The Official "Bards Are Broken" Compiled Bug List

[xblade724]

Will update regularly as people submit bard bugs here and as devs update us on the matters

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Red = Bugged/No response to issue/unconfirmed
Orange = Acknowledged/Pending Fix
Green = Resolved/as intended
Total Bug(s) or pending fixes, but not yet= 1
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1. Single target DD with knockback has no knockback (Boastful Bellow @ lvl 12)
Update (Pending Fix?): Update 2 - Rumors are FALSE. This is NOT fixed last patch.
Wait for Kanras' edit to knockback effects to go live before saying for certain.
<3 thank you
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=56802
Lucy proof: http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.htm...04&setcookie=1

2. Selo's Speed buff does not remove root/snare as it should.
(Update - Not classic, but not going to change..)
PROOF:
PROOF:
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January 9, 2001 3:00 am
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It also allowed us to correct a long-standing bug that was
allowing bards to cancel root on themselves by playing Selo's
Accelerando if Selo's was in effect at the time that the bard was
rooted. "

There were COUNTLESS bugs (that many are now called "features") that were later added saying that this was meant to be fixed for a long time. Classic EQ had selos remove root!



this is intended
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=50983

3. Bards require LoS at start and end while casters don't need LoS at end
(Updated - Working As Intended - misinformation [Classic])


I just tested this, bard song LoS and caster LoS work exactly the same. At the end of spell casting there is a soft LoS check that will reduce the range on the song/spell being cast by up to 75% (not 50% like I said earlier, my bad) based on your casting skill with the spell.
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...highlight=bard

4. Bard faction song does not work (I've been rigorously testing this .. before I go to cb, I'll sing this song on a kelethin npc to see if faction changes, go to cb, come back and see if faction should have changed from the song) because I want my smithing expenses lowered. Any bit helps.
Update: Fixed!
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...t=faction+song
Lucy: http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.htm...08&source=Test

5. Elemental rhythms and purifying rhythms do not stack
Update: Working as intended (classic)
[QUOTE=Uthgaard;493641]To make an example of its reliability, I'll confirm this with the spdat.

Guardian Rhythms has AC in slot 1, Magic Resist in slot 2
Elemental Rhythms has Magic Resist in slot 1, Cold Resist in slot 2, Fire Resist in slot 3, AC in slot 4
Purifying Rhythms has Magic Resist in slot 1, Poison Resist in slot 2, Disease Resist in slot 3, AC in slot 4

Magic resist in slot 1 and AC in slot 4 would prevent Elemental and Purifying from stacking with each other, since the values and formulae are identical, they would overwrite each other if cast by the same bard, or bards of the same level.
Since Guardian Rhythms has AC in slot 1, and Magic resist in slot 2, it wouldn't conflict with either Elemental or Purifying Rhythms.

The spdat is a reliable source of information for those that know how to interpret its data.

6. Bard songs do not last through zones for the last few seconds, such as selos
Update: Working as intended/classic -- apparently this wasn't updated until Luclin(ish)
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=53489

7. Bard AE mez not lasting as long as intended (I haven't tested this)
(Is this just pixie strike or also the lvl 15 mez?)
(Update - Pending Fix?)


definitely an issue.
8. Bard songs end when on the boat instead of continuing until zone (Unconfirmed)
(Updated - Bug simply a rumor

If you are singing a song and then get on a boat, the song will continue playing.

9. "Crission's Pixie Strike is lasting for about one second and then instantly breaks, allowing the person it's casted on to move around freely (not sure if they can still cast). I tried casting it on myself and I confirmed that this is how it currently functions. This has been a bug for a while I believe. (No, the person it's casted on is not dotted)" --Lazortag
(Update: : Fixed!)
The level cap will need a source workaround, I'll get with Kanras or Null and see if it can get in for next patch. The early breaking is client related and will probably need Rogean to stick something into the DLL. Good idea on the new thread.


definitely an issue.
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57710

10. "The level cap for mesmerize (such as Pixie Strike) should only be 55 in PvE, not PvP (in PvP mezzes have no cap)" --Lazortag
(Update:: Fixed!)
The level cap will need a source workaround, I'll get with Kanras or Null and see if it can get in for next patch. The early breaking is client related and will probably need Rogean to stick something into the DLL. Good idea on the new thread.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57710

EDIT: What's up with the links truncating?

