Game Mechanics: Natasha Whitewater - Several things

[Daldaen]

Okay so I was thinking about this more and decided to investigate. I found a few things that are conclusive, a few things that make sense and a few things that are vague.

1. Natasha should now despawn after receiving a Damaged Crown in Lake Rathetear.
   
   My post here was correct. She should remain after crown turn in... atleast for the first 1-2months of Epics :P. However this was changed around October/November 2000 timeframe. So.... this should be changed back now. P99 had its 1-2 months of this functionality and it should now be removed (I didn't anticipate it to work like that, but I guess that works out).
   
   
2. Natasha should despawn after receiving a Gimblox ring in Timorous Deep.
   
   There are 2 posts who disagree with this, but there are 6~ suggesting Gimblox ring should despawn Natasha.
   
   
3. Natasha however SHOULD stay around after receiving a Message to Natasaha in Timorous Deep. (Works like this on P99)
   
   I only mention this because it is similar to the Gimblox ring situation, and due to item below (#4) I think it is feasible that one turnin is an instant despawn and the other is not.
   
   
4. *Craziness* Natasha *Maybe* should function like Sirran, and only the version spawned from Bloodied Plasmatic Robe should accept Gimblox ring, and likewise only the version spawned from Sceptre + Scroll should accept Message.
   
   IE there are two different versions in Timorous Deep and the specific ones accept specific things.
   
   
5. Zordakalicus Ragefire should flee when low on health (10%) and not enrage.
   
   
6. ***VELIOUS CHANGE*** Naxot Deepwater should despawn upon accepting Ornate Sea Shell (II) - which in turn spawns Ixiblat. You shouldn't be able to spawn multiple Ixiblats off a single Naxot

#2 and definitely #4 are up for debate. Feel free to discuss amongst yourselves.

Evidence from EQCleric forums from September 2000 -> March 2001 are below. I think I got everything relevant, if not quote it up.

EQClerics September 2000

Natasha does not despawn when you turn in the ring. An NPC further down the quest does though.

Zakaar
Luclin

ack, I mean crown, not ring....

Zakaar - where is the damn edit post button
Luclin

No, she does NOT depop. She hangs out for a while and any number of people can turn in their damaged crowns. That is how we did it on Tarew Marr, though we weren't as organized as you all where we had every cleric on the server there.

Later in the quest you have to turn in a ring to Natasha, and for this part she DOES depop which leads me to believe that this was intentional by Verant to allow the clerics to all work together on the rare spawn rather than forcing each of us to camp him individually. I believe that the oil of Fennin Ro that you get when you turn in Berg's crown is a side reward to the person who got the crown and not used in the quest.

Aye - we did a multiple broken crown turn in on Xegony last night. We turned in 5 consecutive crowns with no problems. Lets just hope that potion dosen't come up again in the quest. It is NOT no drop, so it is likely that it isn't used.

For once, verdant has the clerics of xegony working together. Well done.

Ninda

EQClerics September 2000

Natasha will despawn after ONE person gives her ring in Timirous Deep. So don't try to skip ahead.

EQClerics October 2000

Also, Natasha now despawns after you hand in Lord Gimblox's ring.

EQClerics October 2000

Turn in the crown and she poofs.

She apparently despawns when you hand her the crown. I tried handing in the shell to another NPC later on in the quest when she was mezzed. She would not accept the quest item until she became unmezzed.

Ninda

The bard then charmed her and while she was charmed I gave her the damaged crown and recieved the shell. She poofed instantly after giving me the shell while charmed.

EQClerics October 2000

Also, earlier Natasha didn't despawn when given the damaged crown, so several clerics could get to the next step with only one crown from Bergurgle. Now Natasha despawns, so everyone has to kill Bergurgle (or have someone else do it).

EQClerics October 2000

Remember when people at the beginning of the quest would wait for 1 person to get Bergurgle's crown, then gather and spawn Natasha so that a bunch of clerics can hand a broken crown to her for the Shell?

Well, there's another point which you can do that.

When someone turns in the singed note and staff to Omat, Natasha spawns. You're supposed to give her the "note to Natasha" for the pearl to give Ragefire. Well, she doesn't despawn when you hand her the note, meaning multiple clerics can do that part of the quest simultaneously.

In case you are wondering why this is of signifigance, since you still have to do the staff/singed note of the quest anyways in order to get the second orb, the reason is this: It allows you to do the Ragefire part of the quest before the Chardok King. You are no longer dependent on getting people to go to chardok in order to advance your quest, you can now do that part last.

It doesn't take away or cheat the quest, imo, since you have to do the King before you get the weapon irregardless of what order you do it in.

