes to be the head GM, and has pvp server background but pretty much anyone deserves a break from dealing with red + blue at the same time. Sirken's also done a pretty good job dealing with things here/promoting the server and defending it despite how he has to fight with one hand tied behind his back most of the time.

I'd say Uthgaard is uniquely qualified to deal with the average scum/lead a very zealous crusade to keep certain people from playing. Most people don't have that kind of patience and certainly don't get a thrill out of that kind of battle of the wills like he does.

India
06-19-2014, 12:21 PM
There are ways around it but it would be irresponsible to explain them here.

hahahahahhh Ohh go ahead and try :)

India
06-19-2014, 12:22 PM
Really hard to find the guy with nearly the same name as his other chars on a 60-80 person server getting PL'd by his guildies 24-7 btw, right?


I'd much prefer Uthgaard as red server GM and Sirken/Derubael not having to split their focus. I know Sirken likes to be the head GM, and has pvp server background but pretty much anyone deserves a break from dealing with red + blue at the same time. Sirken's also done a pretty good job dealing with things here/promoting the server and defending it despite how he has to fight with one hand tied behind his back most of the time.

I'd say Uthgaard is uniquely qualified to deal with the average scum/lead a very zealous crusade to keep certain people from playing. Most people don't have that kind of patience and certainly don't get a thrill out of that kind of battle of the wills like he does.

Seconded! I would love to have Uth back as GM

Nirgon
06-19-2014, 12:23 PM
You should have to apply to be able to have VM ware running at the same time as EQ emu running p99 much like IP exemptions. I thought Rogean's DLL or w/e kept track of running processes? Fucked if I know if it could even detect VMware running or not, I have about 0 experience with it.

Nirgon
06-19-2014, 12:25 PM
Seconded! I would love to have Uth back as GM

We need someone who the players are afraid of even having to talk to or deal with if they fuck up here. Like, someone who is the most unreasonable asshole possible to habitual cheaters/RMTers. I got the gist that Uthgaard tried to make it a miserable experience for people who made playing on the server a miserable experience. Honestly, if you have to get a visit from a GM twice a month? He should be breaking your balls constantly and giving you the short of the stick wherever possible. It's only the right way to do things with the current mindset of cheat/shit on the server as much as possible and just lie your way out of it or feign ignorance (seriously the stories I have seen believed here lol). This server's population needs its back broken in terms of their default mindset of how they think they should be able to act here.


IE: People who make shit up constantly in petitions trying to get people banned.
IE: RMTers rerolling
IE: People who have previously been caught exploiting
IE: People who constantly try to rule lawyer when blatantly and openly trying to bend the rules and be a total pain in the ass

Every single person I have talked to that had a problem with Uthgaard, I'm 100% sure deserved it or had a history of being a pain in the ass to others... literally without exception.

What this server needs is guild leaders freaked out by the thought that a GM might show up and deal with things. GM Ozuri was like this during our Velious war on RZ... slowly (not that slowly tbh) but surely, punishments/handlings became more severe until all the scum was run off and guild leaders really started cracking down on their members not to cause the staff to show up or become involved.

Clark
06-19-2014, 12:32 PM
I'm against all RMT, but there is a big difference between someone who buys gear for their toon and someone who makes a business out of fucking guild mates from loot they earned for him.

If you can't see that then maybe this looks like a hot chick to you

http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2009/8/74%20Dee%20Tranny.jpg

Good post it's sickening how he abuses guildmates. Fucking bum ass nizzar.

Clark
06-19-2014, 12:36 PM
Every single person I have talked to that had a problem with Uthgaard, I'm 100% sure deserved it or had a history of being a pain in the ass to others... literally without exception.

What this server needs is guild leaders freaked out by the thought that a GM might show up and deal with things. GM Ozuri was like this during our Velious war on RZ... slowly (not that slowly tbh) but surely, punishments/handlings became more severe until all the scum was run off and guild leaders really started cracking down on their members not to cause the staff to show up or become involved.

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 12:36 PM
Lite and Stasis seem to think that the whole no one leaving nihilum over the nizzar ban is proof that the end game here is borked. I see it as proof of just how unappealing azrael is as a second option to everyone else. I mean azrael couldn't have asked for more things to go their way over the last three months. A population drive by the staff with tons of new players that coincided with nizzar leaving, huge exp bonus making it easy to level said new players, a stranglehold on end game content during this period, a RMT "scandal" in nihilum with its guild leader being banned and the guild bank, Wilan led Nihilum morale at an all time low, the collapse of red dawn with 30 level 60 free agents hitting the market; etc. And yet what did azrael do with what was some of the potential luckiest breaks EVER for a new guild? Release faggot gazzets with RL attacks on a weekly basis and put zero effort into recruiting and leveling outside of brobb and sektor, ostracize nacht and uprising, and pander to people like Salem and Chipp who don't give a fuck about competing. But ya, it's cuz there isn't variance or something LOL.

I know that you hate Lite enough that you think this is relevant, but you're really just not getting it.

Derubael
06-19-2014, 12:37 PM
It's because of the DLL hook that a VPN does not work here you fucking idiot! All the DLL hook does is what a DEV can do manually, automatically!

that's why the VPN does not work you idiot! How slow do I have to say it for you to understand it!

The packet flow is a two way street! Those packets HOP past the VPN to your source! So it can be traced!

