Rules clarification
 

taken from Rogaen on the raid play nice policy thread:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=14667

"Q: Can we camp raid mobs?
A: If you choose to lay a claim to an unspawned raid npc, your raid must be at the npc's spawn point with sufficient force. (within aggro range of the npc when it spawns, with at least a 15 member raid party). e.g. (inside Nagafen's Lair) This is the ONLY way claims of unspawned raid targets will be respected."

Two raid guilds are in Trakanon's lair within agro range. TMO frapsed and screenshotted their raid force getting to agro range of a Trakanon spawn in Trakanon's lair. Zeelot sent a tell to the BDA raid leader and said they have proof that their raid force was on the spawn point with 15 and that BDa should leave because the mob is theirs. If BDA is forced out with this rules lawyering, why would TMO not have to keep their raid force (or 15) within agro range? As soon as BDA left the zone, TMO backs off everyone from agro range.

What is the point of this rule? Guilds don't want to stand on Trakanon's spawn point for 9 hours. Why should TMO be able to walk up with 15 people and have the opposing raid force removed if they aren't willing to keep their raid force there? This is poor form rules lawyering.

BTW, Amelinda was contacted during this action on irc and refused to comment.

well to be more exact BDA had 40+ clearing juggs and we were camped at Jumpy, TMO walked 15 to Trak's spawn point and claimed him. Rules lawyering at it's finest.

Amelinda was busy, i don't think she declined to comment.

pretty dumb rule if you ask me, i doubt 15 of even the best geared people could kill trak

Bet if BDA had called 15 on spawn first and had fraps/SS's there wouldn't be this thread.

I bet if they did, you'd be one of the first to call them out on it.

if TMO had 40+ clearing juggs and were sitting at jumpy you can bet BDA wouldn't have attempted something that shady.

yeah, because it's totally happened every single time prior when it was used against TMO. Totally forgot that, thanks.

So you were socking outside the aggro radius with 40+ and got out socked on the reason you were socking (trakanon) and complain. Gotcha.

We don't want to play like that. It's ridiculous.

The bottom line is BDA had 40+ clearing juggs for numerous hours sitting at jumpy and TMO laid claim to Trak using first to 15 rules lawyering. It's shady, and it's bullshit. I personally called the raid off because tempers were flaring, and we weren't going to sit there and try to FTE trak and deal with the aftermath. BDA will not play that way.

I'm sorry TMO had to deal with IB pulling that type of shit but the cycle needs to stop for the health of the server.

jumpy is within the aggro radius, it's moot though. We left.