Ancient Shissar Gauntlet didn't exist til almost Velious

[koros]

I know this is now outside the scope of where the server is now but thought it was worth mentioning for possible future iterations.

Found this while researching:

https://web.archive.org/web/20001005125755/http://eq.castersrealm.com/

Wednesday October 4, 2000

FEAST YOUR EYES ON THIS
Ciid Cypher of Dark Brethren on Terris Thule recently obtained what will now be the most sought after pure caster hand gloves in the game.


Ancient Shissar Gauntlet Stats
Ancient Shissar Gauntlet Stat Screenshot
The real question is now - is Ancient Shissar equipment a new Kunark caster loot, or is it's expendable charge needed to finish an Epic Quest?

[jpetrick]

I'm not sure this is evidence that they didn't exist. I think they just are super rare.

[Ele]

Similar issue as with Tunare and Fist of Nature or Faydedar's scales.

Ancient Shissar Gauntlets fall in line with a bunch of Kunark items, but then a couple Luclin items immediately follow up after the Kunark group.

4515,"Cobalt Helm",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4515
4516,"Cobalt Breastplate",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4516
4517,"Cobalt Vambraces",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4517
4518,"Cobalt Bracer",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4518
4519,"Cobalt Gauntlets",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4519
4520,"Cobalt Greaves",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4520
4521,"Cobalt Boots",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4521
4522,"Blood Ember Helm",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4522
4523,"Blood Ember Breastplate",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4523
4524,"Blood Ember Vambraces",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4524
4525,"Blood Ember Bracer",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4525
4526,"Blood Ember Gauntlets",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4526
4527,"Blood Ember Greaves",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4527
4528,"Blood Ember Boots",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4528
4529,"Jaundiced Bone Helm",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4529
4530,"Jaundiced Bone Breastplate",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4530
4531,"Jaundiced Bone Vambraces",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4531
4532,"Jaundiced Bone Bracer",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4532
4533,"Jaundiced Bone Gauntlets",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4533
4534,"Jaundiced Bone Greaves",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4534
4535,"Jaundiced Bone Boots",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4535
4536,"Tolan's Darkwood Helm",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4536
4537,"Tolan's Darkwood Breastplate",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4537
4538,"Tolan's Darkwood Vambraces",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4538
4539,"Tolan's Darkwood Bracer",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4539
4540,"Tolan's Darkwood Gauntlets",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4540
4541,"Tolan's Darkwood Greaves",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4541
4542,"Tolan's Darkwood Boots",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4542
4543,"Deepwater Helm",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4543
4544,"Deepwater Breastplate",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4544
4545,"Deepwater Vambraces",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4545
4546,"Deepwater Bracer",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4546
4547,"Deepwater Gauntlets",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4547
4548,"Deepwater Greaves",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4548
4549,"Deepwater Boots",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4549
4550,"Mrylokar's Helm",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4550
4551,"Mrylokar's Breastplate",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4551
4552,"Mrylokar's Vambraces",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4552
4553,"Mrylokar's Bracer",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4553
4554,"Mrylokar's Gauntlets",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4554
4555,"Mrylokar's Greaves",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4555
4556,"Mrylokar's Boots",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4556
4557,"Singing Steel Helm",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4557
4558,"Singing Steel Breastplate",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4558
4559,"Singing Steel Vambraces",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4559
4560,"Singing Steel Bracer",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4560
4561,"Singing Steel Gauntlets",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4561
4562,"Singing Steel Greaves",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4562
4563,"Singing Steel Boots",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4563
4564,"Donal's Helm of Mourning",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4564
4565,"Donal's Chestplate of Mourning",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4565
4566,"Donal's Vambraces of Mourning",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4566
4567,"Donal's Bracer of Mourning",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4567
4568,"Donal's Gauntlets of Mourning",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4568
4569,"Donal's Leggings of Mourning",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4569
4570,"Donal's Boots of Mourning",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4570
4571,"Elder Spiritist's Helm",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4571
4572,"Elder Spiritist's Breastplate",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4572
4573,"Elder Spiritist's Vambraces",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4573
4574,"Elder Spiritist's Bracer",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4574
4575,"Elder Spiritist's Gauntlets",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4575
4576,"Elder Spiritist's Greaves",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4576
4577,"Elder Spiritist's Boots",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4577
4578,"Helm of Rile",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4578
4579,"Gangrenous Beetle Mask",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4579
4580,"Grim Pauldrons",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4580
4581,"Sarnak Headguard",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4581
4582,"Ancient Shissar Gauntlet",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4582
4583,"Ceremonial Iksar Chestplate",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4583
4584,"Talisman of Moisture",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4584
4585,"Vial of Aqua Waters",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4585

[koros]

Similar issue as with Tunare and Fist of Nature or Faydedar's scales.

