Red 69 PvP Server

[freakyuno]

Rundown:
FFA PvP (even though the zone msg says differently)

Spells file available at (eqpvp.com)

No PVP level limit (pvp starts at level 10)

Boxing is allowed

Zone spawns are not completly classic (only classic zones available though)

Uses old zones (so replacing the spell file in a configured P99 or VZTZ eq directory will work just fine)

Coin loot

XP: Not Classic, 10 or 15% faster than VZTZ box and Secrets box

Weapon graphics, world messages...etc are updated

Global OOC is enabled

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[Harrison]

Allowing boxing is already setting it up for failure, period.

[freakyuno]

Allowing boxing is already setting it up for failure, period.

I agree with this. The statment from the Dev's is - they'll examine it in a few weeks and take it out if necessary.

If boxing is allowed to remain, I wont be playing on this server. :)

[Bardalicious]

I take it then that you will not be pursuing your own server?

Sad day.

[muffins]

I take it then that you will not be pursuing your own server?

Sad day.

[freakyuno]

I take it then that you will not be pursuing your own server?

Sad day.

I'm still pursuing it! Working on it right now actually. :)

[Bardalicious]

Allowing boxing is already setting it up for failure, period.

[Salty]

Allowing boxing is already setting it up for failure, period.

You're dumb.

If you are 6boxing, you are easier to kill than 3 individual people.


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[Prince]

making people able to pve on their own ruins pvp servers bro, duh

[Bardalicious]

You're dumb.

If you are 6boxing, you are easier to kill than 3 individual people.



If you are dumb enough to run around with 6 toons, sure. But the majority of people make buff and port bitches. Personally I don't enjoy having to box another 2-3 toons just to be able to keep up with fighting people that are fully raid buffed, have pocket wizzies to spam nukes, pocket healers to spam heals etc, on top of which keeping up with the constant lack of grouping because everyone solos everything.

[Cwall]

Hey thanks for the shiny new box bro I appreciate it

[bakkily]

who released this server?

[Salty]

Dev/Image

[Slashurr]

is this server down?

[Salty]

seems so

[Slashurr]

any eta?

[bakkily]

so this is'nt official red99

[Slashurr]

it is red 69. is everyone not seeing the server listed?

[bakkily]

k so def not released by rogean or any p99 devs

[Slashurr]

man, no. not from rogean. can you see the server listed?

[bakkily]

im on p99 atm, figuring with all these pvp servers coming out, one every month, not going to play em unless one of them peeps like and it stays

[Cwall]

They brought the server down to address an issue with crashing or something.

[Slashurr]

thx cwall.
Bakkily you are a moron. you are the biggest moron on these boards.

[bakkily]

whats your problem mr. wannabe adam click sandler

[Slashurr]

not a problem, and I am not mad. I just think you are a stupid person IRL. I really don't like you because you are a moron. It's all good though. You are just a simple minded man. Here's a great idea - go dig yourself a grave. Retards like you usually die early due to a side effect of down syndrome - a not fully developed heart.

[Stickyfingers]

not a problem, and I am not mad. I just think you are a stupid person IRL. I really don't like you because you are a moron. It's all good though. You are just a simple minded man. Here's a great idea - go dig yourself a grave. Retards like you usually die early due to a side effect of down syndrome - a not fully developed heart.

http://www.publicorgan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/u-mad1.jpg

[Secrets]

http://vallontallonzek.com/godspeed.patch

[Lazortag]

Top 10:
-[Red69]- Knuckle - 4 Kills
-[Red69]- Grimtoad - 3 Kills
-[Red69]- Boxin - 3 Kills
-Red69]- Yourmom - 2 Kills
-[Red69]- Drizzy - 2 Kills
-[Red69]- Kasto - 1 Kills
-[Red69]- Nitric - 1 Kills
-[Red69]- Bruno - 1 Kills
-[Red69]- Magebox - 1 Kills
-[Red69]- Pitborn - 1 Kills

Grats Knuckle on being at the top of the leaderboards at the end of day 1. Who will be at the top after day 2? Stay tuned to find out.

[Bardalicious]

-[Red69]- Knuckle - 4 Kills


How many of those kills were at a freeport zone line? LOL!!!!!11

[Kamasu-WV]

well Runya just merc'd me like 3 times so..i think has a good chance of being no 1

[Lazortag]

well Runya just merc'd me like 3 times so..i think has a good chance of being no 1

Repeat kills don't get counted on the leaderboard.

[bakkily]

for some reason you have the dipshit attitude slashurr, but what ever, if having to make fun of others over the internet makes you feel better keep typing, but what ever ill just ignore you, but what ever, to what ever other dipshit post you make about me i dont care, i wont reply

[Bardalicious]

http://vallontallonzek.com/godspeed.patch

I want the database and source pl0x.

Also, is godspeed.patch a diff between the VZTZ source hosted here:

http://code.google.com/p/vztzfebsource/downloads/list

Or is it a diff of the latest EQEmu source download?

[Darksinga]

knuckle camped my lvl 11 mage on a 21 necro for 3 of those kills ;p

ldrboard in general bad idea, but i will gladly participate once i lvl up my bard

[Bardalicious]

knuckle camped my lvl 11 mage on a 21 necro for 3 of those kills ;p

ldrboard in general bad idea, but i will gladly participate once i lvl up my bard

Shocking that Knuckle would do such a thing. :rolleyes:

[Darksinga]

Lol

[freakyuno]

I want the database and source pl0x.

Also, is godspeed.patch a diff between the VZTZ source hosted here:

http://code.google.com/p/vztzfebsource/downloads/list

Or is it a diff of the latest EQEmu source download?

I've got the source, and I'm working on the godspeed patch. He also gave me the database, complete with everyones chars, guilds, etc. I'm inclined not to use it though - because I went through the hackers table and it's insane...lol

[Bardalicious]

I've got the source, and I'm working on the godspeed patch. He also gave me the database, complete with everyones chars, guilds, etc. I'm inclined not to use it though - because I went through the hackers table and it's insane...lol

Good stuff. I'd like to have a copy still though.

[freakyuno]

Good stuff. I'd like to have a copy still though.

It's in no kind of shape to distribute at the moment. I'm not going to horde it. You're welcome to it if Secrets gives it to you, or I'll shoot it your way after I get mine working. :)

[Bardalicious]

It's in no kind of shape to distribute

Eh okay. Not sure how that would be.. I don't need the source code. The godspeed patch is the diff file to patch the source. I just want the database to go with it.

I'm not going to horde it. You're welcome to it if Secrets gives it to you

Sounds a little bit like you are friend. Which is why I want a backup in the first place. All too often these servers could be helping the rest of the Emu community by sharing the work they've done to save others time, yet it never happens.

[Lazortag]

Top 10:
-[Red69]- Knuckle - 4 Kills
-[Red69]- Grimtoad - 3 Kills
-[Red69]- Boxin - 3 Kills
-Red69]- Yourmom - 2 Kills
-[Red69]- Drizzy - 2 Kills
-[Red69]- Kasto - 1 Kills
-[Red69]- Nitric - 1 Kills
-[Red69]- Bruno - 1 Kills
-[Red69]- Magebox - 1 Kills
-[Red69]- Pitborn - 1 Kills

Grats Knuckle on being at the top of the leaderboards at the end of day 1. Who will be at the top after day 2? Stay tuned to find out.

-[Red69]- Knuckle - 8 Kills
-[Red69]- Money - 4 Kills
-[Red69]- Teehee - 3 Kills
-[Red69]- Drizzy - 3 Kills
-[Red69]- Grimtoad - 3 Kills
-[Red69]- Kilinitic - 3 Kills
-[Red69]- Sorath - 2 Kills
-[Red69]- Chlamydia - 2 Kills
-[Red69]- Sojourner - 2 Kills
-[Red69]- Hammertime - 2 Kills

Looks like Knuckle is still dominating at the end of day 2. What a boss.

[Darksinga]

Repeat kills don't get counted on the leaderboard.

Repeat kills do get counted on the leaderboard buddy.

as long as their in that 10 lvl range you get pvp credit on board

[Lazortag]

Repeat kills do get counted on the leaderboard buddy.

as long as their in that 10 lvl range you get pvp credit on board

At some point they didn't count because Knuckle's kill history shows 8 different people.

[Aesop]

lol Money the plugger

[juicedsixfo]

Crushbone has been like a war zone. Gotta love when you get level 20's picking off level 10's and then the level 30's show up. It's a nice hand over fist reaction.

-/+10 levels seems like a bit much to me. It just opens a larger window for griefers.

[juicedsixfo]

I guess tomorrow (8/2) devnoob is removing boxing for a trial run.

[JayDee]

any server with leaderboard will die

I say that as if it wouldnt otherwise

[Jadian]

Pretty lame so far with the boxers and the people hanging out in zones they know will only have people 8-9 levels below em, but hell I'll prolly keep playing just because I'm bored and there's nothing better to do.

[Aesop]

is it 10 level limit? I don't think so I got demolished in like one nuke by a 38 mage and I was only 24.

[Aesop]

This was yesterday

[Lazortag]

As day 3 comes to a close Knuckle is still the box champ with 14 straight kills and no deaths:

<@Red69> -[Red69]- Knuckle - 14 Kills
<@Red69> -[Red69]- Raxx - 9 Kills
<@Red69> -[Red69]- Kilinitic - 9 Kills
<@Red69> -[Red69]- Yehuda - 8 Kills
<@Red69> -[Red69]- Obamacare - 6 Kills
<@Red69> -[Red69]- Money - 6 Kills
<@Red69> -[Red69]- Ghost - 4 Kills
<@Red69> -[Red69]- Runya - 4 Kills
<@Red69> -[Red69]- Drizzy - 4 Kills
<@Red69> -[Red69]- Teehee - 3 Kills

[bakkily]

hows this server? just wondering if it seems better then all the pvp ones, if so thinking ill spend more/most of my eq time here

[Shrubwise]

It's about 3 days old. Time will tell.

[Salty]

Server is pretty fun.

Lvl 30~

Abacab doin huge things, top 10. Kids always crying about boxing in ooc because they suck at lvling.

