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Malrubius 05-04-2010 03:07 PM

Spam in /ooc and /auction
 
I posted this in the eternal global OOC debate/poll thread, but I thought it warranted a separate thread, since this isn't really about global OOC anymore.

The spammers in OOC and Auction have gotten way out of hand. IMO, it's by far the biggest problem facing Project 1999 right now.

I'd like to hear if there is a plan (or a plan for a plan) to fix the problem. Also, any ideas people have for HOW to fix it.

Here are some ideas that have been collected...
  • Character naming restrictions...
    -No letter appears over 2 times in a row.
    -No names over 12 (10?) letters in length.

  • Character creation restrictions...
    -Throttle the rate you can create new characters on an account. For example, once an hour max.

  • Nobody under level 5 can post on either OOC or Auction (although they can view these channels).

  • Throttling post speed...
    -Throttle the rate anybody can send text to OOC or Auction to something like...no more than 1 message every 5 seconds.
    -Severely throttle the rate that people under level 5 can post on OOC or Auction. For example, one post every 30 seconds.

  • Instantly ban the Account (and even the IP if feasible/effective) of any abusers.

  • "GM's give 10-15 active, higher level, respectable players the ability to IP ban spammers." To prevent abuse, perhaps give an even smaller handful of GM-trusted players the ability to recommend a ban to the GMs through private channels (IM,e-mail,whatever) which the GMs take extra-seriously on the rare occasions it is used for this purpose.

Edited list above based on responses so far.

km2783 05-04-2010 03:11 PM

I thought they already killed it with chat restrictions in those channels? ie so many posts per time period or something. I could be wrong. And names like Illvvwvvwyvyvvqgqgqgggqqgqnnmnmnmmnmnmn are just stupid and irritating as hell. These people aren't getting "their message" across they're just being annoying.

Personally, I'd like to see bodies disappear sooner at lvl 1-4 or so, so I dont have to try to move around or hide corpses to use the bank.

but it does give the game that certain classic (asshat) feel. :rolleyes:

President 05-04-2010 03:13 PM

I suggest the GM's give 10-15 active, higher level, respectable players the ability to IP ban spammers. It would be much easier to self enforce that way, than restricting chat/character creation, etc.

km2783 05-04-2010 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by President (Post 55839)
I suggest the GM's give 10-15 active, higher level, respectable players the ability to IP ban spammers. It would be much easier to self enforce that way, than restricting chat/character creation, etc.

I like this.

Deathrydar 05-04-2010 03:20 PM

The level restriction thing sounds like a great idea as well!

President 05-04-2010 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by President (Post 55839)
I suggest the GM's give 10-15 active, higher level, respectable players the ability to IP ban spammers. It would be much easier to self enforce that way, than restricting chat/character creation, etc.

And in addition to this, it doesn't necessarily mean these people have to watch the ooc channel like hawks. Post a sticky in the forums with who was given access to ban spammers, their names/alts/etc. If someone starts spamming - pop one of them a tell to take care of it.

girth 05-04-2010 03:27 PM

Throttling is a good idea, level restriction is not.

Quote:

Personally, I'd like to see bodies disappear sooner at lvl 1-4 or so, so I dont have to try to move around or hide corpses to use the bank.
Corpses under level 6 should be disappearing sooner. Do they not?

Nocte 05-04-2010 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by President (Post 55839)
I suggest the GM's give 10-15 active, higher level, respectable players the ability to IP ban spammers. It would be much easier to self enforce that way, than restricting chat/character creation, etc.

This opens the flood gates for using the ban hammer for personal vendettas and other abuse. Even if it's never abused, the perception will always be that it is, because that's how people are.

IP bans aren't really effective; even without getting a proxy, a new IP address is very easy to get through completely legitimate channels.

I like the idea of a level restriction. The spammers might not go away permanently, but when that account gets banned for spamming, they'll have to grind up to level X to crusade against whoever in ooc.

That said, since there's always a way around everything, someone could always save up a ton of DF belts and turn them in for quick levels. Hopefully, the collector of those belts might be found through server logs and that main account might be shut off as well. Of course, this assumes that the spammer maintains a legitimate character on the server... but then, if they don't - they can't get belts, can they?

Malrubius 05-04-2010 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by km2783 (Post 55838)
I thought they already killed it with chat restrictions in those channels? ie so many posts per time period or something. I could be wrong.

Nope - see below and notice the timestamps.

Quote:

And names like Illvvwvvwyvyvvqgqgqgggqqgqnnmnmnmmnmnmn are just stupid and irritating as hell. These people aren't getting "their message" across they're just being annoying.
Yeah, but that's their only goal is to be annoying.


Below is a sampler. Notice the timestamps. I cropped the latter part of the spam to keep ME from getting banned :rolleyes:.

Try typing /ignore Iyvvllvvllwllvv without the benefit of cut-and-paste, especially when it is scrolling by too fast to see anyway. And then a few minutes later, trying /ignore Wvvwqggqyvvwlyv. And so on.