Ancient Shissar Gauntlets fall in line with a bunch of Kunark items, but then a couple Luclin items immediately follow up after the Kunark group.

These are so hard to draw any conclusions on. Someone could have added them with that DB id after the fact, or more likely they were added into the DB but never put in game for whatever reason.

Shissar gauntlets aren't rare enough to have just not been seen for that long, unless the drop rate was changed. Maybe someone fat-fingered a decimal place and it was fixed later.

I can't find a single reference to them from before that date, but here's a post that does claim they existed previously.


Old 10-18-2000, 04:25 AM #19
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Uhmm...I think you are wrong, Nazrin. The shissar gloves and their effect (including that they morph into the cleric hammer) was known long before anyone found the cleric gloves on Overking. Personally, I believe that the Shissar Gauntlets are bugged, and that it SHOULD turn into a caster weapon but doesn't.

[koros]

Also what are you using to query lucy for multiple lines?

[Ele]

Also what are you using to query lucy for multiple lines?

You can download a CSV text file of the entire Lucy item database, then load it into Excel or CSV parser of choice.

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/downloads.html

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemlist.txt.gz

[wycca]

Interesting, the item id's look like it was itemized during Kunark, but it sounds like there may have been a drop issue or rarity problem. Plus that is interesting about the click.

The itemization, quests, mobs in KC are a bit odd, there were quite a few issues and oddities, ie look at the Shackle line for one with the buggy KC component.

[Erati]

or noobs confusing these gloves with the "fabled" Chardok ones and due to the Classicness of the internet there was a game of telephone with players who "knew of" some very similar caster gloves from VS

they even had the same inventory graphic

[wycca]

or noobs confusing these gloves with the "fabled" Chardok ones and due to the Classicness of the internet there was a game of telephone with players who "knew of" some very similar caster gloves from VS

they even had the same inventory graphic

Possible, there is that post koros linked that suggests otherwise though (as does the Alla commentary). The Alla commentary just leads me to believe they may have simply been bugged and had the Chardok transmute hammer clicky on it. Some of the stuff is pretty specific that it doesn't seem like it's classic fud.

Koros has a post, Alla's has discussion of it, then I found these (oh hai more proof!) -

Oh hai - http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=8413 - June 00 discussion of them.

http://game.china.com/zh_cn/hotspot/eq/guide/11008745/20030416/11453827_7.html

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=3582 - Jan 01 discussion of them having click, and Aug 01 discussion of them not having it.


Omg, Ancient Shissar Gauntlets should have Vibrating Hammer clicky!

[Daldaen]

I love how that post is a 39 Cleric commenting on Venril Sathir's drops.

[Erati]

Oh hai - http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=8413


this link supports what i was saying about uninformed players speculating about items they did not see many of, if at all. Also...

...wait for it...

THERE WAS NO ITEM LINKING AT THAT TIME

for someone to show you VS gloves it had to be on VS's corpse and thus you have rampant speculation about the stats especially since the Chardok gloves are so similar in style/itemization

/mike drop

[koros]

this link supports what i was saying about uninformed players speculating about items they did not see many of, if at all. Also...

...wait for it...

THERE WAS NO ITEM LINKING AT THAT TIME

for someone to show you VS gloves it had to be on VS's corpse and thus you have rampant speculation about the stats especially since the Chardok gloves are so similar in style/itemization

/mike drop

Link I posted originally has a no longer working screenshot... I'm sure that's how people knew about it. It was probably just a mistake on the gloves.

[Erati]

Link I posted originally has a no longer working screenshot... I'm sure that's how people knew about it. It was probably just a mistake on the gloves.

right how some knew about it but there was not nearly the amount of internet scouring to see every item that existed, alot was still talked about via type chat and actually listing the attributes long hand

[White Ranger Revival]

Ok then. We need to wait until we're almost in Velious to put them in on p99...