[Aenor]

So, boxing will be removed but no server wipe? Huge barrier to entry for new players. People who jumped in early got to race to the level cap with 3 boxes per IP. Once the single box limit is imposed, those people will still have all the leveled toons thanks to boxing, but new players will have to look for groups. If you're going to change the rules, wipe the server. Otherwise leave boxing in so new players have the same opportunity to level as the early adopters.

[Cwall]

So, boxing will be removed but no server wipe? Huge barrier to entry for new players. People who jumped in early got to race to the level cap with 3 boxes per IP. Once the single box limit is imposed, those people will still have all the leveled toons thanks to boxing, but new players will have to look for groups. If you're going to change the rules, wipe the server. Otherwise leave boxing in so new players have the same opportunity to level as the early adopters.

I didn't box and look at me now, mom and dad.

[Stickyfingers]

New Rundown:
FFA PvP +/- 10

Spells file available at (eqpvp.com)

Boxing is not allowed

Zone spawns are not completly classic (only classic zones available though), I believe the spawn timer on most mobs is around 10 min? Haven't confirmed but it feel like that.

Uses old zones (so replacing the spell file in a configured P99 or VZTZ eq directory will work just fine)

Coin loot

XP: Not Classic, but slower than Secrets VZTZ server now.
Weapon graphics, world messages...etc are updated

Global OOC is enabled

[Knuckle]

First time reading this thread, some serious lawls going on.

[juicedsixfo]

As day 3 comes to a close Knuckle is still the box champ with 14 straight kills and no deaths:

They just made a change today because I guess people who weren't in guilds weren't having their kills register. Which would explain a lot because I've seen a lot more than just those those handful of names in yt.

[Lazortag]

Day 4 closes and Knuckle is still wrecking face:

<@Red69> -[Red69]- Knuckle - 21 Kills
<@Red69> -[Red69]- Raxx - 11 Kills
<@Red69> -[Red69]- Money - 10 Kills
<@Red69> -[Red69]- Kilinitic - 10 Kills
<@Red69> -[Red69]- Yehuda - 9 Kills
<@Red69> -[Red69]- Obamacare - 6 Kills
<@Red69> -[Red69]- Deattas - 5 Kills
<@Red69> -[Red69]- Teehee - 4 Kills
<@Red69> -[Red69]- Drizzy - 4 Kills
<@Red69> -[Red69]- Runya - 4 Kills

<@Red69> -[Red69]- Total Time Played (Hours): 16.30

he averages ~1.2883 kills an hour! Not bad. And still no deaths.

[naez]

Obamacare - 6 Kills

[juicedsixfo]

Day 4 closes and Knuckle is still wrecking face:

<@Red69> -[Red69]- Knuckle - 21 Kills
he averages ~1.2883 kills an hour! Not bad. And still no deaths.

Well he jumped into the CB/Gfay zone line and plugged last night when we came in. Those are a lot of kills (if killing low teens counts) but I wouldn't call it "wrecking face." He hasn't died though, I'll give him that.

Don't you hate those rolling thunderstorms that randomly seem to kill your connection? :)

[JayDee]

he averages ~1.2883 kills an hour! Not bad. And still no deaths.

Secret admirer exposed

[rak-012]

This looks pretty neat. Might have to give it a try.

Whats the current population on the box?

[juicedsixfo]

This looks pretty neat. Might have to give it a try.

Whats the current population on the box?

Hovers around 45, max of 98 so far. Slowly expanding, so give it a shot.

[Prince]

Obamacare - 6 Kills

pretty sure its killed more than that olo

[Bardalicious]

Hovers around 45, max of 98 so far. Slowly expanding, so give it a shot.

That max was with 2-boxing enabled lolz??... so yes, roughly 45

[Aesop]

nah the max was at least 70+ after he made it one box only.

[Shrubwise]

Yesterday was 1-box only, and when I logged on around 8pm there was over 70 players.

[Bloodfart]

This morning I was eating my cheerios trying to gather chunks of bronze ore when Obamacare came up to me. He wasn't trying to fight but I panicked when I noticed I could hurt him (assumed he was higher than pvp range). A quick snare dot, harm touch, and some rusty two-handed sword brought him down hard.

Great way to start the day. I was quite surprised as I wasn't prepared for piping yet at level 15. Though I am an old school hardcore.

[Vile]

What class big Knuck?

[Salty]

Yesterday was 1-box only, and when I logged on around 8pm there was over 70 players.

Retarded to have 1box when there isn't over 200 players.

I stopped playing, this server is going to be dead. New players aren't going to be able to level their characters.

A reality that comes with no boxing on a low populated server. No point in spending time leveling up.

To quote Tonomar:

Well said pal, I am done with EQ unless Red99 comes out. Not going to be pouring anymore of my time into some scrub ass pvp server, that probably won't last more than a month.



http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/mmorpg-general-discussion/174923d1308659728-red99-everquest-pvp-emu-pvp.png

[solid]

i miss my justin.tv stream :(

[Tonomar]

Hmm, checked the population of Red69 when I got home today around 7pm est, and it was up to 101 players... That's actually pretty decent, however, I just checked 40 mins later and it's back down to 44? I'd say if it gets up to around 150 at prime time for like 2 weeks straight I might give it another shot.

Still kinda pointless with Red99 lurking in the background, because you know when/IF it gets released it will clean house of any pvp server we've ever seen. Really don't know what to do bros, haven't been this confused since band camp.

[Krimsin]

Hmm, checked the population of Red69 when I got home today around 7pm est, and it was up to 101 players... That's actually pretty decent, however, I just checked 40 mins later and it's back down to 44? I'd say if it gets up to around 150 at prime time for like 2 weeks straight I might give it another shot.

Still kinda pointless with Red99 lurking in the background, because you know when/IF it gets released it will clean house of any pvp server we've ever seen. Really don't know what to do bros, haven't been this confused since band camp.

World server crashed, it was legit 100 for a while today.

[nalkin]

Retarded to have 1box when there isn't over 200 players.


If it isn't 1 box then over 200 real people won't play it. Most people prefer servers that don't allow boxing.

[JayDee]

why people are burning themselves out on a placeholder server is beyond me

[Shrubwise]

Who said anything about burning out? More like wasting time. Having fun while doing it, too.

[naez]

its better to burn out than to fade away -thomas jefferson

[Shrubwise]

Naez why you stealin avatar gifs now mang

[Bardalicious]

Naez why you stealin avatar gifs now mang

bc hes not ur fuckin monkey

[Shrubwise]

This is an A and B conversation so why don't you get the fuck outta it

[Kassel]

"c your way out of it"

[Bardalicious]

This is an A and B conversation so why don't you get the fuck outta it

bc i'm not ur fucking monkey either

[Shrubwise]

Here Bardalicious, I found a sweet shirt you can buy for your awesome retort!

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[Bardalicious]

Here Bardalicious, I found a sweet shirt you can buy for your awesome retort!

Woah SICK BURN BRO.

[Shrubwise]

http://www.thefirstruleaboutfightclubisyoudonottalkaboutf ightclub.com/images/notmonkeywhat.jpg

[naez]

i agree with everything you just said

[Halister]

That must be one of the most annoying signatures of all time.

[Bardalicious]

http://www.thefirstruleaboutfightclubisyoudonottalkaboutf ightclub.com/images/notmonkeywhat.jpg

monkey tits

also, nice personal repository of memes fgt:

http://www.thefirstruleaboutfightclubisyoudonottalkaboutf ightclub.com/images/

[boss]

"c your way out of it"


But hes so D E F that he G'd his way back in

[naez]

That must be one of the most annoying signatures of all time.

[Shrubwise]

monkey tits

also, nice personal repository of memes fgt:

http://www.thefirstruleaboutfightclubisyoudonottalkaboutf ightclub.com/images/

You're one to talk memes, bro

[Bardalicious]

You're one to talk memes, bro

Am I? I don't have a personal web server set up as a repository for them. That automatically disqualifies you from insulting someone because of the lame factor involved.

HAY GUISE CHECK OUT MY SWEET COLLECTION OF MEME'S

[Shrubwise]

Am I? I don't have a personal web server set up as a repository for them. That automatically disqualifies you from insulting someone because of the lame factor involved.

HAY GUISE CHECK OUT MY SWEET COLLECTION OF MEME'S

You are. I have a personal web server to store images I have created. Images which do tons of pwn damage to less-awesome people such as yourself (ones without personal web servers, duh)

Now you've used the term bro, fgt, and 'hay guise', three memes. I on the udderhand cleverly posted a cute t-shirt for you to wear to the mall (don't worry - they make it in female sizes) without using a single meme. Also, Naez, quite possibly the sage of all things Happy and Good has endorsed my posts.

Who's the winner? ME ME

[Bardalicious]

rabble rabble I have a personal web server to store images rabble rabble

Excuse me while I continue to rofl.

Who wants to come over and drink Mt. Dew til 3 in the morning and make epic meme pictures with me to store on my web server to pwn newbs on the internet with?!

[Knuckle]

so i've learned there's a new level to fame, you don't even have to log in and you achieve box glory, it's the next level of computer game fame. the only higher level is when u can make like a 6 digit career outta gaming. I've acheived maximum amateur glory

[naez]

i drink mtn dew with my fav brand of high gravity malt liquor because pussies got all the energy drink bullshit removed from it

[Knuckle]

i drink mtn dew with my fav brand of high gravity malt liquor because pussies got all the energy drink bullshit removed from it

its true, but a black man in gainesville at a gas station told me he thought they kept the energy drink stuff in some four loco cuz he gave some to his wifey and said she went crazy...so i think if u go to a gas station in gainesville with black man u can get the energy drink four locos

[Bardalicious]

i drink mtn dew with my fav brand of high gravity malt liquor because pussies got all the energy drink bullshit removed from it

Yeah, I can understand why they wanted to remove caffeine from alcoholic beverages but lets be realistic about it. People will still mix caffeine with alcohol anyways. It's not like they made it illegal to do Jager Bombs, or any bomb shots for that matter, at bars. Not like they banned mixing Coke, Pepsi, Mt. Dew etc with hard alcohol.