Like everyone else has stated, you don't know what you're talking about syft :D

I'm not going to argue with you, but you have no idea what the DLL even does, can't see what our login table looks like, and seem utterly clueless to what tunneling is or how IP's are sent and received in the first place.

Unless I misread his post, Uthgaard was referring to something completely different not even related to anything you were talking about. But it went right over your head because, again, you don't actually know what the DLL does.

I think you gave us all a good laugh though.

but the VPN acts as a big internet condom.

I lol'd. Yes Syft, he's showing a completely different IP in this post compared to his others. The destination IP used is the interface you are tunneled into. After that the header is discarded and an entirely new header is placed on the packet and sent back to your home machine. Unless your VPN records IP's (some do, some don't), there's no way to casually uncover the home IP.

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 12:37 PM
We need someone who the players are afraid of even having to talk to or deal with if they fuck up here. Like, someone who is the most unreasonable asshole possible to habitual cheaters/RMTers. I got the gist that Uthgaard tried to make it a miserable experience for people who made playing on the server a miserable experience. Honestly, if you have to get a visit from a GM twice a month? He should be breaking your balls constantly and giving you the short of the stick wherever possible. It's only the right way to do things with the current mindset of cheat/shit on the server as much as possible and just lie your way out of it or feign ignorance (seriously the stories I have seen believed here lol). This server's population needs its back broken in terms of their default mindset of how they think they should be able to act here.

/signed

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 12:39 PM
Why not have a half psychotic crazy person police a bunch of psychotic crazy people?

HippoNipple
06-19-2014, 12:40 PM
Uthgaard seems to have the right attitude and intelligence to be a great GM but he also sounds crazy. I think it could end up being a liability when he resorts to calling someone at work or their cell phone threatening their life because they broke a rule on an emulator.

The part on this thread where he mentions that he looks for peoples phone numbers or better yet their SSN, I begin to think having this guy monitor all the players here would be a mistake.

Nirgon
06-19-2014, 12:41 PM
He's really not crazy in his general dealings with normal people.

If you put him around crazy, he will fight fire with fire every single time.

I know Rogean would probably never let Uthgaard back on staff after their tiff and Uthgaard probably wouldn't want to GM red but if he did and was given completely free reign (something else Rogean doesn't give GMs), I'd be smiling hard as hell.

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 12:44 PM
Having a known RMTer from blue come and lead a guild, have a 95% raid attendance over years.

Get caught RMTing, and still actively plays a new warrior that was 60 a week later.

Interdasting, can't imagine why the shit rolls down hill on thsi box.

Nirgon
06-19-2014, 12:46 PM
If Uth would do it and could only touch red... I'd say release the kraken.

Sweetbaby Jesus
06-19-2014, 12:48 PM
Having a known RMTer from blue come and lead a guild, have a 95% raid attendance over years.

Get caught RMTing, and still actively plays a new warrior that was 60 a week later.

Interdasting, can't imagine why the shit rolls down hill on thsi box.
It took us 2 weeks to level him to 60

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 12:49 PM
Let me tell you the story of Ralph. Picture a time before the anti-hax dlls. No way to easily or verifiably confirm whether anyone was hacking without a lot of time and a lot of luck. Ralph was a druid, he had track. He had a perfectly viable excuse for knowing when mobs were up in the zone.

So he sat in Dagnor's Cauldron and farmed the everliving fuck out of Pearl Kedge Totems. Ralph also 2boxed an EC account, on which he kept all of his money, and from which he sold the PKTs. Months passed, with Ralph supporting his actual living expenses by doing this.

One day, a brand new guide named Uthgaard gets a petition from Ralph. Someone trained him while he was sleeping and waiting for the timer to wake him up. Ralph was now level 30. It was too late for all but a few rezzes, and Uthgaard just didn't have the access to help poor Ralph.

Then, not two days later, it happened again. Ralph was down to level 20. This time, Ralph threw the biggest hissy fit ever thrown, and blamed the staff. Well, Ralph took some of his proceeds and reinvested in his business, securing a powerlevel back up to 40.

The person who trained Ralph secretly came forward and confessed. They did it because they were tired of him locking down the PKT, and they also knew he was using MQ2. Armed with that knowledge, Ralph managed to get busted, after having wasted most of his profits on relevelling. Ralph wasn't going to be able to pay his bills.

His alt was still a secret however, and he used his money to buy a new Druid. This new druid did exactly the same thing for about a month before anyone figured it out. But he still had this alt where he kept all of his money. He couldn't afford a new character anymore, so he just made a new one, gave it a PKT, and started levelling. He made it to mistmoore before someone ratted him out for two-boxing.

But that still wasn't the last time Ralph showed his face. Sometimes it's one person just being determined. Other times, it's a guild who lets one of their members get caught training, then publicly throws them under the bus while privately letting them play another account for the duration of their punishment.

Never underestimate people's determination to be pieces of shit.

If a power level from 20-40 ran Ralph dry of all operating liquidity then Ralph is a retard and or you falsely accused him of being a hacker/rmter and or you just wasted your time being an Internet detective and investigated someone for making 25 cents an hour on a 15 year old game.

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 12:51 PM
Or these kids are scraggly looking losers with yellow teeth who probably live welfare style lifestyles, and just play EQ all day?

