coming back from a long break, don't have any toons. can't decide on blue or red

[Haymaker]

not sure which server to play. any advice? pros, cons?

[username17]

Red Pro: The XP rate when fully grouped is insane
Blue Pro: More players than red.

Up to you.

[Alukit Vassago]

Red con:low server pop,some toxic community,griefing
Blue con: horrible end game drama,over camped items & over inflated prices

both have their problems so its better to pick base on PvE or PvP in the end really

[georgie]

red: competitive
blue: casual

[Llodd]

Red Con: The insane xp rate
Blue Con: Hard to get on some camps.

[Bboboo]

Please go to Red, don't need anymore people that say the word Toon on blue.

But seriously, play both at the same time!

[hammertime7795]

Red is mostly toxic and eq was never designed to be a pvp game. So for a real eq experience blue is the only way to go.

[maahes]

If you read the boards here, some guys are really hardcore about how much fun RED is, and their growing population must support their claims. If you are like me, the lack of balance and design for PvP will drive you nuts. But I have to agree, play both and see where you land.

[webrunner5]

You are allowed to play Both at the same time. Not considered 2 Boxing. I play both, so no harm have a few toons on each server. Helps with the boredom at times. :D

[fishingme]

not sure which server to play. any advice? pros, cons?

Long time blue player, just started red. Red is like the blue server was during its first few months except there's not a whole lot of manartones or anything. The grouping xp bonus and just the server itself reminds me a lot more of classic everquest than blue. Red is nice because there aren't thousands of twinks running around, you pretty much to back to the basic everquest on red.

[Whirled]

You are allowed to play Both at the same time. Not considered 2 Boxing. I play both, so no harm have a few toons on each server. Helps with the boredom at times. :D

/agree.
Playing both servers is fun. Just having the fresh 8 slots to make new characters has been fun even tho all are naked & low level ... again...

[Vooradoor]

Red is mostly toxic and eq was never designed to be a pvp game. So for a real eq experience blue is the only way to go.



The best fun I had in any MMORPG ever was on Ralos Zek back in the day. For me, PVP is a MUST, and no game has ever came as close to EQ to getting it right.

[pheerie]

Blue economy is basically fucked due to the time it has been around. The economy isn't accessible to any new players.

[Bodybagger]

Blue economy is basically fucked due to the time it has been around. The economy isn't accessible to any new players.



Complete opposite... you can ECQuest for a few days and have 10k, literally... I went from one hand out (jagged chokdai spine) on my rogue to flipping into 10k between gear and plat... I mean honestly... it's absurd the tools at our hands with auction tracker and wiki and such, forums etc.

On the other hand, blue is vastly broken in terms of grinding/grouping. No one has incentive to group because they are either a) being powerleveled by friends/guildies or b) twinked to hell and don't want you mooching their solo xp

Red on the other hand has incredible incentive to group and level together without need for PL with bonus xp for pairing up and grouping, and the added excitement of not-so-twinked groups getting jumped by a twink or two and duking it out etc.

I'd go red all day, but if you want early glory (which is a bit boring) go blue for easy gear and plat. People will help on red but you won't get gear/plat as quickly IMO

[pheerie]

Complete opposite... you can ECQuest for a few days and have 10k, literally

New players are probably wanting to kill stuff in Everquest, not sit around flipping loot in the EC tunnel like some reality show on the better homes and gardens network.

[jolanar]

Blue economy is basically fucked due to the time it has been around. The economy isn't accessible to any new players.

This is not accurate at all. The opposite is true. The amount of really great melee weapons you can get for 200p or under for example is absurd and not anything at like it was on live.

[Bodybagger]

New players are probably wanting to kill stuff in Everquest, not sit around flipping loot in the EC tunnel like some reality show on the better homes and gardens network.

I call COMPLETE B.S. on this....


Evidence: number of people who sit around begging for buffs and gear... an hour of begging one day plus an hour of flipping items once ever -5 days of play time = more gear upgrades more rapidly than you could likely get even playing 50+... it's just absurd.

I was a master at trading back on live but the amount of farming and how far gone the economy is at this point from how long its all been on farm status and how top heavy the server is goes beyond anything imaginable on live.

Sounds like someone is ungrateful for the gift horse or just clueless... honestly I could spend a week playing 1-2 hours a day and between donations and flipping gear, have a rogue epic MQ... in a week... on a lvl 1 rogue... seriously.