[wrxBRAH]

Thought id give this server a shot being a pvp nub in eq and fell for the jump down the well in befallen for a group trick. lulz were had just not by me.

Wipe it Clean were fagging it up claiming their superiority with their 4v1.

On a seperate note, what level can rogues hide/sneak their way down there? I have a few feared corpses I need to recover.

[muffins]

Thought id give this server a shot being a pvp nub in eq and fell for the jump down the well in befallen for a group trick. lulz were had just not by me.

Wipe it Clean were fagging it up claiming their superiority with their 4v1.

On a seperate note, what level can rogues hide/sneak their way down there? I have a few feared corpses I need to recover.

who r u on p99

[wrxBRAH]

who r u on p99

Blob.

[Salty]

37 online on a sat~

NO BOXING GREAT IDEA

[Amuk]

Yeah haha, and a few people cried about loot saturation so now drop rates been nerfed to shit. We had 6 individual people sitting at eboots on a 35 pop server uncontested obviously for around 3 hrs and had efreeti drop nothing when he spawned, jokes.

I apologise for advertising this server, clearly the gms can get trolled into anything - I'll wait for red99 with the rest of the addicts I suppose.

[Bardalicious]

I apologise for advertising this server, clearly the gms can get trolled into anything - I'll wait for red99 with the rest of the addicts I suppose.

If only you had listened to this hacking piece of shit.

[Lazortag]

so i've learned there's a new level to fame, you don't even have to log in and you achieve box glory, it's the next level of computer game fame. the only higher level is when u can make like a 6 digit career outta gaming. I've acheived maximum amateur glory

you have me to thank. It was very fun while it lasted, unfortunately someone finally got a kill on me, so I was forced to bind in the tower in crushbone deathloop myself forever. Or rather, deathloop "knuckle" forever. I lol'd a bit at the people who actually thought it was you. You have a lot of admirers, I'll tell you that.

I still find it amusing that a bluebie was (and still is) at the top of the leaderboards since day 1. Then again I can gladly admit that it took no skill whatsoever. 26-1, RIP Knuckle, we hardly ever knew you.

[Tonomar]

Yeah, the two GM's bite on any bitch or moan a player has. Log in one day, pets don't zone with you, poof when you invis, and die when you log out. Bitching follows... The following day pets now zone with you, just at 50% health... Explain the logic behind that, would ya? lol, server is shit.

[Bardalicious]

you have me to thank. It was very fun while it lasted, unfortunately someone finally got a kill on me, so I was forced to bind in the tower in crushbone deathloop myself forever. Or rather, deathloop "knuckle" forever. I lol'd a bit at the people who actually thought it was you. You have a lot of admirers, I'll tell you that.

I still find it amusing that a bluebie was (and still is) at the top of the leaderboards since day 1. Then again I can gladly admit that it took no skill whatsoever. 26-1, RIP Knuckle, we hardly ever knew you.

Hahaha. Nice work Lazortag, bluebie be stylin' on all you bitches.

[Vile]

Can't box.. can't level.. wtf

[Bloodfart]

I cant believe how fucking negative most pvp players seem to be.

This server is fantastic and if everyone just plays instead of bitches when they see the population lower than they think it ought to be, it will continue and grow.

We finally have a solid pvp server with great working rules and as far as i can see no bugs.

Get your asses online and assrape me.

[Amuk]

It's just the common sense part that's missing. The population is growing and server has interest so they twitch change it to no boxing. Well now you made 10 people happy, and made it impossible for further growth since it's a 50 pop server. I agree no boxing classic eq red99 will be amazing, but this server doesn't have that credibility. I mean it's completely retarded, to think people will find grps to level characters with that many people online I just can't put into words the lack of vision.

NOT only that, the few nerds that mashed mages up to 50 in the first couple days cried about loot saturation, only because certain mobs were buggy and spawned 100% of the time, for example Nox Spider, and Tranix was on a 1 hr spawntime. So the nerds cry about loot saturation and drop rates were nerfed across the server. Noone is going to play a 50 pop server that you have to spend 8-10 hrs camping stupid shit, once again it will work on red99 but fucking babysteps, at least get some interest first.

I mean the server had potential, the coding is good, the gm's are active but holy fuck can those two kill their own server. They took a perfectly good growing population and shit all over it - I'm done I deleted my toons, won't play another Image/Dev server, like the guys, but they certainly can't keep their dumbfuck ideas out of the way. On KAB they added a patch to make dispells hit random buffs, and refused to change it back, that should have been a fucking sign for me.

[Tonomar]

It's just the common sense part that's missing. The population is growing and server has interest so they twitch change it to no boxing. Well now you made 10 people happy, and made it impossible for further growth since it's a 50 pop server. I agree no boxing classic eq red99 will be amazing, but this server doesn't have that credibility. I mean it's completely retarded, to think people will find grps to level characters with that many people online I just can't put into words the lack of vision.

NOT only that, the few nerds that mashed mages up to 50 in the first couple days cried about loot saturation, only because certain mobs were buggy and spawned 100% of the time, for example Nox Spider, and Tranix was on a 1 hr spawntime. So the nerds cry about loot saturation and drop rates were nerfed across the server. Noone is going to play a 50 pop server that you have to spend 8-10 hrs camping stupid shit, once again it will work on red99 but fucking babysteps, at least get some interest first.

I mean the server had potential, the coding is good, the gm's are active but holy fuck can those two kill their own server. They took a perfectly good growing population and shit all over it - I'm done I deleted my toons, won't play another Image/Dev server, like the guys, but they certainly can't keep their dumbfuck ideas out of the way. On KAB they added a patch to make dispells hit random buffs, and refused to change it back, that should have been a fucking sign for me.

QFT, +1, I fully agree with the OP.

[Salty]

It's just the common sense part that's missing. The population is growing and server has interest so they twitch change it to no boxing. Well now you made 10 people happy, and made it impossible for further growth since it's a 50 pop server. I agree no boxing classic eq red99 will be amazing, but this server doesn't have that credibility. I mean it's completely retarded, to think people will find grps to level characters with that many people online I just can't put into words the lack of vision.

NOT only that, the few nerds that mashed mages up to 50 in the first couple days cried about loot saturation, only because certain mobs were buggy and spawned 100% of the time, for example Nox Spider, and Tranix was on a 1 hr spawntime. So the nerds cry about loot saturation and drop rates were nerfed across the server. Noone is going to play a 50 pop server that you have to spend 8-10 hrs camping stupid shit, once again it will work on red99 but fucking babysteps, at least get some interest first.

I mean the server had potential, the coding is good, the gm's are active but holy fuck can those two kill their own server. They took a perfectly good growing population and shit all over it - I'm done I deleted my toons, won't play another Image/Dev server, like the guys, but they certainly can't keep their dumbfuck ideas out of the way. On KAB they added a patch to make dispells hit random buffs, and refused to change it back, that should have been a fucking sign for me.

+1

[fiegi]

It's just the common sense part that's missing. The population is growing and server has interest so they twitch change it to no boxing. Well now you made 10 people happy, and made it impossible for further growth since it's a 50 pop server. I agree no boxing classic eq red99 will be amazing, but this server doesn't have that credibility. I mean it's completely retarded, to think people will find grps to level characters with that many people online I just can't put into words the lack of vision.

NOT only that, the few nerds that mashed mages up to 50 in the first couple days cried about loot saturation, only because certain mobs were buggy and spawned 100% of the time, for example Nox Spider, and Tranix was on a 1 hr spawntime. So the nerds cry about loot saturation and drop rates were nerfed across the server. Noone is going to play a 50 pop server that you have to spend 8-10 hrs camping stupid shit, once again it will work on red99 but fucking babysteps, at least get some interest first.

I mean the server had potential, the coding is good, the gm's are active but holy fuck can those two kill their own server. They took a perfectly good growing population and shit all over it - I'm done I deleted my toons, won't play another Image/Dev server, like the guys, but they certainly can't keep their dumbfuck ideas out of the way. On KAB they added a patch to make dispells hit random buffs, and refused to change it back, that should have been a fucking sign for me.

+2. That dispell change they did on K&B was about as dumb as it gets.

[Amuk]

Banned anyway so it's official I can forget about it haha, going to try Feenix wow emu out till red99 =D

[Tonomar]

Rofl, what'd the faggots ban you for?

[Nyrod]

bad press prolly lulz

[JayDee]

Banned anyway so it's official I can forget about it haha, going to try Feenix wow emu out till red99 =D

There is 0 pvp on that server til you reach the highest level battlegrounds.

Otherwise it's a big empty ghost town of a server besides cities and hot spots.

[Bardalicious]

Banned anyway so it's official I can forget about it haha, going to try Feenix wow emu out till red99 =D

Your eyes have finally been opened. Better late than never I guess.

Devnoob / Image are better off running blue servers because the only thing they do to red is fucking kill it with terrible ideas.

[Titanuk]

red99 out yet?

[Bardalicious]

bad press prolly lulz

Shocking that Image and Devnoob banned someone for what they posted on a forum.

CAN I LAY THE SARCASM ON ANY THICKER? :rolleyes:

[Tonomar]

HAhaha, looks like they banned me from the forums and deleted a lot of posts. What a bunch of nazi fucks.

[Salty]

same

[Littlegyno]

How is this news that they're both cocksuckers who ban anybody who disagrees with them?

COME ON GUYS.

[Tonomar]

How is this news that they're both cocksuckers who ban anybody who disagrees with them?

COME ON GUYS.

Wow, your avatar is HILARIOUS.

[Bloodfart]

Server is doing alright.

You guys really need to chill and stop being the internet's most negative of pussy nancy fucks.

They made a change to dispel you disagree with yet isn't gamebreaking? cry more.

fucking pathetic thing to bitch and whine about.

Your attitudes will always result in you finding something worth leaving over. If there's enough like-minded douches like yourselves then you'll forever doom any pvp server.

[muffins]

Project Zek is up with an active coder/severop, and allows 2boxing also. Server's based off vztz code with fixes actively being sourced in. Just saying.

[Salty]

Server is doing alright.

You guys really need to chill and stop being the internet's most negative of pussy nancy fucks.