I doubt anyone thinks Nizz is a high roller, but he does ruin the box.

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 12:51 PM
I don't even have this shit installed anymore. I just come here because I'm the kind of guy that can't see a hornet's nest and not swat it.

I will never dev with sundawg derping all over my faction tables.
I don't want to GM and deal with the endless political bullshit and constant upstream second guessing from people who are out of touch with what's actually going on.
The best you'll ever see is an event or two. All of my events were really successful, and it's a positive, low stress thing.

Are you aware Sundawg is Arzak and he's in Nihilum? LOL.

Nirgon
06-19-2014, 12:52 PM
I don't want to GM and deal with the endless political bullshit and constant upstream second guessing from people who are out of touch with what's actually going on.


Exactly the reason the GM in charge of the server needs to have free reign and not someone higher up/that has no idea what's going on holding them back while the corrupt player base makes a mockery of their efforts to enforce.

I don't blame you.

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 12:53 PM
Probably the reason all GM's just don't give a fuck, why would they - just go GM on blue where it's all good.

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 12:54 PM
Uthgaard on a side note, I don't know if you can answer this.

Lately we've had Simulated Repops and it made the server have multiple contesting guilds.

Rogean is busy IRL or w/e and they went away for a month or so - now it's back to one guild static mob farming.

The question I have - how difficult would it be to code random repops that don't require a Rogean trigger, if you know or should I give up on the dream?

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 12:55 PM
Uthgaard got fired and pretends he won't come back at his own discretion while bashing current gms and developers






What a clown

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 12:56 PM
He probably lost his mind with a bullshit system, don't blame that at all.

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 12:58 PM
Uthgaard such a bitter ex of project99

You think anyone gives 2 flying fucks about what u did 3 years ago on a blue server?

You are famous for getting caught handing someone a level 60 rogue with epic aren't you?

Wasn't Paymelinda your rmt investigation partner?






Loooooooooooool

Derubael
06-19-2014, 12:58 PM
subnets and routers and NAT oh my!



You're literally just throwing words together now ;)

I think we've been gettin' trolled. I'm going back to the petition forum. And btw, I did answer your question, twice, go back and read more carefully.

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 01:03 PM
It wouldn't be hard at all. If they've actually committed to simulated repops, and Rogean is busy, kanras or haynar are both qualified to do this.

And for the record, if you think anyone was fired, you just show how little you really know about the history of the server. And no peon's opinion is really worth rehashing old drama. Google that shit yourself.

Thx I figured, fuck this place.

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 01:06 PM
Literally don't care

Paymelinda + Uthgaard

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 01:09 PM
Figuratively don't care

Uthgaard and paymelinda, investigations deptartment

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 01:12 PM
Amelinda used to tell me that the two groups of level 30-45's killed Naggy legit and she watched them.

Was a good time in the box.

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 01:13 PM
And Retti doesn't care or read any posts, he just stays on the forums all day everyday to reply.

DUH.

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 01:14 PM
Sounds like a typical case of partner in crime snitching on partner at the first sign of pressure

Weak minded faggots like u and sektors are what ruin this world we live in

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 01:15 PM
Later, Holocaust bitchslapped Nihi around and made Heartbrand RAT out Nihilum telling us their strat for putting Naggy in a wall, which we did the following two weeks before getting banned.

History lesson for all the disbelievers on how fucked this place is.

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 01:16 PM
Sounds like a typical case of partner in crime snitching on partner at the first sign of pressure

Weak minded faggots like u and sektors are what ruin this world we live in

Heartbrand snitched the Nihi strat to us, I'll await ur big disgust aka raid beside him and post all day.

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 01:17 PM
Heartbrand snitched the Nihi strat to us, I'll await ur big disgust aka raid beside him and post all day.

Oh you mean 3 yrs ago he told you how to kill a bright red dragon In norrath?

Csb

Elderan
06-19-2014, 01:18 PM
And that you can't block someone on the server, LOL which if your talking about by IP is exactly TRUE!

But lol false in the sense that their is a ton of other ways it can be done!

Please Syft tell us more. Give us your insight please.

Bardalicious
06-19-2014, 01:20 PM
I'm starting to think Syft is actually some genius mega troll. Nobody could be this vehemently ignorant.

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 01:21 PM
Oh you mean 3 yrs ago he told you how to kill a bright red dragon In norrath?

Csb

No he was a snitch who ruins the world we live in(your words which are stupid)

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 01:21 PM
You sure are dumb

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 01:24 PM
Uth has gained more respect from me today than any GM in the history of Red99, with one thread.

Talks to us like we aren't fucking retards, isn't completely naive. Knows his shit.

Good shit - I'm out peace fags.

Silent
06-19-2014, 01:24 PM
a lot of words that mean nothing! Typical Jupe post funny you talk about how other people know little but meanwhile you use an IP exemption to illegally dual box! lol

Sorry you took to long to jump on Nihi's dick! And make yourself look as stupid as they did

Typical reply from you, You are just another script kiddie trying to recycle garbage you thought you knew about and got shit on by 5+ different people in this thread so far. Go find sub7 or something and get back to learning how it makes you a real hacker.