[Null]

2. this is intended

3. I just tested this, bard song LoS and caster LoS work exactly the same. At the end of spell casting there is a soft LoS check that will reduce the range on the song/spell being cast by up to 75% (not 50% like I said earlier, my bad) based on your casting skill with the spell.

7. definitely an issue. (its also the same as 9)

8. If you are singing a song and then get on a boat, the song will continue playing.

[xblade724]

Thanks for clarifications --

For the selos, I could have sworn it used to break roots. Where is the source for this? Even if it was a bug patched, it was still classic .. there are COUNTLESS bugs that were never changed with the argument that it was classic.

[Null]

Thanks for clarifications --

For the selos, I could have sworn it used to break roots. Where is the source for this? Even if it was a bug patched, it was still classic .. there are COUNTLESS bugs that were never changed with the argument that it was classic.

Confirmed intended not classic possibility.

[xblade724]

Confirmed intended not classic possibility.

So if there's a note that said "We meant to add this a long time ago" or "we intended to add this before kunark", you will add it to the game/change the mechanics if I can provide the patch notes? Changing selos based on what was supposed to be intended for classic and what actually WAS classic can change this game entirely based on what you say for this. Why is ice comet in game via the easy quest? What about mage sword procs? Aren't these more important to fix than a bard that can't do too much to begin with breaking a root :P

[Null]

No, I am saying its not classic and its intended to be that way.

[mourning]

Null is our hero.

[Null]

Null is our hero.

It's what I do.

[xblade724]

"------------------------------
January 9, 2001 3:00 am
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It also allowed us to correct a long-standing bug that was
allowing bards to cancel root on themselves by playing Selo's
Accelerando if Selo's was in effect at the time that the bard was
rooted. "

There were COUNTLESS bugs (that many are now called "features") that were later added saying that this was meant to be fixed for a long time. Classic EQ had selos remove root, and this is the raw proof!

[xblade724]

"
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January 26, 2005
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*** General Bug Fixes ***

The map window should now be available to all players.
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This was a bug, so please add it to the game as it was intended to be classic considering Selos was a bug and it was fixed outside of classic era

[Uthgaard]

"------------------------------
January 9, 2001 3:00 am
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It also allowed us to correct a long-standing bug that was
allowing bards to cancel root on themselves by playing Selo's
Accelerando if Selo's was in effect at the time that the bard was
rooted. "

There were COUNTLESS bugs (that many are now called "features") that were later added saying that this was meant to be fixed for a long time. Classic EQ had selos remove root, and this is the raw proof!

Everyone knows that was the case. It's just not going to be reproduced.

[15:18] Null: yea I know
[15:18] Null: Its intended to not be classic

[Null]

"
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January 26, 2005
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*** General Bug Fixes ***

The map window should now be available to all players.
"

This was a bug, so please add it to the game as it was intended to be classic considering Selos was a bug and it was fixed outside of classic era

No.

[xblade724]

Everyone knows that was the case. It's just not going to be reproduced.

[15:18] Null: yea I know
[15:18] Null: Its intended to not be classic

Why not? Why is ice comet quest remaining in game? Why is the mage sword proccing? What's with this pick and choose bs -- is it classic or is it not classic

And no for the maps? But it was a bug, so it should be fixed here, correct? Do you see my point now for ironically saying no for the maps? Of course we don't want the maps -- it's classic, but it was classified as a bug.

Selos was classified as a bug, but it was classic. Why selos and not the map?

[Uthgaard]

Discuss those in their own threads, unless you really want to derail the only worthwhile thread you've posted in the bug forum so far.

[xblade724]

Discuss those in their own threads, unless you really want to derail the only worthwhile thread you've posted in the bug forum so far.

Says you that trolls my posts for 3 pages until you finally say "oh yea, there is a bug after all." And very well, i'll make a new topic

[Uthgaard]

There certainly are bugs. Just not the most of the ones you're posting.

[Lazortag]

Why do people think the bard ae mez doesn't last long enough? If you spam it every 3 seconds on something that never resists, it will never break. Isn't it only supposed to last one tick?

[Truth]

have oft had breaks in between spams on low/no resist blues

[Albane]

Why do people think the bard ae mez doesn't last long enough? If you spam it every 3 seconds on something that never resists, it will never break. Isn't it only supposed to last one tick?

http://wiki.project1999.org/index.php/Kelin%27s_Lucid_Lullaby

Duration - 3 ticks


The AoE mes is powerful, but is very situational. Especially on a PvP server, where you can mez your group.