They made a change to dispel you disagree with yet isn't gamebreaking? cry more.

fucking pathetic thing to bitch and whine about.

Your attitudes will always result in you finding something worth leaving over. If there's enough like-minded douches like yourselves then you'll forever doom any pvp server.

If what we said was false, your server wouldn't have 30 people on average during a weekend.

[juicedsixfo]

If what we said was false, your server wouldn't have 30 people on average during a weekend.

How many does yours have?

[Salty]

How many does yours have?

30 people isn't a healthy pvp server, sorry bro.


I brought these people to vztz from the best EQ forum on the Internet. So, I declare victory over you.


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[juicedsixfo]

30 people isn't a healthy pvp server, sorry bro.

I brought these people to vztz from the best EQ forum on the Internet. So, I declare victory over you.

I'm not saying 30 is ~healthy~, I don't think anyone is. If one person had the solution we'd all be playing there. Don't hate just cause you got banned for hacking.

Also congratulations on being relevant in 2009, I guess.

[Salty]

I'm not saying 30 is ~healthy~, I don't think anyone is. If one person had the solution we'd all be playing there. Don't hate just cause you got banned for hacking.

Also congratulations on being relevant in 2009, I guess.

I didn't get banned from hacking from that server nor p99.

You kids love to think that.



2009 was the biggest pvp experience in EQEMU's entire history.

Sorry to break it to ya bro. We are trying to fight to get it back.

Glad there are people like you who think the 30 pop servers are worth fighting for so I have someone to call stupid.

[juicedsixfo]

I didn't get banned from hacking from that server nor p99.

You kids love to think that.


Well, when a dev smites you server wide and says "stop fucking hacking" in ooc, I tend to believe them. You want the screenshots?

[Salty]

Well, when a dev smites you server wide and says "stop fucking hacking" in ooc, I tend to believe them. You want the screenshots?

Ya, because I slay kids all the time with my leet hax.


:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Darksinga]

If you got killed by Devnoob then you definitely had some sort of third party program running. They log every single command and ban people daily.

How do you think ProjectZek has 16 people on atm? That's about the # of people who got banned.

On a side note: population still gets to 60 on peak, just wish people didn't flop servers so insanely fast. It's the same shit over and over, lets just pick a server and get some good peeveepee

[fiegi]

Chuck n Pals are just bored of the eq emu servers constantly dying and restarting. We are holding out hope for red99:D

[Bardalicious]

If you got killed by Devnoob then you definitely had some sort of third party program running. They log every single command and ban people daily.


Shut up noob.

[wrxBRAH]

You guys wont be happy even when there is a red99.

[Bardalicious]

You guys wont be happy even when there is a red99.

Wrong.

[fiegi]

We are always happy

[muffins]

Chuck n Pals are just bored of the eq emu servers constantly dying and restarting. We are holding out hope for red99:D

should check out project zek.

[Banai]

go red99 gusy

[Darksinga]

Devnoob kill:third party program running
Devnoob kill: Bardalicious death


:(

[naez]

/_ 0 /_

[Tonomar]

You guys wont be happy even when there is a red99.

I think you're on to something.. XP rate on P99 blue is horrendous, I literally don't think I could do it even if there was PVP. We're talking 3 hours play time to get lvl 4, I really don't think I could handle that.

[naez]

red99 would need at least 420% xp bonus

[XiakenjaTZ]

It would probably help with the hacking. Bigger loss if you get caught.

You have to build that sense of community if you want something good long term.

Xiak

[juicedsixfo]

I think you're on to something.. XP rate on P99 blue is horrendous, I literally don't think I could do it even if there was PVP. We're talking 3 hours play time to get lvl 4, I really don't think I could handle that.

I'm with you on this one. Everyone is begging for Red99 mainly for the idea of warm and fuzzy stability, but I think the allure will die out rather quickly amongst the PvP crowd when they are level 6 with 20 hours played. Fuck that. The good PvP doesn't start until you're max level and fighting for camps, period. Yeah, enjoying being any sort of melee for the first year.

I just wish people could pick one box and fucking stick to it. Instead, they get their panties in a wad because they were banned for hacking and try to play it off on the forums and bad mouth the GMs for doing their job. Pathetic.

[Bardalicious]

Fuck that. The good PvP doesn't start until you're max level and fighting for camps, period. Yeah, enjoying being any sort of melee for the first year.

You're doing it wrong if you have to be level 50 to enjoy PVP, sorry.

[juicedsixfo]

You're doing it wrong if you have to be level 50 to enjoy PVP, sorry.

I enjoy stabbing people for 12 dmg on my level 28 Rogue just as much as the next guy, but the good stuff is interrupting a Hate raid, Naggy fights, et cetera. You know that.

[JayDee]

Exp needs to be live like to promote low level pvp and give sense of accomplishment and incentive to play within the rules.

[JayDee]

I enjoy stabbing people for 12 dmg on my level 28 Rogue just as much as the next guy, but the good stuff is interrupting a Hate raid, Naggy fights, et cetera. You know that.

The good stuff is having 500 people in gfay and wars happening in every corner of the zone ranging from newbs to veterans imo.

[Shrubwise]

Exp needs to be live like to promote low level pvp and give sense of accomplishment and incentive to play within the rules.

[Tonomar]

Exp needs to be live like to promote low level pvp and give sense of accomplishment and incentive to play within the rules.

Yeah, I definitely agree. It just sucks, and I would contemplate making fun of myself IRL if I were to spend 20 hrs to get lvl 6 on a video game.

[Marglar]

your goal can't be to powergrind levels on a pvp server. you have to be willing to take on 50% of your play time being thrown away at battling other players and corpse runs. you have to bind closer to your pve locations to save grief. you have to take the time to make friends and form alliances to maintain zone control

reputation really matters on pvp servers, too.

those saying increase the exp rate / low level pvp sucks, you really don't know what you're missing. certain classes accel at different levels throughout the game. it's really a blast seeing how you fair throughout the entire leveling process.

is raid/zone control pvp a blast? hell yes. is low and mid level pvp equally fun? hell yes. who says you can't have an epic war for zone control of a lowbie dungeon like blackburrow?

[wrxBRAH]

You're doing it wrong if you have to be level 50 to enjoy PVP, sorry.

Well as much as i would love to just mash my round kick button for 3months trying to level, pvp tends to be more fun when there are more abilities.

in b4 monks suck at pvp.

The pvp crowd here seems very hard to please. Some feel they should be allowed to run 3rd party programs and hack while others oppose it. Some want the true pvp experience of having a legit server while others want certain things to be custom such as xp and soulbinders. You cant make everyone happy and theres always going to be a mouth breather on the forums claiming the server sucks and now their 500 friends + dont want to play on it unless things go their way. Thats why I said even with a Red99, you guys wont be happy. You'll find a reason to bitch, moan and quit.

[juicedsixfo]

The pvp crowd here seems very hard to please. Some feel they should be allowed to run 3rd party programs and hack while others oppose it. Some want the true pvp experience of having a legit server while others want certain things to be custom such as xp and soulbinders. You cant make everyone happy and theres always going to be a mouth breather on the forums claiming the server sucks and now their 500 friends + dont want to play on it unless things go their way. Thats why I said even with a Red99, you guys wont be happy. You'll find a reason to bitch, moan and quit.

Pretty spot on. People want it "my way or the high way" even though it's not their server.

[Marglar]

stay as classic as possible - as with p1999 blue, you'll see a lot of success.

people can piss and moan all they want - the reason we are all here is we miss the live classic experience. no need to improve upon what already worked just to appease a percentage.

[k1n0]

I'm still pursuing it! Working on it right now actually. :)

let me know how that goes been wanting to start my own but dont have the right stuff to do it correctly

[Bardalicious]

The good stuff is having 500 people in gfay and wars happening in every corner of the zone ranging from newbs to veterans imo.

This right here. It's not like the P99 model is something new. It's been tested and it works. Classic PVP servers were no different in terms of xp rate, so unless you only started EQ PVP in the Emu world, you should know this. And if you did only start in the Emu world, then it's time your eyes were opened to a whole new world of PVP.

As fun as it is fighting over raid mobs, it should be just as fun spending your time leveling and fighting over places to xp. It's the slow progress that FORCED people to play through every aspect of the game and cherish everything they earned. Without it, nobody works together and nobody gives a shit about their character or their reputation and it breeds trolls and a general "fuck everyone else" attitude at the end game.

No thanks, we've seen time and time again how that doesn't exactly work on these hundreds of PVP boxes that have folded.

[Billbike]

This right here. It's not like the P99 model is something new. It's been tested and it works. Classic PVP servers were no different in terms of xp rate, so unless you only started EQ PVP in the Emu world, you should know this. And if you did only start in the Emu world, then it's time your eyes were opened to a whole new world of PVP.

As fun as it is fighting over raid mobs, it should be just as fun spending your time leveling and fighting over places to xp. It's the slow progress that FORCED people to play through every aspect of the game and cherish everything they earned. Without it, nobody works together and nobody gives a shit about their character or their reputation and it breeds trolls and a general "fuck everyone else" attitude at the end game.

No thanks, we've seen time and time again how that doesn't exactly work on these hundreds of PVP boxes that have folded.


This.

[juicedsixfo]

It's the slow progress that FORCED people to play through every aspect of the game and cherish everything they earned.

Do you generally cherish things you are FORCED to do?

I agree with you in principal but the exp rate is just horrendous. It literally takes 20 hours of playing time to get level 6. As with most of us here, if I'm coming back to play en emulated version of game I used to love; it won't be to grind again. You'd think since the "purpose" of Red99 is PvP, that it would be possible for it to have an exp rate increase – not godlike, but just a bump. I really think people are underestimating how bad it is, and pair that with classic hp/mana regen.

I'd suggest to anyone who is curious to start up a guy on p1999 and see how awesome it is being level 5 for six hours.

[Bardalicious]

Do you generally cherish things you are FORCED to do?

I agree with you in principal but the exp rate is just horrendous. It literally takes 20 hours of playing time to get level 6. As with most of us here, if I'm coming back to play en emulated version of game I used to love; it won't be to grind again. You'd think since the "purpose" of Red99 is PvP, that it would be possible for it to have an exp rate increase – not godlike, but just a bump. I really think people are underestimating how bad it is, and pair that with classic hp/mana regen.

