Originally Posted by Systolic
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[14:55] <Systolic> Hey
[14:55] <Ephi> hey
[14:55] <Systolic> Do you know the account connected with ****?
[14:55] <Systolic> I can give you the character name that holds all the pp
[14:55] <Systolic> I can also tell you **** main RMT toon
[14:56] <Systolic> (aka ****)
[14:56] <Ephi> This site hasnt been on my radar (yet anyway). Who holds the platinum?
[14:56] <Systolic> I know more RMTers than that
[14:56] <Systolic> I tell you what
[14:56] <Systolic> I can give you a hard link to at LEAST 5 RMT operations
[14:57] <Systolic> But I want my account back
[14:57] <Systolic> And if my word dosnt hold true you ca ban it again
[14:57] <Ephi> LOL. I'm not playing that game man. If you want to help to better the community, then do it. Otherwise, you're wasting my time with this blackmail bullshit.
[14:57] <Systolic> I have nothing left on this server anyway
[14:57] <Systolic> No one even knows Cthulu's characters
[14:57] <Ephi> Then you have nothing left to lose, so why ask for your account back in the first place?
[14:58] <Systolic> Because the stuff I lost was actually entitled to a friend of mine
[14:58] <Systolic> He gave me access to his stuff and I ended up buying an account that was going to be banned
[14:58] <Systolic> So I basically lost all of his stuff
[14:58] <Systolic> Its fine
[14:58] <Systolic> whatever
[14:59] <Systolic> Check the trade logs on zipzop
[14:59] <Ephi> Well, that sucks
[14:59] <Ephi> honestly (not being a dick)
[14:59] <Ephi> I can't give you your account back though.
[14:59] <Systolic> why not?
[15:01] <Ephi> Because if I do it for you then there are about 100 other people who will want the same, and 50 others who will bend the rule or call foul play by the GMs. So we just don't do it anymore. Hence why we also come out now and publicly state we don't support account trades. It got too messy.
[15:01] <Systolic> I wont say a word
[15:01] <Systolic> And if I do then re-ban me
[15:01] <Ephi> Yeah, sorry… not going to happen man.
[15:01] <Systolic> Well thats really not a fair way of looking at it
[15:02] <Ephi> Oh trust me, I know it isn't fair at all.
[15:02] <Systolic> Especially since I just gave you every single RMTer on this server on a silver platter
[15:02] <Systolic> including the mods
[15:02] <Ephi> "Every single"
[15:02] <Systolic> Yes
[15:02] <Ephi> except there hasnt been one name, and zero proof
[15:02] <Systolic> Go through the zipzop trade logs
[15:02] <Systolic> Every single platinum exhange was RMT
[15:02] <Systolic> To and from
[15:03] <Systolic> Thats why I didnt mind using the nodelaythrow on that acocunt/character
[15:03] <Systolic> I had used that account for RMT and for practicing the MQ2
[15:03] <Ephi> I mean, it looks like a lot of these are RMT-related just by the appearance. But I need more than trade logs honestly. I need emails or paypal transactions that coincide. IM records.
[15:04] <Systolic> What? Are you serious?
[15:04] <Systolic> Theres nothing linking me to MQ2 with the chtulu account
[15:04] <Systolic> But I was banned for it
[15:04] <Systolic> I just gave you everything you need
[15:05] <Ephi> i'm going to dig into this trade stuff
[14:58] <Systolic> Its fine
[14:58] <Systolic> whatever
[14:59] <Systolic> Check the trade logs on zipzop
[14:59] <Ephi> Well, that sucks
[14:59] <Ephi> honestly (not being a dick)
[14:59] <Ephi> I can't give you your account back though.
[14:59] <Systolic> why not?
[15:01] <Ephi> Because if I do it for you then there are about 100 other people who will want the same, and 50 others who will bend the rule or call foul play by the GMs. So we just don't do it anymore. Hence why we also come out now and publicly state we don't support account trades. It got too messy.
[15:01] <Systolic> I wont say a word
[15:01] <Systolic> And if I do then re-ban me
[15:01] <Ephi> Yeah, sorry… not going to happen man.
[15:01] <Systolic> Well thats really not a fair way of looking at it
[15:02] <Ephi> Oh trust me, I know it isn't fair at all.
[15:02] <Systolic> Especially since I just gave you every single RMTer on this server on a silver platter
[15:02] <Systolic> including the mods
[15:02] <Ephi> "Every single"
[15:02] <Systolic> Yes
[15:02] <Ephi> except there hasnt been one name, and zero proof
[15:02] <Systolic> Go through the zipzop trade logs
[15:02] <Systolic> Every single platinum exhange was RMT
[15:02] <Systolic> To and from
[15:03] <Systolic> Thats why I didnt mind using the nodelaythrow on that acocunt/character
[15:03] <Systolic> I had used that account for RMT and for practicing the MQ2
[15:03] <Ephi> I mean, it looks like a lot of these are RMT-related just by the appearance. But I need more than trade logs honestly. I need emails or paypal transactions that coincide. IM records.