EQClerics December 2000

Those arguing she despawns after Ring turnin:

Unfortunately as far as i know you have to start over. Natasha DESPAWNS when you give her the ring so you cant piggyback to that step when another cleric gets to that part

Unfortunately it sounds like you must restart. When I turned in my first ring she despawned. As it so happens I'm back at that step now so if she doesn't despawn after this ring I'll be sure to let you know.

Welp, I'm 2 for 2 on depop after ring hand in. Sorry

Did the ring turn in last Thursday (Jan. 4th), Natasha despawned immediately.

Vis

Those arguing she stays after Ring turnin:

I seem to recall that Natasha did NOT despawn after the ring for a good 5 to 10 minutes.

Why not just find out when a cleric is going to turn in their stuff and go with them and wait and see if Natasha despawns.

Certainly can't hurt.

Natasha did NOT despawn after I turned in the ring for a few minutes until I gated. I have no idea how long she stayed up. Seems to be random reading other people's posts.

EQClerics January 2001

Natasha despawns after each piece is handed in to prevent people from piggy backing.

It would probably be best to destroy all the items and restart again with fresh stuff.

not sure if it was a bug or not, but Natasha stayed up when I got my pearl. Not saying there is a loophole or anything. Just in that final step she stayed up. In fact a cleric after me spawned her and we had 2 Natashas up at once.

You do not have to have to kill Ixiblat again as long as you know someone that has...and has not turned in the staff/note yet. I know this for a fact because I did it...a friend got the note before I did so I went with him when he turned in. He handed the staff/note to Omat and Natasha popped. After he handed the other note to Natasha and got his pearl she did not despawn. I then handed her my note and received my pearl. if you already have the orb that is received from giving omat the sceptre/note I strongly reccommend that you do it this way if you can....saves you the trouble of ixiblat and overking bathezid. Again I did this myself so I know that it is true and not a rumor. Good Luck.

EQClerics January 2001

Just did it about an hour ago, using Draacco's method. Had a necro open a trade window with the scroll, then I opened another window with the sceptre. He clicked give, then I did, got the orb, and Natasha spawned.

Interesting side note, if Walterscott is till having that problem, Natasha did NOT despawn after I gave her the message (for the pearl).

EQClerics February 2001

Natasha despawns after giving the damaged crown from the Spirit. So, if you don't have Berg's crown, you'll have to go camp him again, to get Natasha to spawn again.

No, if you forgot to get the seashell then you're SOL. Sorry but it's back to the Berg for you =(

- Aenae Webspinner

EQClerics March 2001

Greetings!

Do not turn in Natasha's note to the one spawned off Gimblox. They are not the same NPC. She is a sequenced NPC just like Sirran in Plane of Sky.

None of this really matters, because it has been reported in the past that after somebody turns in the note to her she despawns... so yes if you already had the orbs from Omat and then somebody turned in a scepter and note and She spawned, you could turn in your note to Natasha and get your pearl. However, she would despawn and the person who had actually spawned her would be SOL and I imagine you would be the subject of a rather angry conversation with a GM

If you allow them to turn in their note to natasha first and for some reason she didn't despawn I think it would probably work... but from previous posts it has been reported that she does de-spawn.

-Eachann

The first Natasha in Lake Rathe despawns upon receiving the crown, due to a widely-used shortcut, but I do know for a fact that as of last week, she stays up in timorous when given the note for the pearl. Now, whether or not it would work for whoever is crazy enough to risk all their progress for little reward, remains to be seen ; )

I might have the answer to you.

When Natasha is spawned at Lake Rathetear, she despawns when given the damaged Crown.

HOWEVER, when you turn in the Scepter + Overking letter to Omat Vastsea, to spawn Natasha, she does NOT despawn when you give her the Letter to Natasha.. another Cleric can give her the Letter and receive the Pearl (for Zordak)

I had this happen when my sis and I did the same part at the same time.. I gave my Omat part first.. gave Natasha.. and she stayed there. my sis was worried giving Omat might in turn despawn Natasha since she was already there... I told her to give Natasha first.. then Omat.
She got her Pearl from my Natasha.. then gave Omat the Scepter + Overking note heheh (reverse Quest :P)

So go ahead, as long as Omat spawns Natasha for the Letter to Natasha, multiple Clerics can give her the Letter from Naxot, no problems there

[Daldaen]

More:

Allakhazam - Natasha NPC

July 2002

I too, am in the same position as you are, Yoddy. I've spent a total of at least three hours just sitting there hoping she'll spawn for pretty much no reason and had no luck yet.

I was lucky to be passing through Lake Rathe while some other group was killing Shmendrick and the Spirit of Flame and tried to give her the signet ring while she was up in L Rathe: no dice there either.