[koros]

Interesting, the item id's look like it was itemized during Kunark, but it sounds like there may have been a drop issue or rarity problem. Plus that is interesting about the click.

The itemization, quests, mobs in KC are a bit odd, there were quite a few issues and oddities, ie look at the Shackle line for one with the buggy KC component.

Probably this.

Kunark had a ton of really really cool things that seem half-finished/removed/buggy.

This just reminded me that:

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=14750

existed. Kunark was cool, but god damn would it have been amazing if they did everything they intended with it.

[wycca]

More transmute hammer proof - http://ttlg.com/FORUMS/showthread.php?t=5807

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1479

[Freakish]

39 Cleric has CH. I'd let him raid on VS.

[wycca]

More proof - http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=8477

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2386 - 2/14/01 post at that!

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?p=83371

http://twilight.uh-oh.jp/eq/tips/dr_karnor.html - Uh oh, check Venril's drop list!

That's right, guilds in Kunark/early Velious had TWO sources of Vibrating Gloves!

[Nirgon]

pls remove item linking

[Erati]

Heres what happened.

VS gloves had a incorrect picture displaying 'Effect: Transmute Hammer'

That effect exists only on one item: Vib Gauntlets of Infuse which creates the Vibrating Hammer of Infuse.

The reason why so many keep saying 'you never get the caster gloves back' bc this is what happened...

with the incorrect picture of Shissar gloves displaying the effect that was never on them (Effect: Transmute Hammer), VS's gloves began to become mixed up with the Vibrating gaunlets bc it was believed they had the same effect.

Well that effect only makes 1 item- Vibrating Hammer of Infuse and that hammer also has an effect which always only does one thing - makes Vibrating Gloves.

So in theory if you clicked your Shissar gloves with the Transmute Hammer effect you would enter the Vibrating Gauntlets cycle and thus never see your Shissar gloves again bc no item had the effect "Transmute Shissar Gloves :P".

In reality- the Shissar gloves never had that effect and in fact just a simple item link of an actual pair was impossible at the time. Word of mouth spread rampantly and we are talking about maybe 3-4 sets of gloves on a server by the time Velious was even released probably.

Very few knew the actual truth.

Or it was a bug and only the first couple had the Effect then was fixed after the obvious mistake

but this is a fun thread to read

[wycca]

1 - No proof it's a hoax, whereas several posters discuss the transmute effect
2 - There's even discussion that the vibrating gloves from VS are MORE common than from Overking
3 - Good theory, but you offer no proof, and in fact, multiple posters in multiple threads directly counter you - did you read any of my links?

[Erati]

1 - No proof it's a hoax, whereas several posters discuss the transmute effect
2 - There's even discussion that the vibrating gloves from VS are MORE common than from Overking
3 - Good theory, but you offer no proof, and in fact, multiple posters in multiple threads directly counter you - did you read any of my links?

your proof is also solely speculation on forums, most of which is pure he said she said back channel stuff, no one with the actual gloves comes forth and talks about them...


at least mine makes sense for why it would be confused with the other gloves, it makes zero sense that VS would drop the Vibrating Gloves or Hammer and makes even less sense that the Shissar gloves would turn into Vibrating Gloves which could never be reverted back to caster gloves lol

[wycca]

your proof is also solely speculation on forums, most of which is pure he said she said back channel stuff, no one with the actual gloves comes forth and talks about them...


at least mine makes sense for why it would be confused with the other gloves, it makes zero sense that VS would drop the Vibrating Gloves or Hammer and makes even less sense that the Shissar gloves would turn into Vibrating Gloves which could never be reverted back to caster gloves lol

Since you don't want to click links and read -

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=3582 -
Jan 19, 2001 11:22p - Anonymous -
"They are dropped off VS in KC. The pictures are different because the effect was bugged, my gaunts had the effect, transmute hammer, but i never clicked em because they then turned into a cleric hammer and then back into the cleric gloves, but never back into the orig gaunts.

I got them a long time ago, and have never heard of them dropping again. They may have been taken outta the loot table considering they are better than the majority of robes an int caster can find out there anyway."

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2386 -
2-14-01 22:38 - Post #6 by Jaldarith -
"Venril Sathir drops them more commonly than the Overking does, but the Overking CAN drop them."

https://web.archive.org/web/20001005125755/http://eq.castersrealm.com/ -
Oct 4, 2000 Update -
"Ciid Cypher of Dark Brethren on Terris Thule recently obtained what will now be the most sought after pure caster hand gloves in the game."