Quote:

[Tue May 04 11:07:13 2010] Iyvvllvvllwllvv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY ...'
[Tue May 04 11:07:13 2010] Iyvvllvvllwllvv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY ...'
[Tue May 04 11:07:13 2010] Iyvvllvvllwllvv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY ...'
[Tue May 04 11:07:15 2010] Iyvvllvvllwllvv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY ...'
[Tue May 04 11:07:15 2010] Hits auctions, 'WTB Hooded Black Cloak. or trade Cloak of Shadows and PP for HBC --- WTS Plat Ring for Paw quest '
[Tue May 04 11:07:16 2010] Iyvvllvvllwllvv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY ...'
[Tue May 04 11:07:16 2010] Iyvvllvvllwllvv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY ...'
[Tue May 04 11:07:20 2010] Iyvvllvvllwllvv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY ...'
[Tue May 04 11:07:21 2010] Iyvvllvvllwllvv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY ...'
[Tue May 04 11:07:21 2010] Iyvvllvvllwllvv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY ...'
[Tue May 04 11:07:25 2010] Iyvvllvvllwllvv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY ...'
[Tue May 04 11:07:26 2010] Iyvvllvvllwllvv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY ...'
[Tue May 04 11:07:26 2010] Iyvvllvvllwllvv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY ...'
[Tue May 04 11:07:27 2010] Iyvvllvvllwllvv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY ...'
[Tue May 04 11:07:27 2010] Iyvvllvvllwllvv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY ...'
[Tue May 04 11:07:28 2010] Iyvvllvvllwllvv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY ...'
[Tue May 04 11:07:29 2010] Iyvvllvvllwllvv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY ...'
[Tue May 04 11:07:30 2010] Iyvvllvvllwllvv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY ...'

. . .

[Tue May 04 11:18:34 2010] Wvvwqggqyvvwlyv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY RUBS HER ...'
[Tue May 04 11:18:35 2010] Wvvwqggqyvvwlyv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY RUBS HER ...'
[Tue May 04 11:18:35 2010] Wvvwqggqyvvwlyv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY RUBS HER ...'
[Tue May 04 11:18:36 2010] You slash lizard man broodling for 9 points of damage.
[Tue May 04 11:18:37 2010] Lizard man broodling crushes YOU for 1 point of damage.
[Tue May 04 11:18:39 2010] Toki auctions, 'Wtb decent monk 2hb'
[Tue May 04 11:18:40 2010] You slash lizard man broodling for 7 points of damage.
[Tue May 04 11:18:41 2010] Wvvwqggqyvvwlyv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY RUBS HER ...'
[Tue May 04 11:18:41 2010] Wvvwqggqyvvwlyv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY RUBS HER ...'
[Tue May 04 11:18:42 2010] Wvvwqggqyvvwlyv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY RUBS HER ...'
[Tue May 04 11:18:44 2010] You have become better at 2H Slashing! (17)
[Tue May 04 11:18:44 2010] You try to slash lizard man broodling, but miss!
[Tue May 04 11:18:45 2010] Tyrannosaurus auctions, 'WTB Large Bronze Girdle'
[Tue May 04 11:18:46 2010] Your target is too far away, get closer!
[Tue May 04 11:18:49 2010] Wvvwqggqyvvwlyv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY RUBS HER ...'
[Tue May 04 11:18:49 2010] You slash lizard man broodling for 16 points of damage.
[Tue May 04 11:18:49 2010] You have slain lizard man broodling!
[Tue May 04 11:18:49 2010] You gain experience!!
[Tue May 04 11:18:49 2010] Your faction standing with AllizeVolew could not possibly get any worse!
[Tue May 04 11:18:49 2010] Wvvwqggqyvvwlyv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY RUBS HER ...'
[Tue May 04 11:18:49 2010] Wvvwqggqyvvwlyv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY RUBS HER ...'
[Tue May 04 11:18:51 2010] You may not loot this corpse at this time.
[Tue May 04 11:18:55 2010] Wvvwqggqyvvwlyv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY RUBS HER ...'
[Tue May 04 11:18:55 2010] Wvvwqggqyvvwlyv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY RUBS HER ...'
[Tue May 04 11:18:56 2010] Wvvwqggqyvvwlyv auctions, 'WRINKLED OLD LADY RUBS HER ...'
Do we really need a judge and jury to ban this "person's" Account?

Spud 05-04-2010 03:35 PM

why not just rate limit anyone under level 5 for the time being? Something like 1 message every 30 seconds.

it wont affect any noobs trying to ask questions in /ooc and will take care of Iyvvllvvllwllvv and Wvvwqggqyvvwlyv.

More sophisticated solutions can come later, but this would be pretty easy to implement id imagine.


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