[15:04] <Systolic> What? Are you serious?
[15:04] <Systolic> Theres nothing linking me to MQ2 with the chtulu account
[15:04] <Systolic> But I was banned for it
[15:04] <Systolic> I just gave you everything you need
[15:05] <Ephi> i'm going to dig into this trade stuff
[15:05] <Ephi> will take some time though
[15:05] <Systolic> ****is ****
[15:05] <Systolic> *****is *****
[15:05] <Systolic> If you give me names of trades I can tell you every single one that they are linked to
[15:05] <Systolic> ALL of them
[15:05] <Systolic> Ive bought from **** but I cant remember the name
[15:06] <Systolic> I know that he camps under a tent by shady swashbuckler
[15:06] <Systolic> Ive traded with ALL of these people
[15:06] <Systolic> I know lots of them through conversationA
[15:06] <Systolic> And I also know that *****is involved in one of them
[15:06] <Systolic> And TMO is using ****to cover up their RMT trade
[15:06] <Ephi> Which one is ***** involved with? And how?
[15:07] <Ephi> actually, dont even tell me which one
[15:07] <Ephi> just how he would be involved
[15:07] <Systolic> He either oversees it or he is doing things to prevent them from being caught
[15:07] <Systolic> I cant tell from my end
[15:07] <Systolic> From what I know
[15:07] <Systolic> But its DEFINITELY one of the two
[15:08] <Systolic> Its been confirmed by so many people its ridiculous
[15:08] <Ephi> That's not very specific though. What kind of information do you have to even point the finger?
[15:08] <Systolic> Im honestly shocked and amazed that he hasnt been caught yet
[15:08] <Systolic> The RMT community is very small
[15:08] <Systolic> And everyone knows each other
[15:09] <Systolic> Platlord is either duping himself or having a GM dupe for him
[15:09] <Systolic> And thats where **** is involved
[15:09] <Systolic> Why do you think PL keeps popping back up?
[15:09] <Ephi> I'm certain theres a dupe involved with platlords things. But I can't narrow it down yet.
[15:09] <Systolic> I HAVE his spreadhseets
[15:10] <Systolic> *****is 100% involved
[15:10] <Ephi> ******doesnt have the power to dupe accounts. actually, no one does
[15:10] <Systolic> Hes not duping accounts
[15:10] <Systolic> thats not how I works
[15:10] <Systolic> *I* know how they are doing it
[15:10] <Ephi> This would be information I'd be interested in
[15:10] <Systolic> They are DDosing the server to force rollbacks
[15:11] <Systolic> After those Fungi staves were sold off of Platlords last set of accounts
[15:11] <Ephi> It's not a rollback though
[15:11] <Systolic> The server was DDoSed and somehow the staves ended up back in his inventory
[15:11] <Ephi> new accounts are created with items and money on them
[15:11] <Ephi> without any trade record
[15:11] <Ephi> i dont doubt theres probably some rollback exploit, possibly related to a ddos, but i dont think thats the main method
[15:12] <Systolic> How many pre nerf staves do you think exist?
[15:12] <Ephi> legitimately? far less than platlord had the first time i wiped him out
[15:12] <Systolic> non legit
[15:12] <Systolic> legit there are like 8
[15:12] <Ephi> tough call. dozens at least
[15:12] <Systolic> Yes
[15:13] <Systolic> I'm telling you
[15:13] <Systolic> The problem is that I cant definitely link anything
[15:13] <Systolic> ****is selling exploits ot GMs
[15:13] <Ephi> Yeah, well, welcome to my world
[15:13] <Systolic> Even rogean said so on that interview
[15:13] <Systolic> I know *****by first andlats name
[15:14] <Systolic> ******
[15:14] <Ephi> Well, we've reached the point of the critical problem
[15:14] <Ephi> without any hard proof, its difficult to take any action
[15:14] <Systolic> But theres all the proof you need in my recent actions
[15:14] <Systolic> Ive given you guys everything
[15:15] <Systolic> TMO paid abyss to write a deathtouch dll using RMT funds
[15:15] <Systolic> That nodelaythrow was designed FOR TMO
[15:15] <Ephi> Everything being some trade history of your characters, maybe or maybe not RMT related (i see some legit trades on there as well)
[15:15] <Systolic> No
[15:15] <Systolic> Trace that dll
[15:15] <Systolic> Find every single person who has used it
[15:15] <Systolic> There are about 6 people in total
[15:15] <Systolic> 2 being *****toons
[15:15] <Systolic> 1 being me
[15:16] <Systolic> And the others being members of TMO
[15:16] <Systolic> Its not until recently that he made that dll public on kenetix
[15:16] <Systolic> Its been around for over a year
[15:16] <Systolic> You have EVERYTHING YOU NEED
[15:16] <Systolic> I will fuckign send you the dll to reverse engineer
[15:16] <Ephi> That would be good, yes
[15:16] <Systolic> I will send you the superhp dlls
[15:17] <Systolic> But Ephi promise me on your word
[15:17] <Systolic> And I am going to copy an dpaste this
[15:17] <Systolic> That you will get rid of EVERYONE involved no matter who you find
[15:17] <Ephi> I get rid of people I can prove are guilty through our policies. If I can't prove it, they stay. Also, I'm just one person, and things take time.