While the others could be commentary, those are direct. Is it so hard to believe that verant had a clicky on 1 item that was later moved to another?

[Fael]

Kunark was released in april of 2004.

What the hell are you guys talking about? It is very very very possible that no one saw the gaunts until october.

I've been on this server for four years, farming VS for most of that time, and I've seen 1-2 gaunts per year.

[Thulack]

Kunark was released in april of 2004.

What the hell are you guys talking about? It is very very very possible that no one saw the gaunts until october.

I've been on this server for four years, farming VS for most of that time, and I've seen 1-2 gaunts per year.

ummmm:confused:

[maximum]

Kunark was released in april of 2004.

Do you mean P99 Kunark? It was March, 2011. http://wiki.project1999.com/Timeline

[Erati]

Since you don't want to click links and read -

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=3582 -
Jan 19, 2001 11:22p - Anonymous -
"They are dropped off VS in KC. The pictures are different because the effect was bugged, my gaunts had the effect, transmute hammer, but i never clicked em because they then turned into a cleric hammer and then back into the cleric gloves, but never back into the orig gaunts.

I got them a long time ago, and have never heard of them dropping again. They may have been taken outta the loot table considering they are better than the majority of robes an int caster can find out there anyway."

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2386 -
2-14-01 22:38 - Post #6 by Jaldarith -
"Venril Sathir drops them more commonly than the Overking does, but the Overking CAN drop them."

https://web.archive.org/web/20001005125755/http://eq.castersrealm.com/ -
Oct 4, 2000 Update -
"Ciid Cypher of Dark Brethren on Terris Thule recently obtained what will now be the most sought after pure caster hand gloves in the game."


While the others could be commentary, those are direct. Is it so hard to believe that verant had a clicky on 1 item that was later moved to another?

I read them but again they are just people speculating shit

that is not proof whatsoever and its sad that sometimes a few randos from the year 2000 talking about items they know nothing about except second hand knowledge from other people can get our game changed.

I already clearly laid out a highly likely scenario for why there was such confusion and speculation about these two sets of gloves and where they came from. I find it odd however that most your evidence is from clerics drooling over the Vib gloves rather than any quotes of Shissar gloves transmuting and never reverting. A few players were confused at how they were suppose to work but no where any hard evidence it existed.

You have shown no:

1. patch notes saying the gloves have been removed from VS
2. patch notes saying the effect on Shissar gloves have been altered
3. lucy data showing an update in the item
4. screenshot of Shissar gloves with an effect

absolutely nothing but some noob clerics wondering where those amazing gloves come from. In fact, in your evidence some were arguing that the the VS gloves were indeed different

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?p=83371

the final poster says

The quote from the other board is inaccurate. The cleric glove/hammer item is only that. The Shissar gloves become a different item when right clicked.

So not everyone was agreeing with what the gloves actually did or how they worked.


https://web.archive.org/web/20001026023549/http://eq.castersrealm.com/data/items.asp?Action=Description&Id=2025

is your best hope at evidence - Shissar gloves with listed Effect Transmute Hammer

however if you notice - its not even a screenshot and thusly cannot hold up in our court of law

Its a simple typed update, one that can easily be inaccurate, esp since Casters Realm was known to not be the epitome of accuracy



If your entire premise is banking on this guy's quote, then this is just sad. When did Jaldarith become an effcienado of loot tables?

Venril Sathir drops them more commonly than the Overking does, but the Overking CAN drop them.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2386

He not only does not put his character name or level in his signature but its a completely random dude posting on a forum- if we are to accept forum speculation as proof of anything it would hopefully come from a respectable raiding guild that knows what they are talking about. Not Randos

anyway - keep looking up more 'evidence' - VS doesnt drop Vibrating gloves and never did unless it was a short lived, undocumented bug.