I'd suggest to anyone who is curious to start up a guy on p1999 and see how awesome it is being level 5 for six hours.


I certainly cherished everything I earned in original EQ, down to every last peice of cloth armor, derv ring, sister belt etc. Which was a side effect of slow xp rate. The concept of EQ was to socialize and work together. PVP was an added dimension to that original vision, it wasn't meant to overthrow and take away from it.

Getting to level 6 does not take 20 hours. Yes, the grind is slow, but that's the point of trying to enjoy yourself at every level. There is a common misconception that PVP can only be enjoyable at level 50 and it's blatantly false. If you suffer from that misconception, I stand by the argument that you never knew "classic PVP".

Being level 8 in crushbone, grinding xp with a group of red pals on trainer hill and fending off the constant threat of other groups trying to take your shiny brass shield camp is just as much fun to me as any pvp at level 50. What's different? You have different spells to cast? There are more trains and griefing? You are fighting over different pixels? PVP is PVP no matter the level.

Some people choose to stop at level 20 and log on only to hunt people. Some people choose to continue grinding and work through the game to reach 50 for PVP and raids. The beauty of a classic server is it gives people those choices. Having LOLEZ3timesXP-PVPSERVER only takes away from all of the content prior to 50 and forces everyone to zerg to the end for the same old shit that we've experienced on every fail red box to grace the list.

[juicedsixfo]

I had a rogue on RZ that stayed level 20 for years. Like I said, I understand on principal, but I don't know how anyone has the time a decade later to invest in a time sink like original EverQuest, let alone an emulated version. I just wanna be max level and go from there. If the exp is decent I don't mind it so much, but man, p99 is slow as shit. But that's me.

[Envious]

Leveling slow has a shit ton of benefits. Not going to repeat them for you. But there are more than has been listed here.

[XiakenjaTZ]

I tried blue 99. xp sucks for something i would leave in a heartbeat when red99 comes out. i only wish to punish myself once.

[Lasher]

like live single box exp for pvp can work if there is a population ,problem is if the populatin is too low classes that cant solo wont be able level very easily. Its great if the populatin for a speculative red99 is high but what do people expect the population to be at peak hours after the hype of the server is gone?

Thinking we will see 400,300, or 200 after a month or two? I hope its high but i put the O/U at 125 after 2 months

[juicedsixfo]

Leveling slow has a shit ton of benefits. Not going to repeat them for you. But there are more than has been listed here.

Dude, p99 isn't just slow – it's fucking painful. Red69 is "slow." I'm tellin' you, people are forgetting how it really was.

[JayDee]

Thinking we will see 400,300, or 200 after a month or two? I hope its high but i put the O/U at 125 after 2 months

This shit placeholder server had what 75 unique players.That is just counting the desperate losers who have nothing better to do with their time and are satisfied with any form of temporary eqpvp fix.

I'd say ~300 is a far more accurate estimate

[Deattas]

300 opening few days, 200 after a month. 100 after two months and the largest guild starts making demands or they'll ragequit off the server.

[juicedsixfo]

This shit placeholder server had what 75 unique players.That is just counting the desperate losers who have nothing better to do with their time and are satisfied with any form of temporary eqpvp fix.

I'd say ~300 is a far more accurate estimate

It had around 100 for a little bit but most of them quit because the exp was "too slow" and they couldn't box. Well just wait until it's drastically slower and they still can't box their way up.

edit: let's not forget exp penalties. Troll SK? lol

[Lasher]

people will play if its a solid server with most of the mechanics working if they can find a group to lvl with. So lets just hope the population is high enough and stays high enough that it does

[Tonomar]

If the server had 100 people, single boxed, that would still be HUGE compared to what we're used to from past boxes. I'm more concerned with GM's getting burnt out due to excessive QQ, which will happen on a pvp server. People will have to put their big boy pants on and learn to let some shit go, simply to aid in the longevity of the server.

[XiakenjaTZ]

yeah but your server was shit compared to the 1999 experience and promise of no hacking ("PROMISE"). If I can play a legit 1999 experience where no one can hack I don't care how much the XP sucks.

What would I prefer? Perhaps bump it up a bit but I want people to earn those levels and I want to replay PvP in the mis levels as well as 50 PvP.

[dusk883]

Xiakenja Monk from The Highland Army? WOW there's a face I haven't seen in a while :D

[Envious]

I'm not suggesting put live like exp rates on these temporary boxes.

But R99, provided it ever fucking launches, should be live like exp and almost certainly will be. And it will pay off. We might end up lacking some fags that will rage quit not being able to ding 50 the first day and box their buff class. But oh well. People like Salty will not play on R99 cause they will either MQ and get kicked and not want to level again, or not use MQ and realize they suck shit.

I honestly think 250 is not unreasonable for the average night on R99. I could see it going up to 400. I dont think you guys realize how many ppl from P99 are from PvP servers and are tired of fucking poopsock and would rather just fight it out.

[Billbike]

I tried blue 99. xp sucks for something i would leave in a heartbeat when red99 comes out. i only wish to punish myself once.

Not everyone can make it on varsity.

[Vile]

We're already seeing how bad 1 boxing cripples PvP on Red69.. I can only try to kill shit solo on my cleric for so long before I wan't to kill myself.

Maybe Red99 would pull the population needed.. but I highly doubt it would be easy for a complete newb to start up a few months (even a few weeks) down the road and find a group of people to level up with.

Unfortunately I believe boxing is 100% needed for a classic PvP server on the emu.

[Vile]

Not everyone can make it on varsity.

:confused:

[Bardalicious]

We're already seeing how bad 1 boxing cripples PvP on Red69.. I can only try to kill shit solo on my cleric for so long before I wan't to kill myself.

Maybe Red99 would pull the population needed.. but I highly doubt it would be easy for a complete newb to start up a few months (even a few weeks) down the road and find a group of people to level up with.

Unfortunately I believe boxing is 100% needed for a classic PvP server on the emu.

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Seriously though. Not only will this server have the strongest PVP population because of server stability and the reputation of those running it alone, but I believe it will also have a calling for blue server players as well.

I know a lot of people jump at the chance to start on a brand new server where everyone starts on the same page. Being able to camp things like jboots, manastones and rubicite again. Again, I touched on this in previous posts. This is where I believe the counter balance of having anti-pk guilds will come in, and those anti-pk guilds will likely be formed by the bluebies that migrate over when the server opens.

[Vile]

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Seriously though. Not only will this server have the strongest PVP population because of server stability and the reputation of those running it alone, but I believe it will also have a calling for blue server players as well.

I know a lot of people jump at the chance to start on a brand new server where everyone starts on the same page. Being able to camp things like jboots, manastones and rubicite again. Again, I touched on this in previous posts. This is where I believe the counter balance of having anti-pk guilds will come in, and those anti-pk guilds will likely be formed by the bluebies that migrate over when the server opens.

PvE forces you to group.. XP is XP..

PVP doesn't work that way. When people fuck in a PUG or are known tards, they will be PK'd.

There will be griefers that don't give a fuck... it doesn't work the way it does on blue. I can't imagine a random group of people forming together to XP, especially with the type of people we deal with.

An anti PK guild on P99 will be destroyed very quickly, mark my words. If there is one, I'll play just to grief them. I can think of a handful of others that would do that same. The true bluebies won't last.

You also haven't come up with a solution to my question.... if the server has been out for a weeks or even a few months, what does a total newbie do with no gear that doesn't play a solo class. The population would have to be 200+ minimum for this to work and I still don't see that new person with no groups to level with lasting long with horrible XP and immediate grief upon the appropriate level.

I don't see the issue with 2 boxing, anyone can level this way and it it puts them at a disadvantage in PvP. The best PvPer is going to run around with full buffs anyway...

[freakyuno]

PvE forces you to group.. XP is XP..

PVP doesn't work that way. When people fuck in a PUG or are known tards, they will be PK'd.

There will be griefers that don't give a fuck... it doesn't work the way it does on blue. I can't imagine a random group of people forming together to XP, especially with the type of people we deal with.

An anti PK guild on P99 will be destroyed very quickly, mark my words. If there is one, I'll play just to grief them. I can think of a handful of others that would do that same. The true bluebies won't last.

You also haven't come up with a solution to my question.... if the server has been out for a weeks or even a few months, what does a total newbie do with no gear that doesn't play a solo class. The population would have to be 200+ minimum for this to work and I still don't see that new person with no groups to level with lasting long with horrible XP and immediate grief upon the appropriate level.

I don't see the issue with 2 boxing, anyone can level this way and it it puts them at a disadvantage in PvP. The best PvPer is going to run around with full buffs anyway...

Generally, you can figure out what the average time it takes to hit the max level is, and figure that between 1 and 2 months after that people will start rolling new characters. There of course is the few that play several along the way, but the problem you describe persists. No boxing = no way for a non-solo class to level up during the spaces between alts and rerolls.

P99 solved this problem with a large enough population that at any given moment, there are a number of characters in each level range, and even with 700+ at times, it's hard to find a group as certain classes.

I dont like boxing for the most part, especially on pvp servers, but it is 1 way to solve this common issue when population suffers. Does it solve more problems than it creates? I'm not so sure.

[Vile]

I dont like boxing for the most part, especially on pvp servers, but it is 1 way to solve this common issue when population suffers. Does it solve more problems than it creates? I'm not so sure.

The only issue I can see is everyone will have buff bots...

If XP isn't as extreme as P99.. there could be a chance for Red99. That would be the only saving grace.

[Shrubwise]

If XP isn't as extreme as P99.. there could be a chance for Red99. That would be the only saving grace.

I disagree, Vile. If anything, I'd like the exp to be a little harsher than P1999. Sure, people bitch and moan about the exp rate, but in the end everyone who wants to can make it to 50.

It will force people to group for quicker experience. It will also force people to group who are not solo classes. When/if Red99 comes out, I believe the hype is enough that there will be a large draw and the population will be able to provide groups for new players.