Bardalicious
06-19-2014, 01:25 PM
inb4 Statis posts 20 more times ITT

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 01:26 PM
Gaanon - Uthgaard has climbed his respect ladder
Gaanon - syft has climbed his respect ladder

Big compliments big achievements

Sektor
06-19-2014, 01:27 PM
Poor rettiwalk burns bridges with any friends he has left. Just remember when you pretended to be someone on Nilly teamspeak and they found out who you were. I was the only person that defended and had your back risking my own membership. I argued with Ender everyday and I made sure to grab Nizzar attention letting him know you were worth keeping around. Remember when you told me you were quitting? I told you I had your back. I'm sure I was your last friend here. Good luck being in a guild of members that don't even like you. Not sure being in a guild like that is worth it.

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 01:30 PM
No I don't remember any of that

Waiting for u to be unhappy in azrael and rat them all out

Ur a rat and should have 0 friends

fiegi 8.0
06-19-2014, 01:30 PM
it never ceases to amaze me how fukin awful it sounds to be in nilly

sure you get pixels but at what cost.

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 01:33 PM
Oh paymelindas lacky won't give me a paddle

Sektor
06-19-2014, 01:34 PM
Well I can corroborate what he's claiming. I didn't know you and you've already managed to go from indifferent to scowling in a matter of about 30 minutes. If you were up a shit creek, I wouldn't toss you a paddle.

Nobody takes him seriously anymore and hes an awful cleric. Being in nilly makes you a rusty pvper.

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 01:35 PM
Nobody takes him seriously anymore and hes an awful cleric. Being in nilly makes you a rusty pvper.

Mad

Sektor
06-19-2014, 01:41 PM
Mad

I was in nilly and got rusty myself. Lack of pvp does that, not mad at all.

Kergan
06-19-2014, 01:59 PM
Yea and getting busted would be simple as dropping a modified tracking cookie, upon connection. Which you might be able to fool by Ghosting your drive. But apparently since you don't understand how VM sessions or a VPN can so easily be detected on a steady connection to a server, you most likely have no clue how to ghost a drive.

Do something for me. Do one of your magic traceroutes to like amazon.com, then make a VPN connection and do the same magical traceroute.

If you can explain why everyone thinks you're retarded after that, I'll lay off.

mrproudbeard
06-19-2014, 02:15 PM
All I know is I had syft on ignore before this thread because he generally seems retarded. I had to unignore him after seeing some of the quotes though because laughter is the best medicine in the world.

You should try to be a writer for a TV crime drama. You have technology NAILED.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU&feature=kp

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 02:18 PM
Kid uses the fastest computer in the public library

He knows his shit brews

Nirgon
06-19-2014, 02:32 PM
Wrong there too. It was me that got Amelinda canned, and she got blindsided. Once in a lifetime level trauma. She never even returned to visit the forums.

And never logged back onto AIM.

I was waiting with my harpoon.

Nirgon
06-19-2014, 02:39 PM
It wouldn't be hard at all. If they've actually committed to simulated repops, and Rogean is busy, kanras or haynar are both qualified to do this.


Oh. I got a question.


Kanras and Haynar can..... that's cool but I wouldn't bother High Priest Haynar for one extra thing ever and Kanras has made some solid mechanical fixes. Plus, it's not their server tbh, nor in their usual line of "responsibility" as they are completely removed from CSR.


Question tho. Who of the devs has the ability to do a server restart? Kanras/Haynar? How about Sundawg?

Husalah
06-19-2014, 02:40 PM
@uthgard
@derubael

If tracing the person behind the masked computer is so easy, why are people not being punished for blatant boxing?

Nirgon
06-19-2014, 02:42 PM
Pls, seriously answer my last question 4 me.

Kergan
06-19-2014, 02:56 PM
Trace route will only show the IP of the VPN, if the DLL Hook Rogean used relied on IP then every VPN would allow someone to dual box here, try it get back to me !

There's a difference between tracking packets to a source then there is using a trace route! A trace route is a one way street, server connection on an MMO is a two lane highway. Info can be sent back to the server that determines the user.

Dude you didn't even bring up DLL hooks until 5-6 posts into your madness. Nobody is talking about DLL hooks. DLL hooks are not why you are a retard. Anyone with half a brain can understand how a file on your computer will uniquely identify (shocker) your fucking computer. I'll six box from my computer completely undetected, it's easy as shit. Nothing being done here to detect cheating or two boxing is revolutionary or hard to circumvent. Those of us with brains are on a sort of honor system not to be douchebags and most of us aren't.

Your lack of understanding of how the internet, VPNs and traceroutes work is what is amusing us all. Plenty of people don't know these things, its why I'm massively overpaid to understand them. Just admit you don't and that you're talking out of your asshole and move on.

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 03:01 PM
Syft is as bright as a burnt out light bulb

Clark
06-19-2014, 03:07 PM
He's really not crazy in his general dealings with normal people.

If you put him around crazy, he will fight fire with fire every single time.

I know Rogean would probably never let Uthgaard back on staff after their tiff and Uthgaard probably wouldn't want to GM red but if he did and was given completely free reign (something else Rogean doesn't give GMs), I'd be smiling hard as hell.

Nirgon
06-19-2014, 03:08 PM
LOL I know exactly what your getting at and I would assume Sundawg/Arzak can reset the server.

I mean it's already obvious given the evidence. I just need the confirmation 8].

@ the very least it removes other people from suspicion of corruption and correctly assigns it.