[koros]

Earliest reference I could find on Alla. Doesn't exist in the Nov 10 snapshot:

Can't access SS but no reference of effect

Ancient Shissar Gauntlet: AC 15, +10 str, +10 sta, +20 int, +12 disease & poison prot. Wt. 5. Magic, lore, no drop. Classes: E, Mg, N, Wz. (Submitted by Twing)

[koros]

Another without

http://web.archive.org/web/20010302085947/http://graffe.com/armor/hands/hands.htm#

But then there's stuff like this:

https://web.archive.org/web/20001210201200/http://eq.castersrealm.com/data/items.asp?Action=Description&Id=2025

GOT THEM, By Ramcaster

Got the gloves, dont have the desire to click them. I recon they will turn into the cleric hammer, and then back to cleric gloves. Since I am a mage, I have no real desire to find out. Feel free to post if you have them, and have clicked them in the desire to get something better, but I seriously doubt there is such an item anywhere. And since obviously, my guild, got these for me, I wouldn't click without having a consensus on it anyways.

I have the feeling they had them for about 2 months and VI realized the mistake and removed em. Shrug, doesn't really matter anyway.

[Ele]

Kunark was released in april of 2004.

ummmm:confused:

Do you mean P99 Kunark? It was March, 2011. http://wiki.project1999.com/Timeline

April 24, 2000

[Man0warr]

Who cares it's almost Velious, so they should be in whoever is right.

[Ele]

Who cares it's almost Velious, so they should be in whoever is right.

Because hopefully this and red aren't the only versions of P99 ever released. Us classholes would like to experience, one day, a fresh timeline server in all its intricacies.

[Daldaen]

Because hopefully this and red aren't the only versions of P99 ever released. Us classholes would like to experience, one day, a fresh timeline server in all its intricacies.

This.

Imagine the majority of Kunark where Torpor drains your mana! Oh so glorious.

Imagine when Venril Sathir will have 2 Green Stones every kill from the epic patch onward. Such wow.

[Ele]

Is it conceivable that very few or none dropped between April 24, 2000 (release) and Oct. 4, 2000 (date in OP)? Is it also conceivable that if a pair did drop that the receiving guild did not publicize it? Is it also conceivable that if it did have the right click turn into Cleric hammer effect, that the initial pairs were lost?

Magelo has a current drop rate of 6% on the gloves, which honestly seems high.

Let's be generous and say 1 VS a week between April 24, 2000 and Oct. 4, 2000 = ~5 months or 20 weeks or 20 VS.

There were ~36 servers, including test, by Velious' release.

Being extremely generous, that gives us 720 VS kills by Oct. 4, 2000 across all the servers. In actuality, it was maybe half that many VS kills in the relevant time frame.

720 VS * 6% = ~43 gloves per drop slot (VS has two possible drop spots), so about 90 gloves over all considering both drop slots.

[wycca]

There's a post as early as June discussing the gloves w/transmute, more around Oct, trails off Jan/Feb 01.

[Daldaen]

I'd tend to say Eratani is right though. No item linking, and no first hand accounts. Just people talking about two sets of amazing gloves with similar tier of stats that are extremely rare.

There are plenty of examples of this where people confused loot tables and drops. Even in PoP when item linking was in, Thangbrand and Valbrand in BoT had mixed up loot tables. Enraged and Enchanted Boars in PoTactics people would add loot from one to the other etc.

When it's two gauntlets with identical graphics that are 5% drops from hard raid mobs, I'm inclined to say that it's some hearsay about what gloves VS Really dropped.

A screenshot of them with the clicky, or a screenshot of them on corpse or a guild update, with vibrating gauntlets off VS would suffice as evidence for me. But I don't think any of those will happen

[koros]

There's a post as early as June discussing the gloves w/transmute, more around Oct, trails off Jan/Feb 01.

Which post discusses them around June? That would be pretty good evidence that they did exist earlier than October at least.

[koros]

I'd tend to say Eratani is right though. No item linking, and no first hand accounts. Just people talking about two sets of amazing gloves with similar tier of stats that are extremely rare.

There are plenty of examples of this where people confused loot tables and drops. Even in PoP when item linking was in, Thangbrand and Valbrand in BoT had mixed up loot tables. Enraged and Enchanted Boars in PoTactics people would add loot from one to the other etc.

When it's two gauntlets with identical graphics that are 5% drops from hard raid mobs, I'm inclined to say that it's some hearsay about what gloves VS Really dropped.