Another nerf to bards that I noticed last night. We cannot swarm kite, because of the code put in to reduce trains. I never played blue and haven't read anything about this being an issue. Because mobs will not switch agro to the nearest aggressive target, we cannot charm 1 mob and have the other 5 mobs switch to it. This is how I had planned on leveling from 38-50. I wouldn't call this a bug, but it is a VERY unfortunate side effect to the anti-training code.

[Dexter]

8. Bard songs end when on the boat instead of continuing until zone (Unconfirmed)
(Updated - Bug simply a rumor
Quote:
Originally Posted by Null View Post
If you are singing a song and then get on a boat, the song will continue playing.

I can confirm this is working as intended and is a rumor. On the boat I watched my song continue to play while riding on boat until I zoned. After zoning into the next zone I could not play the song as intended until I got off the boat.

[Lazortag]

http://wiki.project1999.org/index.php/Kelin%27s_Lucid_Lullaby

Duration - 3 ticks



The p99 wiki is maintained by players and isn't necessarily accurate. In this case it's plainly wrong. The pbae mez never lasted 3 ticks.

Proof from Everlore:
Submited by: Lantec On: 1/3/2000 11:57:46 PM Rank: worst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 best
I tried this song, but the duration is very short, I was able to see it on an CB orc pawn and after the pulse, the orc started attacking me again. Oh yeah, my charisma is 78. Stupid Grostuque Mask thingy.....

[Slave]

http://www.scenesc.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/in-the-year-2000.jpg

The song was bugged.

[Lazortag]

http://www.scenesc.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/in-the-year-2000.jpg

The song was bugged.

A bug that they didn't fix for a year and a half?

http://web.archive.org/web/20010522061704/http://eq.castersrealm.com/spells/spell.asp?Id=996

Max Duration: 6 seconds

[Uthgaard]

While it's pbaoe, it's 1 tick. End of story.

[xblade724]

While it's pbaoe, it's 1 tick. End of story.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010522061704/http://eq.castersrealm.com/spells/spell.asp?Id=996

He has solid proof right there ... AE 6 seconds ... why are you guys so hateful to bards? Some guy steal your camp or something on your game character? Show me the patch notes where it classifies this as a BUG and not a change. I bet you can't and you'll instead just troll a needless response to avoid the question. Prove us wrong, though. Duration and cooldowns are generally never bugs, just changes/nerfs

[Uthgaard]

It wasn't a disagreement. 1 tick is 6 seconds.

[xblade724]

eh i thought it was 3 seconds. Oops =p

[Slave]

eh i thought it was 3 seconds. Oops =p

It can sometimes be three seconds from when a DoT hits UNTIL a server tick. Or if you just landed a root, sometimes the server tick resist check would take it off within a second, because it hit barely before the server tick went off. They just keep coming every 6 seconds from the server.

[Lazortag]

Why do people think the bard ae mez doesn't last long enough? If you spam it every 3 seconds on something that never resists, it will never break. Isn't it only supposed to last one tick?

have oft had breaks in between spams on low/no resist blues

I just tried this again to confirm and had absolutely no breaks when spamming, which means you were doing it wrong, and there's nothing wrong with the spell as I suspected.

[Sat Dec 17 23:05:33 2011] Logging to 'eqlog.txt' is now *ON*.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:34 2011] A bat's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:34 2011] A decaying skeleton's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:34 2011] A bat's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:34 2011] Your song ends.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:38 2011] A bat's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:38 2011] A decaying skeleton's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:38 2011] A bat's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:38 2011] Your song ends.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:41 2011] A bat's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:41 2011] A decaying skeleton's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:41 2011] A bat's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:41 2011] Your song ends.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:45 2011] A bat's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:45 2011] A decaying skeleton's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:45 2011] A bat's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:45 2011] Your song ends.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:48 2011] A bat's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:48 2011] A decaying skeleton's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:48 2011] A bat's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:49 2011] Your song ends.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:52 2011] A bat's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:52 2011] A decaying skeleton's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:52 2011] A bat's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:53 2011] Your song ends.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:56 2011] A fire beetle's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:56 2011] A bat's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:56 2011] A decaying skeleton's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:56 2011] A bat's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:05:56 2011] Your song ends.
[Sat Dec 17 23:06:00 2011] A fire beetle's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:06:00 2011] A bat's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:06:00 2011] A decaying skeleton's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:06:00 2011] A bat's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:06:00 2011] Your song ends.
[Sat Dec 17 23:06:04 2011] A fire beetle's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:06:04 2011] A decaying skeleton's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:06:04 2011] A bat's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:06:04 2011] A decaying skeleton's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:06:04 2011] A bat's head nods.
[Sat Dec 17 23:06:05 2011] Your song ends.