R Flair
06-19-2014, 03:09 PM
Dude you didn't even bring up DLL hooks until 5-6 posts into your madness. Nobody is talking about DLL hooks. DLL hooks are not why you are a retard. Anyone with half a brain can understand how a file on your computer will uniquely identify (shocker) your fucking computer. I'll six box from my computer completely undetected, it's easy as shit. Nothing being done here to detect cheating or two boxing is revolutionary or hard to circumvent. Those of us with brains are on a sort of honor system not to be douchebags and most of us aren't.

Your lack of understanding of how the internet, VPNs and traceroutes work is what is amusing us all. Plenty of people don't know these things, its why I'm massively overpaid to understand them. Just admit you don't and that you're talking out of your asshole and move on.

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/body+slam_fdcc22_3788408.jpg

Nirgon
06-19-2014, 03:11 PM
You think Kergan telling Syft he doesn't know what the fuck he is saying about VPNs and IPs and shit is a body slam? Most of us ignored all that drivel.

Wait till you wear that Nilly tag with pride when it is outed that a dev in your guild ensured mobs stayed in the spawn windows they wanted (and I wonder to runs the guild, RMTs and told him to do it).

That's going to be a real body slam... bud.

Kergan
06-19-2014, 03:16 PM
Nirgon that is a really far fetched conspiracy theory, even from you!

I will say, if Rogean came in here right now and said Sundawg respawned/despawned mobs for the benefit of Nihilum I'll /guildremove. I can only assume the fact he is still a member of the dev team means he didn't use some very easy to track and constantly supervised commands to do something retarded like spawn a boss mob.

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 03:18 PM
Yes a dev wouldn't be able to push a server reset with garbage reasons.

I mean this is an EMU that no one gives a fuck about including Rogean, so far fetched.

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 03:21 PM
You think Kergan telling Syft he doesn't know what the fuck he is saying about VPNs and IPs and shit is a body slam? Most of us ignored all that drivel.

Wait till you wear that Nilly tag with pride when it is outed that a dev in your guild ensured mobs stayed in the spawn windows they wanted (and I wonder to runs the guild, RMTs and told him to do it).

That's going to be a real body slam... bud.

Nobody in Nihilum likes current timers

U think nilbog would let a volunteer faction dev have access to restarts? Lol...

That's quite the reach.

Nirgon
06-19-2014, 03:32 PM
Well I know Rogean isn't doing simulated repops so I doubt he did the 42 day resets.

It's only a stretch because he said Haynar/Kanras can do it but left just one special name out. Everything else adds up 8).

Derubael
06-19-2014, 04:04 PM
The only person who does server resets on live is Rogean. I don't even know if Nilbog can.

If you mean repops, thats a script you run at 250 access. Nilbog and Rogean are the only two with that command level.

Sundawg doesn't have an in-game access level. He can't use any commands at all on the live server. I think Nilbog has yelled at you guys about this before.

Pikrib
06-19-2014, 04:07 PM
Nobody in Nihilum likes current timers

U think nilbog would let a volunteer faction dev have access to restarts? Lol...

That's quite the reach.

I think Nirgon is refering to previous resets not anything recent. Please Uthgaard answer Nirgon's question if your still reading this thread.

Bardalicious
06-19-2014, 04:08 PM
Funny how Syft has attempted to steer his statement away from VPN's not allowing you to play on MMO's period towards not getting away with it because of the .dll (duh?).

Nobody was even talking about the .dll until Gaffin mentioned it many posts after your feeble attempt to explain VPN connections not working with MMOs.

We're all still laughing at you buddy.

Nirgon
06-19-2014, 04:09 PM
Just don't need to be blaming the wrong people

If your name isn't Uthgaard right now im not interested in the response tbh

Rogean and Sirken got a lot of undeserved shit for that issue I think so let's hear it


One response I am interested in is from Derubael and why he isn't more interested in this because it was another black eye the box didn't need and it should be cleared up and justice dispensed appropriately. Forgive me for jumping to conclusions on the above but my mind is pretty much made up unless otherwise is proven/stated.

Gaanon
06-19-2014, 04:16 PM
The only person who does server resets on live is Rogean. I don't even know if Nilbog can.

If you mean repops, thats a script you run at 250 access. Nilbog and Rogean are the only two with that command level.

Sundawg doesn't have an in-game access level. He can't use any commands at all on the live server. I think Nilbog has yelled at you guys about this before.

Could Sundawg pitch the idea or talk about why it's needed with people who can do it?

No mandatory server resets in 3 years, but when timers are pushed and Nihi losing mobs they were reset twice?

Dunno I wasn't 100% believer, but it might be worth looking into, hell Arzak coulda just PM'd Nilbog or Rogean and it isn't even documented on the forums.

This may be tinfoil hatting I agree, I don't know if I am even on board with reality on this 1. This was before when Kringe/Hughman and the other Dentists guys came back and played with Azrael - so fucken ancient history year + ago.

Husalah
06-19-2014, 04:23 PM
@uthgard
@derubael

If tracing the person behind the masked computer is so easy, why are people not being punished for blatant boxing?

Bardalicious
06-19-2014, 04:25 PM
inb4 Statis posts 20 more times ITT

Damn, he probably would have made it too if not for being banned again. :o

Nirgon
06-19-2014, 05:05 PM
Love when Uthgaard comes around :].