A screenshot of them with the clicky, or a screenshot of them on corpse or a guild update, with vibrating gauntlets off VS would suffice as evidence for me. But I don't think any of those will happen

These gloves definitely had the clicky. Too many people reference it. It probably shouldn't be included as it was clearly unintentional and changed pretty quickly.

https://web.archive.org/web/20131030020821/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=3582

RE: Who drops this item?
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They are dropped off VS in KC. The pictures are different because the effect was bugged, my gaunts had the effect, transmute hammer, but i never clicked em because they then turned into a cleric hammer and then back into the cleric gloves, but never back into the orig gaunts.

I got them a long time ago, and have never heard of them dropping again. They may have been taken outta the loot table considering they are better than the majority of robes an int caster can find out there anyway.

[Erati]

right thats what Ive been saying

Bugged Shissar Gloves that got fixed instantly != VS dropping Vib Gaunlets

but bc the effect was the same in some pics, clerics began to speculate as in general most didnt know or have any info on the real Vibrating gloves nor actually saw them

[wycca]

Which post discusses them around June? That would be pretty good evidence that they did exist earlier than October at least.

Sorry it was July - http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=8413


Erati - first it isn't real. Next it's something about links not being in. Then it's they were obviously in for only a short time. Do you have any links or quotes to support this? Theres been quite a bit posted to support this items existence, but do you have any counter posts to disprove?

There's at least 4 first hand sources linked of people who looted them or whose guild was farming them. Timeline appears that they could have been in as of Velious at that, not exactly "quickly fixed". July00->Oct 00 for sure -> Jan/Feb 01 commentary. Definitely out by Aug 01.

[Erati]

Sorry it was July - http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=8413


Erati - first it isn't real. Next it's something about links not being in. Then it's they were obviously in for only a short time. Do you have any links or quotes to support this? Theres been quite a bit posted to support this items existence, but do you have any counter posts to disprove?

There's at least 4 first hand sources linked of people who looted them or whose guild was farming them. Timeline appears that they could have been in as of Velious at that, not exactly "quickly fixed". July00->Oct 00 for sure -> Jan/Feb 01 commentary. Definitely out by Aug 01.


I still dont believe the Shissar gloves ever had Transmute hammer in any non-bugged state...think about it...why would a Caster NO DROP item into the tradable cleric Vibrating Gauntlets/Hammer?????? Thats a bug period.

Implementing them that way is beyond retarded and most certainly a mistake IF indeed the first sets of Shissar Gloves had the 'Effect:Transmute Hammer'. You are basically saying that people if people accidentally clicked on their gloves they lose them forever? WTF

Its laughable that you are holding quotes of random people, from all levels and raid experience, who are simply speculating n discussing Vibrating gloves in general as any kind of evidence. No one is definitive about anything in your links and its all a bunch of hearsay. So if thats all you got to prove VS should drop the Overkings gloves then I am sorry, that shouldnt be enough to get it changed on this server.


Maybe I am completely wrong and off base - but it seems yourself ( a cleric ) are trying to get another source of Vibrating Gloves out there......But on the flip side - you could simply say that since I also have cleric who own's those gloves I am vehemently trying to protect my investment in them

So in that respect it seems we are even and no change should be implemented bc of our personal biases and lack of hard evidence suggesting VS actually dropped the Vibrating gloves

because one more time ..........Shissar Gloves with incorrect effect != VS dropping the actual Vibrating Gauntlets -- MAYBE in the mind of those who ran EQ websites, VS indirectly dropped them by proxy via the incorrect effect and thusly it was added to his loot table for some websites since if the gloves had an effect to turn into Vib gloves its basically the same as if he dropped the gloves themselves ( even tho he did not, he only dropped gloves that transmuted into the Vibrators )

Just bc something is bugged and confused a shit ton of uninformed people 15 years ago doesnt mean it should be added in here retroactively

I think I have said enough as I am sure many eyes are rolling reading lol

:)

[wycca]

I don't doubt it wasn't intended, but there's pretty compelling evidence it was in, that it was in at least until October of 2000 - possibly Jan/Feb of 01. There's TONS of stuff in EQ that didn't work as intended, was OP, was buggy, was downright wrong. This is all classic =P.

Nobody ever claimed he dropped the vibrating gloves, just that the clicky on the shissar gloves was a means to acquire them.

And yes, this sort of thing IS what P99 is about. It's about recreating the classic experience bugs, dev mis-types, OP mechanics, warts, and all. That's exactly what many posts on this forum are about and what many patches/dev fixes are all about - recreating the minute, odd, quirky, poor-decision things that Verant implemented 15 years ago.