A slower exp rate (as mentioned before me in this thread) will induce a sense of 'achievement' and also promote anti-shady behavior. If it took you a year to get to 50 (it took me two days short of a year to get 50 on Shrubwise) you're going to second guess loading up hax and losing all your hard work.

P.S. If you never found a buddy for your cleric on Red69, I've got a low level SK who would play with you.

[nilbog]

2 boxing won't be happening on project1999 blue/red.

These same arguments were made for the PVE server. :P

Don't start a server with boxing and it won't be missed. Placate to an individual's frailty, and it will never end.


http://www.therunningcompany.net/therunningco/images/no_robots.jpg

[lethdar]

Single boxing is fine if there is a large enough population to support it, which a red99 would have.

[Kungen]

Is a RED99 server even in the works for real or is it just a dream people have that won't come true?

[XiakenjaTZ]

Really makes you think if you want to level a class to camp stuff or just jump right in with whatever your main will be.

[nalkin]

An anti PK guild on P99 will be destroyed very quickly, mark my words. If there is one, I'll play just to grief them. I can think of a handful of others that would do that same. The true bluebies won't last.

Lol except on the most recent red servers a blue player completely dominated both of them.

[juicedsixfo]

If XP isn't as extreme as P99.. there could be a chance for Red99. That would be the only saving grace.

You are correct. And you can make certain that if the name of the server is indeed Red99, it will follow the same strict guidelines as p1999 which includes race and class penalties on top of an already brutal exp rate.

edit: can anyone confirm or deny if a players exp penalty affects an entire group still? Or was that ever changed? I believe as it stands right now it is multiplied to the entire group.

By Race:
Troll -20%
Iksar -20%
Ogre -15%
Barbarian -5%
Halfling +5%

By Class:
Paladin / Shadowknight / Ranger / Bard -40%
Monk -20%
Wizard / Magician / Enchanter / Necromancer -10%
Rogue +9%
Warrior +10%

[Knuckle]

Single boxing is fine if there is a large enough population to support it, which a red99 would have.

Exactly, one boxxing on the smaller red servers is pointless and forces everyone to roll necro or mage. When red99 releases if i want to play a Monk, Warrior, or even hybrid SK/Pally, it will be feasible.

[Crenshinabon]

Exactly, one boxxing on the smaller red servers is pointless and forces everyone to roll necro or mage. When red99 releases if i want to play a Monk, Warrior, or even hybrid SK/Pally, it will be feasible.

Its entirely possible, you just won't fly through levels and have to kill easier enemies. Last box that lasted too short a time, vztz reloaded, I had a rogue to low 40s just from killing blues and from a small amount of grouping but was still pretty fun and easy. People will always play more necros and mages though because they are the best soloers in games and can solo small group content.

[juicedsixfo]

Its entirely possible, you just won't fly through levels and have to kill easier enemies. Last box that lasted too short a time, vztz reloaded, I had a rogue to low 40s just from killing blues and from a small amount of grouping but was still pretty fun and easy. People will always play more necros and mages though because they are the best soloers in games and can solo small group content.

That last VZTZ box had a super boosted exp rate. Like twice the rate of Red69. Your rogue would have been level 9 on p99.

[Xantille]

Lol except on the most recent red servers a blue player completely dominated both of them.

Ya what the fuck Vile, fake Knuckle had to contend w/ some real PvP heavyweights in Blackburrow on a server that died in ~5 days.

[Vile]

Lol except on the most recent red servers a blue player completely dominated both of them.

Who do you consider red?

No one I know of has been playing the new boxes, so it must be some scrubs..

We're kind of burnt out from wipe after wipe after wipe...

[Vile]

Ya what the fuck Vile, fake Knuckle had to contend w/ some real PvP heavyweights in Blackburrow on a server that died in ~5 days.

Hahaha.


I hope RED99 comes to fruition.

I hope there is an anti-PK guild.

My dick is hard at the thought of destroying said guild with my bros.

Weed will be smoked, battle axes will be laid down and LuLz will be had.

[EkireiTheNecro]

If you are dumb enough to run around with 6 toons, sure. But the majority of people make buff and port bitches. Personally I don't enjoy having to box another 2-3 toons just to be able to keep up with fighting people that are fully raid buffed, have pocket wizzies to spam nukes, pocket healers to spam heals etc, on top of which keeping up with the constant lack of grouping because everyone solos everything.

Or you do like most did on VZ/TZ and setup macros through...wiat for it....MACROQUEST!!!

Now your healbot-box can spam heal you without you having to do **ANYTHING**

Gonna be hilarious watchin' some of the VZ/TZ "greats" try and pvp without their pocket-box toons.

[JayDee]

geegoo apparently killed salty a few times and bluebies think he's good at pvp because he did big things on pve server.

little do they know he was trash

[Vile]

2 boxing won't be happening on project1999 blue/red.

These same arguments were made for the PVE server. :P

Don't start a server with boxing and it won't be missed. Placate to an individual's frailty, and it will never end.


http://www.therunningcompany.net/therunningco/images/no_robots.jpg

PvE != PvP

Unless server pop is a solid 250+ at all times it might work... MIGHT..

[EkireiTheNecro]

Day 1 of Red99 I'm taking the names: Xantille, big AND littlegyno, knuckle, roseanne, and whorella at the very least.

If you're lucky I'll sell these names back to you at a later date.

[Lazortag]

Ya what the fuck Vile, fake Knuckle had to contend w/ some real PvP heavyweights in Blackburrow on a server that died in ~5 days.

I did EXACTLY what you guys do, I just did it better.

I can't believe how much you guys fellate yourselves over your pvp skills when you get most of your yellow text from griefing defenseless nubs, yet when a bluebie does the exact same thing and is top of the leaderboards for most of the server's life (only dying once too), it's somehow not noteworthy. I was frequently killing people higher leveled than me but I remained undefeated throughout the time I played using the same retarded strategies that you guys use (like killing myself in a pve death to avoid yellow text, or befriending people only to kill them later). I didn't even use showeq or MQ like half of the players here, so imagine how much I would have rocked the server if I REALLY stooped to your level.

Most red players on these forums are extremely bad at eq and only know how to master badly coded emu servers that last a few days. The fact that most of you are qqing over the inevitable reality that Red99 will have classically slow exp and won't allow boxing is strong evidence of this. When the server launches I can't wait to here all the bitching about exp penalties and the lack of soulbinders that will probably make half of you quit in the first week. The other half I expect will get caught using showeq.


An anti PK guild on P99 will be destroyed very quickly, mark my words. If there is one, I'll play just to grief them. I can think of a handful of others that would do that same. The true bluebies won't last.

With this kind of attitude I don't think you deserve red99. You guys need to get your shit together and drop the stupid trigger-happy "grief everyone in sight" style of playing if you want your precious server to last and be accessible to anyone outside of your 40 person circle jerk. All the good coding in the world can't make up for the fact that you're still you.

[Vile]

With this kind of attitude I don't think you deserve red99. You guys need to get your shit together and drop the stupid trigger-happy "grief everyone in sight" style of playing if you want your precious server to last and be accessible to anyone outside of your 40 person circle jerk. All the good coding in the world can't make up for the fact that you're still you.

/yawn

I'd be jerking off to ez pixels on P99 if I wanted to play in some fairytale EQ where you fight over camps/mobs in tells and on the message board.

Everyone has their own agenda when it comes to playing this game.. if you want to try to band together the people who want to be your butt buddy in game and slay dragons together go ahead. Other people have other ideas about how to play this game.

As I've already said, if P99 Red comes to fruition, it will be very interesting.

Sadly, I doubt I'll have time to play and grind ridiculous XP because I have a job and I need to buy more cars.

[muffins]

Or you do like most did on VZ/TZ and setup macros through...wiat for it....MACROQUEST!!!

Now your healbot-box can spam heal you without you having to do **ANYTHING**

Gonna be hilarious watchin' some of the VZ/TZ "greats" try and pvp without their pocket-box toons.

I can think of only one thing and it is that you are an idiot.

[Lazortag]

/yawn

I'd be jerking off to ez pixels on P99 if I wanted to play in some fairytale EQ where you fight over camps/mobs in tells and on the message board.

Everyone has their own agenda when it comes to playing this game.. if you want to try to band together the people who want to be your butt buddy in game and slay dragons together go ahead. Other people have other ideas about how to play this game.

As I've already said, if P99 Red comes to fruition, it will be very interesting.

Sadly, I doubt I'll have time to play and grind ridiculous XP because I have a job and I need to buy more cars.

Grow up. Seriously. You're allowed to enjoy making people's lives miserable and getting a big chubby every time you get yellow text, but I'm allowed to tell you that you're pathetic for it. I'm also allowed to point out that what you find fun is part of the reason emu pvp servers are inaccessible to most people. But hey, you have your idea about how to play the game, and if you like it so much that you'll risk an average population of 40 people (as has become the norm with every red server), go right ahead.

[Xantille]

I did EXACTLY what you guys do, I just did it better.

I can't believe how much you guys fellate yourselves over your pvp skills when you get most of your yellow text from griefing defenseless nubs, yet when a bluebie does the exact same thing and is top of the leaderboards for most of the server's life (only dying once too), it's somehow not noteworthy. I was frequently killing people higher leveled than me but I remained undefeated throughout the time I played using the same retarded strategies that you guys use (like killing myself in a pve death to avoid yellow text, or befriending people only to kill them later). I didn't even use showeq or MQ like half of the players here, so imagine how much I would have rocked the server if I REALLY stooped to your level.

Most red players on these forums are extremely bad at eq and only know how to master badly coded emu servers that last a few days. The fact that most of you are qqing over the inevitable reality that Red99 will have classically slow exp and won't allow boxing is strong evidence of this. When the server launches I can't wait to here all the bitching about exp penalties and the lack of soulbinders that will probably make half of you quit in the first week. The other half I expect will get caught using showeq.



With this kind of attitude I don't think you deserve red99. You guys need to get your shit together and drop the stupid trigger-happy "grief everyone in sight" style of playing if you want your precious server to last and be accessible to anyone outside of your 40 person circle jerk. All the good coding in the world can't make up for the fact that you're still you.