Have already notified Kringe that we have finally and correctly indentified the switchman.

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 05:06 PM
Nigron I love u but naw

Kergan
06-19-2014, 05:14 PM
I think if Nirgon got forum banned it would rip a hole in the space-time continuum. So for sake of my children and my children's children, Nirgon please stop making accusations towards the staff.

Nirgon
06-19-2014, 05:16 PM
8(

Nice knowin' ya if its true. You know I cannot stand for this.

Colgate
06-19-2014, 05:16 PM
I think if Nirgon got forum banned it would rip a hole in the space-time continuum. So for sake of my children and my children's children, Nirgon please stop making accusations towards the staff.

nirgon, like myself, is a white knight of truth and integrity

somtimes you just gotta have over 70 banned forum accounts to get the truth out nawmsayin?

Kergan
06-19-2014, 05:18 PM
I respect your dedication to the cause you choose to champion. Your sacrifices will not be forgotten by friend and foe alike.

But a Nirgon forum ban would doom us all to a fate too horrible to imagine.

Nirgon
06-19-2014, 05:24 PM
Stasis went off on me for basically helping him ensure nothing like variance which would make all the non-lawnmower men deadfuckin meat. He'll be back, not understand that I'm trying to help and get banned again.

Mac Drettj
06-19-2014, 05:30 PM
Nirgon won't get banned ever he's got highborn protection


He ain't dumb enough 2 believe volunteer contributors have on off switch privileges.

Vile
06-19-2014, 10:03 PM
heh

Bardalicious
06-19-2014, 10:31 PM
LOL no you didn't understand what I was saying

Not one person in this thread understood what you were saying because it was clear and utter bullshit.

Backpedal all you want, we've already gotten our laughs in at your expense.

And no, for all intents and purposes the VPN gateway that you're connected to is seen as the endpoint that the data is being sent to from a server-side perspective. Do you think that a traceroute is going to magically show you the point beyond the VPN IP address? Because that's fucking hilarious.

Bardalicious
06-20-2014, 12:40 AM
Frist off I never said a traceroute! But do us all a favor turn off your cable modem and connect to the VPN, now explain to us how you magically connect to the VPN without a leased IP address?

Feel stupid yet?


WTF are you talking about VPN this isn't the movie hackers, it's an MMO the mobs and players load from server side, not client. The server has to know your correct traceroute or mobs won't load. You would have to hack the server literally to play on a banned IP or Mac, VPN IP masking does not work when the world loads from client and mobs load from server side.

Otherwise everyone would override the dual boxing rule by VPN masking IP or ghosting IP address.

If they want to fucking ban you for life, trust me they can!

It's too bad you didn't edit your nonsense posts before we had a chance to quote them and throw em back in your retarded fucking face.

Bardalicious
06-20-2014, 12:47 AM
Frist off I never said a traceroute! But do us all a favor turn off your cable modem and connect to the VPN, now explain to us how you magically connect to the VPN without a leased IP address?

Feel stupid yet?

And with that out of the way, on to addressing your question.

What in the literal fuck does a leased IP address have to do with what we're talking about? Do you even understand how a data packet is constructed or how a VPN routes said data for you?

You can't even spit out what you're insinuating after 10 fucking posts because you're still talking out of your ass.

Technique
06-20-2014, 02:15 AM
Obviously your still not getting it, which at this point is really sad!

Is your graphics card on the VPN?

Is your monitor on the VPN?

So how do you think the server sends the mob data to your graphics card for digital display?

A Gnome made magic bridge?

So how does the data for mobs get from the server to the VPN to your computer?

Has the lightbulb gone on yet?

That's right kiddo the data still has to travel one extra hop from VPN, using your leased IP to your computer so it can download the packets and sync with the client side loaded world. Congrats your a fucking idiot!
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/228/1686/1600/ted%20stevens.0.jpg

oil
06-20-2014, 07:23 AM
syft clearly drunk
go home syft

Beethoven
06-20-2014, 08:32 AM
Serious Business

Tassador
06-20-2014, 09:42 AM
Serious nerd hack Gibson wars going on.

HippoNipple
06-20-2014, 10:12 AM
LMFAO I just explained what the DLL hook does! You fucking kids are hilarious you don't understand masking spoofing, ghosting. Saying I'm dumb and like a troll of lemmings yet can't refute anything I said!

Because you don't understand what I'm talking about! A former dev even confirms it and still you idiots try to jump down a black hole of trolling not even realizing that your making yourselves look like idiots!

A simple DLL added could perma ban someone, and no you could not VPN around it, are there ways around it sure! But manually you can be found with enough effort, anyone who stays connected to the server long enough can be found!


It's because of the DLL hook that a VPN does not work here you fucking idiot! All the DLL hook does is what a DEV can do manually, automatically!

that's why the VPN does not work you idiot! How slow do I have to say it for you to understand it!

The packet flow is a two way street! Those packets HOP past the VPN to your source! So it can be traced!

Do you understand what packet flow is? Or do you think you can get a package from UPS without giving them your address?

Internet connection is the same as a phone trace stay connected long enough you will be found.

There are ways around it but it would be irresponsible to explain them here.