The alternative is I play naked to grind getting the shit kicked out of me solo because everyone else is twinked or powerleveling and I'm a lonely scrub in leather armor with rusty daggers... and in a week of playing 1-2 hours a day I'm level 10-15 with no gear, and level capped bind wound skill... or I gnoll fang to level 20ish and hit a wall with no gear *shrug* I think I don't mind playing reality better homes and gardens as you put it, for a week to have financial independence to do pretty much anything I want...

Honestly you sound like someone who hasn't played new on the server from a fresh start in a long time... because I did this all 10 months ago and just came back and it's only gotten more awesome/insane. The economy is PRIME for newbs. But leveling is miserable and lonely without a few set friends who play specifically to play with you.

Meanwhile on red I'm lucky to be gifted a few decent items, lootwhore my way to stacking up a couple hundred plat I save for spells and essentials, not twink gear for myself, and have 10x better times grouping and leveling, with no ECQuest *shrug* red is by far the superior classic experience for someone starting ground up right now on p99, just to give an unbiased opinion from a true noob. Honestly by 20 or so you'll have similar gear with generous people around on both servers, you'll just be able to advance further more quickly and easily on red, and make more friend who play with you as mains, not just a bunch of alts you're lucky to get to grind with form time to time if you're a newb.

[maahes]

The best fun I had in any MMORPG ever was on Ralos Zek back in the day. For me, PVP is a MUST, and no game has ever came as close to EQ to getting it right.

Too young for UO? (Ultima Online) I have said for years, PvP MMO no question UO. PvE MMO EQ. Infact many of my long time friends to this day will not touch EQ because of how horrible the PvP is in comparison. Some of those same friends are still playing UO to this day. I just can't convince them to give EQ a chance. IMHO EQ number 1 game of all time, UO a close second.

If you honestly feel a level based game does PvP right, try a skill based game. SKILL, no pew pew levels.

PM me if you want some suggestions on where to get this experience, can even set you up with established players.

[aborted]

I loved UO, never played after trammel though. Pvp on UO was amazingly fun but i have also had alot of fun on EQ pvp. EQ pvp isn't fair most of the time but it does add a layer to the game none the less. gl

[Vooradoor]

Too young for UO? (Ultima Online) I have said for years, PvP MMO no question UO. PvE MMO EQ. Infact many of my long time friends to this day will not touch EQ because of how horrible the PvP is in comparison. Some of those same friends are still playing UO to this day. I just can't convince them to give EQ a chance. IMHO EQ number 1 game of all time, UO a close second.

If you honestly feel a level based game does PvP right, try a skill based game. SKILL, no pew pew levels.

PM me if you want some suggestions on where to get this experience, can even set you up with established players.

Never played UO. But I'm 42, so I'm definitely old enough. ;)

I started RPGs back in the pen and paper D&D days, moved on to other pen and paper games, like Star Frontiers, and Role Master before discovering CRPs like Ultima, Might & Magic, Wizardry, Bard's Tale and those other great old games.

To me, having different classes and gaining levels is a key element of RPGs which I greatly enjoy. I hate when games try to take level advantages out of PvP. If someone worked hard to earn their level, they should get the advantage.

Don't know how UO approaches this, but that's where I'm coming from.

[fuark]

I've played blue for a long time and red from server launch, but currently only use my red char as downtime from blue. The answer to this will always come down to personal preference and personality.

Overall blue has a good classic experience, but be prepared to run into quite a few divas and bickering at higher level camps. I've never had trouble getting a group, and I play in an Asian time zone. The raid scene today is drastically better and much more accessible than it used to be. At 60, blue can be boring to a lot of people.

Red on the other hand, definitely has that "fresh EQ" feel to it because of the low population and relative difficulty of acquiring plat/items. On red, be prepared for divas and toxic people at all levels of the game. I ended up giving away my first (level 50 geared) character on red the day someone spammed Game of Thrones spoilers in OOC. I was just sick of the community. You can fight for camps on red. The problem with this is that EQ pvp is anything but balanced, and usually consists of waiting until someone is fighting a mob and then ganking them.

So what do I think is better? Blue. It all depends on you though. I could just as easily recommend red to a few friends of mine, and in fact probably would were they to ever start playing again.

Now, Dark Age of Camelot would be a different story. PVP is the only correct answer. Someone please make an Uthgaard PVP server.

[TheDoja]

Been playing DAoC Genesis server while waiting on uthgard

[Cobretti]

I ended up giving away my first (level 50 geared) character on red the day someone spammed Game of Thrones spoilers in OOC. I was just sick of the community.