[xblade724]

any update on boastful bellow? D:

[Ungriim]

- PBAE Mez got ninja nerfed in last patch. Im now getting a resist rate on greens of about 90%

- #6. Your link is broken. Also I'm 1000% positive that song lasted after zoning in classic. I used to time selos tics/zone into uguk with selos and make it almost to lguk zone line before it wore off. Used to be a game we played while bored. I quit the week luclin dropped, so I know it was in well before this.

- Re-charmed pet agro. This has been beaten to death =( When the fuck is this going to be fixed? We need it in Velious.

-Major issue with Selos/Selos song stack. Even when clicked off they have like a residual "check" and the 2nd song thinks the first one is going and then they dont land.

-Dont quite remember, but arent songs supposed to count towards buff max limit?

-Selos and run speed didnt used to stack. I remember if the mobs got too close at normal run speed I would click jboots to get ahead then having to time clicking off jboots right as selos was about to land while kiting.

[xblade724]

fyi, links are truncated on this forum it seems .. i don't know why.

[Slave]

any update on boastful bellow? D:

No, but here are several nerfs for your enjoyment. Signed, the last update.

[Lazortag]

No, but here are several nerfs for your enjoyment. Signed, the last update.

Our mez was fixed. Our mez was fixed. Our mez was fixed.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=497708&postcount=20

So tell me, what nerfs came with the last update, and how are they worse than having a non-functional level 28 mez?

[kanras]

Has anyone tried testing bellow? It's been working for me for over a month now. I'm using it to push another character around on my test server right now.

[kanras]

Also, bard faction song was fixed last patch: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=51764

[Albane]

Also, bard faction song was fixed last patch: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=51764

Thank you for all the work you have done to fix these issues. The single target mez working in PvP is huge, and I have noticed a visible knockback now on Bellows.

[Slave]

So tell me, what nerfs came with the last update, and how are they worse than having a non-functional level 28 mez?

- PBAE Mez got ninja nerfed in last patch. Im now getting a resist rate on greens of about 90%


We're so glad for you, being over level 28, that you now have a mez that works. The rest of us don't.

The issue with Bellow here was always that it is not significantly useful in interrupting casters, which it used to be in Classic PvP. The code on the push-interrupt was not updated and it is disingenuous to say that it is working properly.

[xblade724]

sweet, so almost all bugs are fixed now,

EXCEPT the 1 i've been personally waiting for....... boastful bellow, pls add a knockback and no more complaints ;)

[Lazortag]

We're so glad for you, being over level 28, that you now have a mez that works. The rest of us don't.

The issue with Bellow here was always that it is not significantly useful in interrupting casters, which it used to be in Classic PvP. The code on the push-interrupt was not updated and it is disingenuous to say that it is working properly.

The nerf for Kelin's Lucid Lullaby was CLASSIC. Stop complaining.

[xblade724]

Has anyone tried testing bellow? It's been working for me for over a month now. I'm using it to push another character around on my test server right now.

Confirmed that there's no pushback on players or npcs. Still does not work.

PS -- thank you for all the other fixes! ..and nerf, but it was classic, indeed. Once bellows is fixed, i'll be one happy bard :)

I used the faction song today and it definitely works like a "charm" /bard_joke_02

PS -- do prices not lower per faction++ from merchants?

[kprobe]

Psalm of Purity/Vitality need 1 cure poison/disease counter

Sources:

Everlore 2001/07- Psalm of Purity (http://web.archive.org/web/20010714082850/http://everlore.com/magic/Magic.asp?ID=4604&mode=details&spname=Psalm+of+Purity&type=)
Everlore 2001/07 - Psalm of Vitality (http://web.archive.org/web/20010714075926/http://everlore.com/magic/Magic.asp?ID=4597&mode=details&spname=Psalm+of+Vitality&type=)
Crys.org/everquest (http://crys.org/everquest/spells/bardsongs.asp?minrank=25&maxrank=49)

Uthgaard Removal (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=475623&postcount=26)
Uthgaard Admitting Broken (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=475692&postcount=41)