Necro question
 

Sorry for the "nub" factor here but regarding lich, arch lich, and demi lich ... which values are correct?

Lich: 22 health for 20 mana vs 32 health for 20 mana
Arch Lich: 20 health for 20 mana or 31 health for 20 mana
Demi Lich: consistently reports 48 health for 31 mana

The page: http://wiki.project1999.com/Necromancer

Is not consistent

Well nm ... at 56 with natureskin (4hp/tick) sitting in lich form I'm losing 2 per tick - which means that at least for the 49 spell it really is 22 health for 20 mana.

If Lich is -22 for +20 mana and arch lich is 20hp for 20 mana - arch lich (should it really cost 48 health for 31 mana seems like a bad ratio comparatively.

Do the hp/mana ratios on these spells change or?

arch lich sucks butt and will continue to do so past the scope of p99's timeline
consider it the "al'kabor" necro spell
just use demi lich

but is arch lich 20hp:20mana (1:1 ratio)?

lich does indeed seem to be 22hp:20mana (1:1.1 ratio)

If arch is 20hp:20mana (1:1 ratio) and demi is 48:31 (1:54 ratio) .... seems that arch lich may have its uses as demi is literally 54% less efficient.

If arch lich is 31:20 (1.55), demi lich is 48:31 (1.54 ratio) and lich is 22:20 (1:1.1 ratio) ... does not compute. That would make 49 lich a better tradeoff than 60 arch lich or demi lich. With these values, compared to level 49 lich ... demi lich gives you 11 more mana for 28 more hp drain. The extra 28hp drain would yield only 22hp more hp/tick (2:1 ratio) using the most efficient tap, and assumes you will cap out said tap by being sufficiently low on health to reap all benefits. That still putting you behind 6hp/tick compared to level 49 lich. Granted, that tap translates to damage to whatever you are fighting - but it's still less efficient.

Which of the wiki values are accurate?

It would seem that lich is actually 22:20

Is arch lich 20:20 or 31:20?
Is demi lich 48:31 or some other value?

I'm not 60 yet so I accurately measure either spell.

I think the point of the higher level Lich series of spells is not necessarily efficiency as much as it is speed/quantity. Gaining 11 extra mana per tick adds up fast even if you are losing more life. Couple that with the life tap ability to self heal on mobs....doesn't really matter how much life you lose as long as you are gaining mana faster.

This is correct. I have arch lich and demi lich and I still use demi in 95% of situations despite it being less "efficient" just because gaining an extra 11mana per tick allows you to do more nuking/healing/twitching in groups or less downtime when soloing.

Is arch lich 20:20 though?

The important thing about Arch Lich is Fashion Questing into a Spectre

Indeed - but is it an upgrade over lv 49 lich in any way? Demi Lich clearly is in that it actually generates more mana. It's less efficient but that mana needed to heal back lost health also generates damage output.

Arch lich
20:20?
31:20?