Anyone who is a true fan of the genre read the books anyways, whats the point here

[Jigawatts]

Anyone who is a true fan of the genre read the books anyways, whats the point here
Still a dick move.

[Bodybagger]

If you read the boards here, some guys are really hardcore about how much fun RED is, and their growing population must support their claims. If you are like me, the lack of balance and design for PvP will drive you nuts. But I have to agree, play both and see where you land.

The solo pvp balance, 1v1, sucks, yes... but in that sense class balance sucks throughout the game. PVP much like ALL of EQ was meant to be experienced SOCIALLY.... as if we were playing some sort of Massive... Multiplayer... Game... Online... while Role Playing as elf sims with pixels...


seriously... this is the dumbest argument against PVP that I ever see. No shit PVP is imbalanced... did you go solo 1-60 on your cleric or warrior or rogue on blue server like this is WoW? Shit no, this is everquest... you played a solo class or sucked it up and made friends and struggled with mismatched malformed groups made of aborted non-solo people begging for LFG in /ooc, AND YOU LIKED IT!


All of that said... in respons eto the OP.... Play Red. You'll make friends, group, grind and level, and progress in an awesome fun way as intended. Or play Blue and hope for handouts, play some ECQuest buying and selling low and high like a stock broker until you have the gear you want at lvl 20, and have nothing to do at all but mindlessly grind solo/duo til you get to overcamped lvl 45+ end game content that you cannot ever touch....

seems an obvious choice to me *shrug*

And it isn't because of the pvp or red being more fun or better, honestly it's because it is a newer server with a lower population and hasn't been poopsocked into oblivion. The XP bonus is also really fun and while "not classic" provides a very classic feel for me when you get into a good group and grind together in an efficient manner.

Or just play both and see what you like... if you come to red PM me on Ninjaturtle and I will make a newb to roll with you duo or something!

[webrunner5]

Well the play Red or play Blue thing I think boils down to how good you are at EQ. I would never suggest a total newb go play on Red. I would bet they would quit EQ and NEVER come back, even though it is a lot better now than it was say 4 months ago.

Dying time after time to Mobs and being Ganked PvP wise would get old as hell quick. And we all remember when we were new to the game we died to about every other mob, clicked on Venders attack wise, Guild Leaders, the list goes on. :p

[maahes]

The solo pvp balance, 1v1, sucks, yes... but in that sense class balance sucks throughout the game. PVP much like ALL of EQ was meant to be experienced SOCIALLY.... as if we were playing some sort of Massive... Multiplayer... Game... Online... while Role Playing as elf sims with pixels...


seriously... this is the dumbest argument against PVP that I ever see. No shit PVP is imbalanced... did you go solo 1-60 on your cleric or warrior or rogue on blue server like this is WoW? Shit no, this is everquest... you played a solo class or sucked it up and made friends and struggled with mismatched malformed groups made of aborted non-solo people begging for LFG in /ooc, AND YOU LIKED IT!


All of that said... in respons eto the OP.... Play Red. You'll make friends, group, grind and level, and progress in an awesome fun way as intended. Or play Blue and hope for handouts, play some ECQuest buying and selling low and high like a stock broker until you have the gear you want at lvl 20, and have nothing to do at all but mindlessly grind solo/duo til you get to overcamped lvl 45+ end game content that you cannot ever touch....

seems an obvious choice to me *shrug*

And it isn't because of the pvp or red being more fun or better, honestly it's because it is a newer server with a lower population and hasn't been poopsocked into oblivion. The XP bonus is also really fun and while "not classic" provides a very classic feel for me when you get into a good group and grind together in an efficient manner.

Or just play both and see what you like... if you come to red PM me on Ninjaturtle and I will make a newb to roll with you duo or something!

This post should also give you a good idea what to expect the majority of the time on red. Lol.

[Conscript]

Too young for UO? (Ultima Online) I have said for years, PvP MMO no question UO...

I've ALWAYS been interested trying UO but I wasn't sure if it was still alive or not.

[pheerie]

Originally Posted by pheerie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
New players are probably wanting to kill stuff in Everquest, not sit around flipping loot in the EC tunnel like some reality show on the better homes and gardens network.
I call COMPLETE B.S. on this....


Evidence: number of people who sit around begging for buffs and gear... an hour of begging one day plus an hour of flipping items once ever -5 days of play time = more gear upgrades more rapidly than you could likely get even playing 50+... it's just absurd.