Yea and getting busted would be simple as dropping a modified tracking cookie, upon connection. Which you might be able to fool by Ghosting your drive. But apparently since you don't understand how VM sessions or a VPN can so easily be detected on a steady connection to a server, you most likely have no clue how to ghost a drive.

a lot of words that mean nothing! Typical Jupe post funny you talk about how other people know little but meanwhile you use an IP exemption to illegally dual box! lol

Sorry you took to long to jump on Nihi's dick! And make yourself look as stupid as they did

It does there talking out their asses! There is a way around it, that won't show up on the DLL hook and it is pretty simple, but most here don't know it, they're just running mouth.

There wouldn't be so many posts a day to allow dual boxing if they all knew how to bypass it.

You do realize the packets still load on your computer right? LOL regardless of the VPN your connected through, the packets that contain mobs and players still reach your source computer!

LOL or is that too mind blowing for you?

LOL yea if we are only talking about IP's! Nobody uses the actual IP to block anything in that case a router subnet would be sufficient, to mask anyone's IP.

You do realize that the packets reach the computer source! And there is literally a ton of ways to determine the computer user with a steady connection to a server that does not involve an IP address!

Maybe in the year 2000 IP's were used to block connection but nowadays lol! just LOL!

As usual you use ambiguous wording and hone in on something basic that makes you look shady as fuck! Like pretending I didn't know the difference between Nizzar and Sektor which you still haven't addressed at ALL!

LOL this literally one of the funniest things I've read so far, because your trying to say, I'm saying the DLL hook registers IP address! Which would mean the server would auto lock out anyone on a dynamic IP address the minute their IP's re-leased.

Trace route will only show the IP of the VPN, if the DLL Hook Rogean used relied on IP then every VPN would allow someone to dual box here, try it get back to me !

There's a difference between tracking packets to a source then there is using a trace route! A trace route relies solely on IP. A server connection on an MMO is a two lane highway. Info can be sent back to the server that determines the user. Trace routes don't down and up load tons of packets from client to server regularly like a steady connection to an MMO.

LOL no you didn't understand what I was saying which is the problem. A VPN would change your IP according to the server absolutely. BUT! if an MMO dev wished to track down a user, they could as long as you stay connected to the server, regardless of you masking your IP through connecting to a virtual network.

But your not trying to understand wtf I'm talking about as usual your a butthurt whiney faggot that is more attached to my own dick than I am!

Frist off I never said a traceroute! But do us all a favor turn off your cable modem and connect to the VPN, now explain to us how you magically connect to the VPN without a leased IP address?

Feel stupid yet?

Obviously your still not getting it, which at this point is really sad!

Is your graphics card on the VPN?

Is your monitor on the VPN?

So how do you think the server sends the mob data to your graphics card for digital display?

A Gnome made magic bridge?

So how does the data for mobs get from the server to the VPN to your computer?

Has the lightbulb gone on yet?

That's right kiddo the data still has to travel one extra hop from VPN, using your leased IP to your computer so it can download the packets and sync with the client side loaded world. Congrats your a fucking idiot!

LOL best part is, what does a leased IP address have to with a VPN lmfao!

You still need a leased line connection to connect to a vpn and in the case of an MMO the data still flows from the server through the leased line back to your computer! LOL!

You don't even realize what your saying, your saying you can connect to a VPN without being ONLINE! Sure try to turn off your cable modem and connect to that VPN with your 169 IP address!

Let me know how it works out for ya!

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Super Hater
06-20-2014, 11:26 AM
^ spends an hour syfting through forum posts.
Post pictures of alcohol and women from thechive.com to impress his elf peers.
Calls people nerds...

Bardalicious
06-20-2014, 11:27 AM
Syft you're still fucking retarded and don't understand how a VPN works. The header of the packet from the server is addressed to the VPN IP address. The data packet is delivered TO THE VPN. The VPN strips the header to add the client computer as the destination IP address. What the fuck are you not understanding about this system? The server has no idea that there is a hop past the VPN. There is no direct or discernable connection from the server to the client. People far smarter than you designed this technology for anonymity and you're claiming that anyone streaming content from a server through a VPN can be identified which is why we're laughing at you.

The only way p99 can identify you is because it sends identifiable information in the data of the packet, which includes any processes that are hooking into eqgame.exe - If for example you had openvpn.exe running, they could see that. But not YOUR IP address because all destination and source headers are addressed to or from the VPN.

HippoNipple
06-20-2014, 11:29 AM
^ spends an hour syfting through forum posts.
Post pictures of alcohol and women from thechive.com to impress his elf peers.
Calls people nerds...

All posts from this thread, took 30 seconds.

You should stick to looking at pics on thechvie yourself instead of creeping on underage girls pedo perv. People hating on thechive is the same as hating america, hot women, charities and comedy. Dumb.

Tradesonred
06-20-2014, 11:29 AM
Syft is in the major leagues but not the leagues he thinks hes in

Agatha
06-20-2014, 12:00 PM
the fuck is even going on in here. jesus christ.

Kergan
06-20-2014, 12:04 PM
I kinda feel bad for Syft honestly. He really believes what he is saying, and is unable to process why everyone else thinks he is spouting complete nonsense.