[15:17] <Systolic> See thats not acceptable
[15:17] <Systolic> If people are running that dll they are guilty
[15:18] <Systolic> And that attitude is going to let people slip through the cracks
[15:18] <Ephi> If I can prove they are running it then they are guilty
[15:18] <Ephi> LOL well then let just ban everyone on the server that someone says is guilty
[15:18] <Ephi> i better start typing
[15:18] <Systolic> No
[15:18] <Systolic> Thats not what I mean
[15:18] <Systolic> I'm not trying to be facetious
[15:18] <Systolic> I just KNOW FOR A FACT that shit like that has been covered up in the past already
[15:19] <Ephi> Look, I'm not promising shit. What I can promise you is that if you send me the DLL, it will go directly to Rogean, who will likely inspect it himself. If we can start flagging people using the DLL (can't promise they're being flagged yet) then we can start banning them.
[15:19] <Systolic> He told me that it isnt retroactive
[15:19] <Systolic> And I dont trust him
[15:20] <Ephi> Well he gives me the power I have, so if you dont trust him, then theres no way you can trust me by proxy
[15:20] <Systolic> He made a mockery out of me in front of everyone
[15:20] <Systolic> When I was trying to legitimately help
[15:20] <Systolic> Yeah I know my methods were stupid
[15:20] <Ephi> Well you haven't exactly been presenting a good front. You're playing games with the staff. We don't respond nicely to that.
[15:20] <Systolic> But I had to go to an extreme to get the attention
[15:20] <Systolic> What am I supposed to do when GMs tell me they turn a blind eye to the very stuff that Im trying to stop?
[15:21] <Ephi> Well congrats, you have it now. So present your case and let the chips fall where they may. Do it publicly, do it to nilbog, do it to me, whatever you want. But stop withholding things.
[15:21] <Systolic> One second
[15:21] <Systolic> Im getting the MQ2 compile
[15:22] <Systolic> Its a whole folder
[15:22] <Systolic> Can I send it on aim or something?
[15:22] <Ephi> np
[15:22] <Ephi> email it to *****?
[15:22] <Systolic> ok
[15:24] <Systolic> Emailed
[15:24] <Systolic> I have to go for now
[15:24] <Systolic> But I want to talk to you more later
[15:24] <Ephi> if im here, feel free to ping me. otherwise send me a PM on the forums
[15:24] <Ephi> thanks for sending this
[15:24] <Systolic> o
[15:24] <Systolic> np
Session Close: Mon Jul 15 21:43:38 2013
Session Start: Mon Jul 15 21:43:38 2013
Session Ident: Ephi
Session Close: Mon Jul 15 23:53:23 2013
Session Start: Mon Jul 15 23:53:23 2013
Session Ident: Ephi
Session Time: Tue Jul 16 00:00:00 2013
[13:39] <Ephi> Whats up
[13:39] <Systolic> So I see that *****is still RMTing
[13:39] <Systolic> And I see that ***** is still selling pp
[13:39] <Systolic> What gives?
[13:39] <Ephi> ROFL
[13:40] <Ephi> you are a douchebag man. Seriously, do you think I just sit around all day waiting for someone to give me some info so I can ban players?
[13:40] <Systolic> Isnt that your job?
[13:40] <Ephi> I'm working on it. So fucking relax.
[13:40] <Systolic> Everyone wanted info
[13:40] <Systolic> Everyone wanted proof
[13:40] <Systolic> I gave it
[13:40] <Ephi> No, I have a full time (60+ hours a week) job. This is a volunteer role.
[13:40] <Systolic> Nothing has happened
[13:40] <Systolic> Also
[13:41] <Systolic> Do you have access to what people buy from vendor NPCs?
[13:41] -> [ephi] PING
[13:41] <Ephi> I think we're done. If you want to try having a serious conversation without throwing me under the bus for not quite working as fast as you'd like, then we can do that. Until then, I have real life work to do.
[13:42] <Systolic> Give it to me then, I'll do all the work
[13:42] <Systolic> Also
[13:42] <Systolic> If you want to find out who all has done the nodelaythrow exploit
[13:42] <Systolic> Check the vendor NPC logs of the NPCs who sell throwing daggers in non-city zones
[13:43] <Systolic> EC
[13:43] <Systolic> Oasis
[13:43] <Systolic> Lavastorm
[13:43] <Systolic> Thats where you will catch the most people because you will find people who have bough over 1000 daggers
[13:43] <Systolic> And usually 1000 daggers lasts for about 10 mobs
[13:43] <Systolic> throwing knives*
Session Time: Wed Jul 17 00:00:00 2013
Session Close: Wed Jul 17 11:34:56 2013
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