Looks like I struck a nerve that led to a wall of ragetext. No one cares.

If I acknowledge your super awesome PvP accomplishments, will we deserve a red99 then pal?

[JayDee]

vile in his new car

http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/attachments/f152/36283d1158122764-ugly-beautiful-brutsch_mopetta_pipe.jpg

[Xantille]

Day 1 of Red99 I'm taking the names: Xantille, big AND littlegyno, knuckle, roseanne, and whorella at the very least.

If you're lucky I'll sell these names back to you at a later date.

Lololol another satisfied customer.

[Lazortag]

Looks like I struck a nerve that led to a wall of ragetext. No one cares.

If I acknowledge your super awesome PvP accomplishments, will we deserve a red99 then pal?

You don't get it. There was no awesome pvp accomplishment on my end because it takes no skill whatsoever to "win" a pvp server. The proof is in the pudding. A bluebie outclassed everyone, what do you say to that? Either you have to admit that bluebies are better than you, or that pvp requires no skill. Which is it?

[Salty]

You don't get it. There was no awesome pvp accomplishment on my end because it takes no skill whatsoever to "win" a pvp server.

How many people on average are logged into that server?

Oh ya...your accomplishments mean nothing.

Grats on being better than 20 active players?

[freakyuno]

You are correct. And you can make certain that if the name of the server is indeed Red99, it will follow the same strict guidelines as p1999 which includes race and class penalties on top of an already brutal exp rate.

edit: can anyone confirm or deny if a players exp penalty affects an entire group still? Or was that ever changed? I believe as it stands right now it is multiplied to the entire group.

By Race:
Troll -20%
Iksar -20%
Ogre -15%
Barbarian -5%
Halfling +5%

By Class:
Paladin / Shadowknight / Ranger / Bard -40%
Monk -20%
Wizard / Magician / Enchanter / Necromancer -10%
Rogue +9%
Warrior +10%

Not to derail this whole thread, but it's been explained many times how the penalty works on p99. It's NOT multipled to the group.

Experience gained is divided into parts based on the amount of experience you have. Look at it this way:

Group of 4 all with 100,000xp (note: I didnt tell you their level)
Kill a mob worth: 1000xp
They all get 250xp.

The uneven split comes in, because people group with people around their level, a bard at level 20 has 50% more xp than a warrior at 20 (ignoring race to keep the math simple).
Warrior XP: 100,000 = level 20
Bard XP: 150,000 = level 20

When the 1000 xp is split between them, the bard gets more, because his share is calculated based on 150,000 xp.

Make sense?

[Lazortag]

How many people on average are logged into that server?

Oh ya...your accomplishments mean nothing.

Grats on being better than 20 active players?

When I played there were about 70 people online on average, but you still missed the point:

There was no awesome pvp accomplishment on my end because it takes no skill whatsoever to "win" a pvp server.

pvp requires no skill

no skill whatsoever

no awesome pvp accomplishment

Do you get it now?

[Billbike]

Hey, it's not easy playing a necro on classic

[Xantille]

You don't get it. There was no awesome pvp accomplishment on my end because it takes no skill whatsoever to "win" a pvp server. The proof is in the pudding. A bluebie outclassed everyone, what do you say to that? Either you have to admit that bluebies are better than you, or that pvp requires no skill. Which is it?

Neither. As Prince would say, ur dum.

The leaderboard didn't even track unguilded kills for the first few days. Good thing for you, as Big Fake Knuckle, Protector of Blackburrow had a new guildtag each day.

As for 'skill,' of course it didn't take any skill to slay people w/ a necro in the first week of a server. Have you ever tried PvPing on a melee? I would gladly take a dump on you.

[Salty]

As for 'skill,' of course it didn't take any skill to slay people w/ a necro in the first week of a server. Have you ever tried PvPing on a melee? I would gladly take a dump on you.


Giegue won't be shit on red99.

When I played there were about 70 people online on average

lol, ya you are super awesome against the pvp community, lololol.

Ever been in a 60v60 EMUpvp match against a dragon? Thought not.

You ever get a Shawl of Protection for being the coolest motherfucker on the server? Thought not.

[Lazortag]

Giegue won't be shit on red99.



lol, ya you are super awesome against the pvp community, lololol

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6895/saltygg.png

gg.

Go ahead and spend your next 20 posts explaining how my kill on you was unfair in some way.

And seriously you guys seem mad. U mad?

[Jerin]

You guys want classic pvp ...minus the classic.

If/when red99 comes out, many of the vocal hardcore pvp types will last all of a few weeks at most.

Classic xp is gonna weed more of you out than you realize.
Especially the guys that strive for max lvl pvp, like it gets better at 50 vs 30 or 20.
Its essentially the gdamn same, you guys have been playing horrible facsimiles for too long.

Eq pvp was best when there was some risk/reward.
All these gimp pvp boxes that have come and gone have no risk/reward at all(ie K&B).

In short, they have ruined you to eq pvp, and that sucks cause the people that want it the most, will enjoy red99 the least.

Hell, we dont even know if Red99 will ever come to fruition and alot of you are already bitching.

Ridiculous

[Lazortag]

You guys want classic pvp ...minus the classic.

If/when red99 comes out, many of the vocal hardcore pvp types will last all of a few weeks at most.

Classic xp is gonna weed more of you out than you realize.
Especially the guys that strive for max lvl pvp, like it gets better at 50 vs 30 or 20.
Its essentially the gdamn same, you guys have been playing horrible facsimiles for too long.

Eq pvp was best when there was some risk/reward.
All these gimp pvp boxes that have come and gone have no risk/reward at all(ie K&B).

In short, they have ruined you to eq pvp, and that sucks cause the people that want it the most, will enjoy red99 the least.

Hell, we dont even know if Red99 will ever come to fruition and alot of you are already bitching.

Ridiculous

Oh my god this encapsulates my thoughts perfectly. This. So much this.

[Salty]

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6895/saltygg.png

gg.

Go ahead and spend your next 20 posts explaining how my kill on you was unfair in some way.

And seriously you guys seem mad. U mad?

You killed me once, good game bro.

I remember how hard you raged because you had me perma mezzed and didn't know I /q'd to escape pvp.

I remember how hard you raged because you told me to "come after you" and I ran to the NK bridge where you then said "omg salty found me hax."


You don't know shit, and haven't taken apart in anything big.

IF and I do mean IF red99 ever comes out, you'll know first hand how much dicks you suck to try and hang with the big dogs.


http://poopspant.com/shawl.PNG

[Salty]

You guys want classic pvp ...minus the classic.

If/when red99 comes out, many of the vocal hardcore pvp types will last all of a few weeks at most.

Classic xp is gonna weed more of you out than you realize.
Especially the guys that strive for max lvl pvp, like it gets better at 50 vs 30 or 20.
Its essentially the gdamn same, you guys have been playing horrible facsimiles for too long.

Eq pvp was best when there was some risk/reward.
All these gimp pvp boxes that have come and gone have no risk/reward at all(ie K&B).

In short, they have ruined you to eq pvp, and that sucks cause the people that want it the most, will enjoy red99 the least.

Hell, we dont even know if Red99 will ever come to fruition and alot of you are already bitching.

Ridiculous

You're dumb as fuck because a stable server makes it to where people are going to want to invest their time in the server.


PvP pals don't put up with the bullshit xp rates and 1box on servers that have ABSOLUTELY no stability.

With p99 source, the xp rate and boxing won't be a massive issue.


There has NEVER been a stable pvp Emu server available. The closest we had was Gronkus box (2.0) and that is an INSANELY FAR stretch to call that piece of shit stable.

[Slashurr]

I think rogean is smart enough to make red99 exp faster than p99. Isn't that kind of a no brainer?

[Billbike]

Why do people crop their SS? It's almost like they are hiding something.

[Knuckle]

You guys want classic pvp ...minus the classic.

If/when red99 comes out, many of the vocal hardcore pvp types will last all of a few weeks at most.

Classic xp is gonna weed more of you out than you realize.
Especially the guys that strive for max lvl pvp, like it gets better at 50 vs 30 or 20.
Its essentially the gdamn same, you guys have been playing horrible facsimiles for too long.

Eq pvp was best when there was some risk/reward.
All these gimp pvp boxes that have come and gone have no risk/reward at all(ie K&B).

In short, they have ruined you to eq pvp, and that sucks cause the people that want it the most, will enjoy red99 the least.

Hell, we dont even know if Red99 will ever come to fruition and alot of you are already bitching.

Ridiculous

it's true, a level 10 warrior is the same as a raid geared level 50 warrior with resist gear, they pvp essentially the same and both are loaded with pvp clickies and resist gear, i mean a level 10 warrior vs a level 10 necromancer is the same as a level 50 warrior vs a level 50 necromancer.

[Jerin]

Dude, p99 isn't just slow – it's fucking painful. Red69 is "slow." I'm tellin' you, people are forgetting how it really was.

If this is any indication of whats to come from the so called pvp community then Red99 may actually capture abit of the old magic.

Thats what im saying Knuckle, i dont see what all the fuss is about really.
pvp in your lvl range thats all you gotta do.What your actual lvl range is, is irrelevant.

[Salty]

The pvp community has delt with a lot more stupid bullshit than slow xp.


If you loot too fast the zone crashes.


The red pals will be alright, it's you blue crybabies who will be quitting after 2 days.

[Kope]

I think rogean is smart enough to make red99 exp faster than p99. Isn't that kind of a no brainer?

No, it's not. I don't want a fast xp server, why would you?

If you're so red why would you want an easy box?

[XiakenjaTZ]

You ever get a Shawl of Protection for being the coolest motherfucker on the server? Thought not.

I did. Never thought I would ever see that item but I had it on Harmony... all of 2 months before the server was wiped.

[Jerin]

I played TZ from inception to server merge.
I do not claim to be awesome at pvp, im not talking shit about my skills or any of that internet tommy tough guy talk that we see so much of.

I have been killed/griefed enough times not to care. I have fun messing around even if i die 10x more than i kill.