I think to kinda address what he is saying (which is hard, because it is complete nonsense that makes zero sense) I'll say this:

If you're on a VPN, the public routeable IP you receive from your cable modem does not appear anywhere on any packet headers the server sees. Neither the P99 servers or the local PC you're on has any idea what this IP is, assuming you're behind some sort of router or firewall. When you're connected via VPN you're not connected to a virtual network, you're virtually connected to a network - there is a difference. Assuming there isn't any split tunneling going on, all your traffic is going across the VPN and then being routed out the internet connection at that location. It's a tunnel being created directly between your machine and a VPN endpoint somewhere in the world. Think of it as a big long ass virtual cable plugged into a switch somewhere in the world if that helps you to visualize it. The fact it must exit your local internet connection is irrelevant. There are hundreds of devices you pass through any time you do anything on the internet.

Look man, I know you backed yourself into a corner here. You honestly don't know this shit very well, and that's ok. I can't program in java, but don't see me telling a bunch of java programmers what java is all about because I'd look like an idiot.

Xer0
06-20-2014, 12:08 PM
I kinda feel bad for Syft honestly. He really believes what he is saying, and is unable to process why everyone else thinks he is spouting complete nonsense.

teh sadness

Kergan
06-20-2014, 12:11 PM
Yes you are correct about the header that's a no duh! But the data doesn't unpack until it reaches the computer, all the VPN does is change the IP header. The information is still traveling from the VPN to the computer through the leased IP. All your doing is fooling the server logs of the source IP. But somewhere in THAT data the server is still aware of the original IP because it sends the data packets through the leased IP to the computer and then uploads it again through the leased IP to the VPN back through the server.

That is why someone could figure out who you are even through a VPN, as long as you stay connected to a server long enough. A VPN is not a foolproof method to hide your IP, if it were the FBI couldn't trace or find anyone online as long as they connected to a VPN. You stay connected to any server and they can find your original ip and there are many ways to do it!

You cannot avoid detection indefinitely ! If you stay connected to server that is uploading and downloading data from your computer you can be found! Which is exactly what I originally stated!

Quite literally everything you said in this post is wrong. Packet headers are stripped and reapplied every single time a packet passes through a new device, it's not "unpacked" ever that doesn't even make sense. It's not like a zip file dude.

If I go to FBI.com while VPN'd in they have absolutely NO WAY to find my local internet connection. To the FBI.com webservers, my traffic originates from whatever internet connection I'm tunneling fbi.com traffic to while connected to a VPN.

Can they track you down? Sure. By going to the VPN termination point and getting connection logs and what not from the source. Good luck getting that info if you're P99 admins and you can't threaten to put people in the clink.

oil
06-20-2014, 12:15 PM
syft clearly providing smoke screen and misinformation to shit up thread and protect nizzar rep

HippoNipple
06-20-2014, 12:34 PM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1378095315_laughter.gif

Bardalicious
06-20-2014, 12:38 PM
Syfts DeVry education is showing well ITT.

oil
06-20-2014, 12:41 PM
yall playing too much watch dogs

Bardalicious
06-20-2014, 12:43 PM
I think ill put my faith in the guy that works with a 100k+ tech budget over the guy that has a tenuous grasp of basic networking concepts.

Bardalicious
06-20-2014, 12:54 PM
You have some sad delusions pal. But not nearly as sad as your concept of networking fundamentals.

Super Hater
06-20-2014, 01:28 PM
100k is barely lunch money in jersey! don't lie bard your sooo butthurt over me you'd side with a guy who eats insects and wipes his ass with twigs!

Bard is so butthurt. He spent 8 months trying to claim I was you, even made up RL lies of having GM connections that verified it.

Truly a mad and sad individual. :(

Nerd and fat too.

Mac Drettj
06-20-2014, 01:57 PM
Syft shits up every thread he touches

Tassador
06-20-2014, 02:26 PM
IMO you all equally contribute to shitting up threads, but that what makes pvp forums so fun.

Tradesonred
06-20-2014, 03:39 PM
http://www.homesalive.ca/media/wysiwyg/Dog-Learning-Centre/2014/March/why-do-dogs-eat-poop.jpg

Kergan
06-20-2014, 04:12 PM
OMFg it's like dealing with idiots it really is! You do realize it's a lot DIFFERENT WHEN YOU HAVE STEADY CONNECTION TO A SERVER! Streaming Data back and forth!

Makes no difference, 1 packet or a million-gazillion-billion. It makes no difference if you have a "steady" connection to the server.


You really think the FBI couldn't get your IP if you stayed connected to a server through a VPN?


They can easily get your IP. Unfortunately for them "your IP" is the public IP you're using to connect to the internet through the VPN service, not the one on your cable modem or whatever.


LMFAO there are not leprechauns connecting you to that VPN, you are still connected to the VPN through your leased IP! You stream data back and forth on a steady connection your gonna get found!


The only party that knows about your connection to the VPN endpoint is the VPN provider. Without their help in tracking you down you won't be, period. That's why most legit VPN providers have clauses in their privacy statement entitling them to turn over connection and data logs to government agencies if they are requested. Because without those logs, you're 100% anonymous bro. Good fucking luck getting StrongVPN to turn over user logs to P99 in an attempted two-boxing crackdown.

If what you were saying was true than anyone could hack the world simply using a VPN!

You realize there is a massive huge ass fucking difference between connecting anonymously and hacking in and obtaining data right? I'm seriously starting to think you don't know the difference.

mtb tripper
06-20-2014, 04:16 PM
I would say so