I was a master at trading back on live but the amount of farming and how far gone the economy is at this point from how long its all been on farm status and how top heavy the server is goes beyond anything imaginable on live.

you are an idiot. you clearly didn't read my post, which was a reponse to you saying we should "ECQuest" to catch up. some of us dont care to sit around begging or flipping or doing anything in the ec tunnel. we want to go out and kill stuff with our limited time.

[Bodybagger]

you are an idiot. you clearly didn't read my post, which was a reponse to you saying we should "ECQuest" to catch up. some of us dont care to sit around begging or flipping or doing anything in the ec tunnel. we want to go out and kill stuff with our limited time.

Buying and selling items is part of the game. Period. This is not WoW. You will not level 1-lvl cap without ever needing to purchase or trade and end up with sufficient gear to do whatever you want, much less solo. This game will force social aspects and in game economy down your throat like you are a cheap pornstar, and you will either take it, or go wait tables and tell everyone you're working on your acting career.

If you try to kill in your "limited time" you'll end up lvl 10 in rags with rusty weapons in a week of paying 2-3 hours a night, unless you gnoll fang your way to 20 or so and hit a wall, as stated. Otherwise you invest a few of those precious playable hours getting appreciable gear and can kick ass grinding up to 40+ game play, or even just putzing around low level being able to handle your own and enjoy the game slowly still. Without an inventory of 8slot+ bags and 150str+ and massive loot whoring you will not even afford spells as a caster or a single item superior to fine steel until lvl 30ish gameplay where lucrative stackable items start dropping.

Enjoy your lvl 10 naked toon poking at green cons with a stick. At least on red server you'd be a level 30 naked toon poking at stuff with your stick in the same limited time... how you rationalize limited time = don't play red with big xp bonus, but instead play blue and do not take advantage of ECquesting = beyond me..:confused:

[Malone88]

not sure which server to play. any advice? pros, cons?
Roll caster on red around GFay this weekend -- should be groups for you.
Join guild/make pals.
Don't look back...

[Duckwalk]

Rolled monk/shm combo with a friend on blue. Were pretty much immediately handed vanilla gear and in cases Kunark gear. Duo'ed to the mid 50s over several weeks while avoiding hybrids and lazy players that spent most of thier time afking. Decided not to pursue Blue raid scene as we had no interest in poop socking, rule lawyering or dealing with any other part of the massively bloated Blue end game.

Rolled solo Necro on Red. Over approximately 7-8 play sessions now lvl 46. Still mostly naked but starting to farm my own gear. Killed by twinked PKs maybe 4 times. Out leveled them pretty quick. Constantly /ooc looking for groups which happen frequently and are not as discriminating to class or level as blue because of exp bonuses. Spent 90% of time in groups. Lower population so most camps are open.

Both Blue and Red have horribly toxic elements to them. Red marginally more noticeable in game because of global ooc.

[Kimm Bare|y]

Play with the cool kids on red.

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[Milton]

Rolled monk/shm combo with a friend on blue. Were pretty much immediately handed vanilla gear and in cases Kunark gear. Duo'ed to the mid 50s over several weeks while avoiding hybrids and lazy players that spent most of thier time afking. Decided not to pursue Blue raid scene as we had no interest in poop socking, rule lawyering or dealing with any other part of the massively bloated Blue end game.

Rolled solo Necro on Red. Over approximately 7-8 play sessions now lvl 46. Still mostly naked but starting to farm my own gear. Killed by twinked PKs maybe 4 times. Out leveled them pretty quick. Constantly /ooc looking for groups which happen frequently and are not as discriminating to class or level as blue because of exp bonuses. Spent 90% of time in groups. Lower population so most camps are open.

Both Blue and Red have horribly toxic elements to them. Red marginally more noticeable in game because of global ooc.

Red is a blast, I played on blue when I first started, rolled red at random one day, never went back. Well, I did this one time but I think I logged on once, ran to MM, 47 people in zone, got on a CE grp list at position 15, waited for 30 mins and then logged off forever sayin to myself "Why the fuck do people play on blue?"

[Feanol]

Folks always put forward 'Higher Population' as though it's some kind of advantage that Blue has over Red.

I play Disc Golf. It's a great sport and I've made some good friends because there are always people on the course no matter what. But when you pull up into the parking lot with five hours free for play, I do not want to see three dozen other cars.

My first though when seeing the golf course packed hole-to-hole is not "Wow! Look at all the people! Great!"

My first thought is "Goddamnit, I'm going to be waiting at every hole."