IF Red99 ever comes to light, i will be there for the long haul. I dont cheat/zoneplug or any of that stupid shit. Because i dont care. Im not the guy on K&B at lvl 50 killing lvl 20s with 1 spell , and then have the nerve to talk shit like they won a prize.(Notsolid)

You guys throw around the terms bluebie and red pals like they actually mean something. Us bluebies are gonna be the reason red99 succeeds in the first place.

And as far as cry babies, you hard core pvp people whine, bitch and moan more than a 90 year old women trying to get the temperature just so.

Name a previous pvp box you played on. Not only does the whining, bitching and moaning happen on the actual server, then the servers forums, then it jumps all the way over to P99 forums.

You guys cry to each other more than any other group of gamers.

If you dont believe me...spend a few minutes to revisit any number of threads in the PVP forums.
**Edit : Hell just look at this ridiculous thread..there is more bitching and moaning from the pvp community
than there ever has been by the blue community. You personally too.

The only bluebies that cry are the fags in the high end guilds and their drama. Which i personally have no tolerance for. I unfortunately have raided classic to HoT and there pathetic excuse for raid guilds hurts me abit.

Having said all that, ill be alright on Red99 regardless.

[XiakenjaTZ]

Come to think of it servers get shut down when I get a great loot. Previous version of the box ended when I had the head from Tormax. Version before that I got my Rile event sword (think mini bard epic) and then the server shut down.

I think I should play a class that does not get great loot for everyones benefit.

[nalkin]

Who do you consider red?

No one I know of has been playing the new boxes, so it must be some scrubs..

We're kind of burnt out from wipe after wipe after wipe...

/yawn

Let me guess you are great at pvp, I wonder where I have heard that before. Oh yah, from all the red players. You and your friends are the best though for sure. Do me a favor and let me know when you login cause I'll send goo your way. Ought to load up MQ though and go ahead and get that 10 level advantage and an OOR healer. Do it up nice ya know?

[Kope]

Us bluebies are gonna be the reason red99 succeeds in the first place.

Hit the nail on the head.

[Vile]

/yawn

Let me guess you are great at pvp, I wonder where I have heard that before. Oh yah, from all the red players. You and your friends are the best though for sure. Do me a favor and let me know when you login cause I'll send goo your way. Ought to load up MQ though and go ahead and get that 10 level advantage and an OOR healer. Do it up nice ya know?

Clean whistle here bro. One of the few people to also post videos of PvP as well on VZTZ. I was even highly criticized for my use of arrow keys (thanks to Fiegi I have changed my ways)... keep moving along.

I agree most people on VZTZ never posted videos probably due to having MQ up, but I have multiple mass PvP footage.. of some of the bigger box brawls... you can criticize the way I play, but I sure as hell don't hack.

As everyone else has stated, EQ PvP does not require much skill. It's all how you stack you play your class, stack your buff, pumice, and knowing when you can't win a fight.

I don't claim to be some bad ass PvPer either, but I know my class roles, and I know for a fact I do my job very well when it comes down to it.

You can now proceed to go fuck off my friend :)

[SolayceTZT]

/CitizenKaneClap

[juicedsixfo]

The thing that I believe Red99 will provide, something that other boxes cannot, is that the characters will feel like "mains" again.

[Kope]

The thing that I believe Red99 will provide, something that other boxes cannot, is that the characters will feel like "mains" again.

Just to clarify, you mean other red boxes right?

[juicedsixfo]

Just to clarify, you mean other red boxes right?

Correct. I think the idea of long term stability will initially keep players grinding along, therefore bringing back that feeling of crafting your character again. The EQemu PvP crowd has done this dance literally hundreds of times, but this will have what the others couldn't give.

[Prince]

just fyi the reason a lot of red players want faster xp is cuz slaying kobolds and frogs for hours on end, day after day isn't rly what makes the game fun for us

[Humerox]

I dont think you guys realize how many ppl from P99 are from PvP servers and are tired of fucking poopsock and would rather just fight it out.

This.

And I've always favored PvP anyway. Sanctus Lumen, SZ. More fun playing the biggest underdog team on the most brutal PvP server that ever existed, than logging in to the drama on live, and now P99.

Set up a forum for Red 99...create some interest and keep the dick-waving to a minimum with good moderation. I'd bet over time you'd see some serious interest. And it won't kill P99 either...a lot of players are already gone that would come back for a good PvP box...and who says you can't play both?

[Salty]

And as far as cry babies, you hard core pvp people whine, bitch and moan more than a 90 year old women trying to get the temperature just so.


We have high amusement trolling each other. People will tell you Wehrmacht is annoying as fuck, but he is more entertaining then 20 boring ass bluebie knights showing off their wares.

You just don't understand it yet.

[Kope]

just fyi the reason a lot of red players want faster xp is cuz slaying kobolds and frogs for hours on end, day after day isn't rly what makes the game fun for us

If killing mobs bores you, you're playing the wrong game. PvE is part of the game, always will be.

Just my own opinion but I PvP to PvE. If someone is camping what I want, I want the right to destroy them. If a raid is trying to be a jerk, I also want the right to kill destroy them.

EQ PvP has always been a mix of PvP and PvE, and it always will be. To take either part away just seems wrong to me.

[nalkin]

I don't claim to be some bad ass PvPer either, but I know my class roles, and I know for a fact I do my job very well when it comes down to it.

No one I know of has been playing the new boxes, so it must be some scrubs..


An anti PK guild on P99 will be destroyed very quickly, mark my words. If there is one, I'll play just to grief them. I can think of a handful of others that would do that same. The true bluebies won't last.

gg.

[valithteezee]

Pro Tip:

While you guys are waiting for RED 99 why not PROMOTE THE FUCKING SERVER so when it does come out, it's packed.

If you want a classic experience with full zones, groups, and pvp then get the word out.

Everquest gets over 1,500,000 searches a MONTH according to google adwords. Free MMO gets over 330,000 a month!!!

Throw up wordpress page, post on some forums, submit some articles "http://goarticles.com/" "http://www.articlealley.com/" advertising that there is a FREE player vs player classic everquest server.


If you guys want a classic experience then market rogeans server and get some people in here.

*Props to all the people who do market via youtube, etc.

[fiegi]

Why would I promote something that just may never come to fruition? That is what is called false advertisement and isn't very nice.

[valithteezee]

I consulted the I-ching today and it said red99 is GOING TO HAPPEN. So it's going to happen.

[Tiggles]

Why would I promote something that will never come to fruition? That is what is called false advertisement and isn't very nice.

[Salty]

Why would I promote something that just may never come to fruition? That is what is called false advertisement and isn't very nice.

[Tonomar]

Pro Tip:

While you guys are waiting for RED 99 why not PROMOTE THE FUCKING SERVER so when it does come out, it's packed.

If you want a classic experience with full zones, groups, and pvp then get the word out.

Everquest gets over 1,500,000 searches a MONTH according to google adwords. Free MMO gets over 330,000 a month!!!

Throw up wordpress page, post on some forums, submit some articles "http://goarticles.com/" "http://www.articlealley.com/" advertising that there is a FREE player vs player classic everquest server.


If you guys want a classic experience then market rogeans server and get some people in here.

*Props to all the people who do market via youtube, etc.

Play on Red99, we don't know when it's coming out or if it ever is... BUT IT WILL BE FUCKING SWEET, PLAY HERE.

Good idea, asshole.

[valithteezee]

Listen man, let me give you an example.

If you're sitting in your car and a homeless person knocks on your window) and BEGS for change, you have a few options to get this smelly homeless guy to go away(the pvp community)

1. You tell him to fuck off and get a job

OR

2. You give him some change

Rogean is in the process of giving us, the smelly homeless person, some change. If he doesn't want us around, why the hell would he make a forum?

You don't chase people off by making a forum, you attract them.

Have some faith.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERTT_sv8sV0

[Bardalicious]

PvE forces you to group.. XP is XP..

PVP doesn't work that way. When people fuck in a PUG or are known tards, they will be PK'd.

There will be griefers that don't give a fuck... it doesn't work the way it does on blue. I can't imagine a random group of people forming together to XP, especially with the type of people we deal with.

Even as recent as a box like Locked and Loaded were "random people" grouping together to xp. Slow xp will only enforce that sense of camaraderie because if you want to act like an incessant cunt at every turn, nobody will group with you any more thus no xp unless you can solo effectively (necro, mage, bard etc)

An anti PK guild on P99 will be destroyed very quickly, mark my words. If there is one, I'll play just to grief them. I can think of a handful of others that would do that same. The true bluebies won't last.

An anti PK guild is exactly the counter-balance any PVP server needs. Without the harsh reality of slow xp and some sort of hand of justice, people remain unchecked and the box turns into a shithole of trainers, corpse campers, griefers and general asshats. That's not PVP - anyone that argues for such behavior on a PVP box is a fucking EQEmu-pvp-era scrub.

You also haven't come up with a solution to my question.... if the server has been out for a weeks or even a few months, what does a total newbie do with no gear that doesn't play a solo class. The population would have to be 200+ minimum for this to work and I still don't see that new person with no groups to level with lasting long with horrible XP and immediate grief upon the appropriate level.

No solution needs to be presented because I don't agree that it will be a problem. Project 1999 doesn't have this issue. With a stable server that actually takes effort to level on, there will always be an influx of new players grouped with the casual players that just don't have the time to power game to 50 like the rest of us basement dwellers. Again, this requires a counter-balance to griefing as I previously stated, else yes, if the rules of R99 enable PVP at 7+ no level ranges and people get griefed immediately, they will probably quit. Fortunately there are people like myself that want to see the server succeed and will be helping those new players as well though.

I don't see the issue with 2 boxing, anyone can level this way and it it puts them at a disadvantage in PvP. The best PvPer is going to run around with full buffs anyway...

Enabling two boxing, for one, does not recreate a classic experience. Most people had shitty computers that were running on shitty dialup, thus it's pretty safe to assume 90%+ of the population was running one box. On top of this, enabling 2 boxing FORCES people to 2 box. It removes the need to interact with each other to level. Someone like yourself that claims he's going to go out of his way to grief an anti-PK guild off the server, would probably not understand the need for interaction among players.





The Project 1999 model worked for a reason. Don't try to fuck with it imo.

[Vile]

gg.

I don't see what you did there..