In hopes that Natasha would not despawn, I waited for another higher lvl Cleric of my guild reached the same point I did and had Gimblox's ring with her and Natasha popped after turning in the robe. Natsha did indeed despawn after being given the ring.

I petitioned and was told to contact the head GM of my server (Vazaelle) and was given his hours. I'm waiting for him to show up today and I'll continue to do so.
If he turns me down because I'm too low, then I'm just going to have to either start over or see if she pops when Omat is given the sea shell and give it to her then. I'm petty disheartened about the whole thing, as I camped Bergurgle for four hours and Gimblox for two.

Naemaru Raphaelstear
37th Cleric of Vazaelle server
Epic Shadows

Allakhazam - Quest

October 2000

if you waited for somebody else to spawn Natasha, then you ripped off somebody else who had camped Bergurgle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have to camp Bergurgle to get his crown. You give his crown to Schmedric which spawns Natasha and then you give the damaged crown off of the fire spirit to her.

She despawns after you give her the damaged crown so now somebody has to go re-camp bergurgle so that they can turn in the damaged crown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EQCleric Epic Guide

Also worth noting, the text the Natasha says when handing in the ring:

Natasha Whitewater says "Thank you, [your name] , for your services thus far. The Triumvirate missionaries are, so far, impressed. However, there is yet another threat rising from the Plasmatic Priesthood that may have dire effects on all of Norrath if it is not stopped. An Iksar member of the Triumvirate missionaries has discovered that the Plasmatic Priesthood has somehow convinced the sarnak summoners of Chardok to assit them in summoning Ixiblat Fer to Norrath. Take this shell to Naxton Deepwater in the Burning Woods so that she knows I have sent you. We ask that you return with the Sceptre of Ixiblat Fer as well as evidence to show that the Plasmatic Priesthood is dealing with sarnaks. High Priest Omat will await your return. I Must depart now. I pray for your success."

[Fri Mar 21 23:35:33 2014] Natasha Whitewater says, 'Thank you, Daldaen, for your services thus far. The Triumvirate missionaries are, so far, impressed. However, there is yet another threat rising from the Plasmatic Priesthood that may have dire effects on all of Norrath if it is not stopped. An Iksar member of the Triumvirate missionaries has discovered that the Plasmatic Priesthood has somehow convinced the sarnak summoners of Chardok to assist them in summoning Ixiblat Fer to Norrath. Take this shell to Naxot Deepwater in the Burning Woods so that she knows I have sent you. We ask that you return with the Sceptre of Ixiblat Fer as well as evidence to show that the Plasmatic Priesthood is dealing with the sarnaks. High Priest Omat will await your return. I must depart for now. I pray for your success.'

That reads as though she should despawn immediately after receiving the ring.

The Note turnin however doesn't appear to have any suggestion that she despawns, which would tend to agree with the posts above:

[Mon Mar 24 21:46:41 2014] Natasha Whitewater lowers her head in mourning and whispers a prayer. 'It is a shame that fate has decided one so young and from such a background should perish, but we must not attempt to change what was destined to be. Priestess Naxot sacrificed herself selflessly so that others may be spared the horrors Ixiblat would have brought to Norrath. May the waters of Norrath forever remember her reflection. I thank you for delivering Naxot's message to me and give you this pearl imbued with the power of the Triumvirate. Should you find Zordak Ragefire, speak with him before all else and hand him this pearl. No mortal enemy of the Triumvirate can resist its enchantments.'

[Daldaen]

Bump

[botrainer]

By the time line that I was told we are on, all this is true, Whitewater should despawn upon anyone turning in just 1 item to her...allowing clerics to actually do their epic as its intented and not have people get 10 15 20 pearls just by solely camping Lord G and nothing else.

I dont know why this was not changed as Im told P99 is currely 1 or 2 months away from Velious, this nerf should have happened if not be happening right now which would help greatly with the flux of people camping RF. Since they now have to do the WHOLE epic just to get pearls.

[Daldaen]

We are indeed supposed to be in the final patch before Velious which was November 2000.

[Crom]

don't think we are, last patch fixed h2h for monks and I don't think it is fixed yet.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Crom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

don't think we are, last patch fixed h2h for monks and I don't think it is fixed yet.

Yea I saw that. We certainly should be at that point however. Seeing as we've been in Kunark for so long.

That bug needs fixing.

[Daldaen]

Bump.

[Daldaen]

Bump, lets put the epic back in epic.

[Daldaen]

Cleric Epic Guide

Accepts Items: "Damaged Goblin Crown", results in "Ornate Sea Shell (I)" (actual item name is "Ornate Sea Shell", identifies as "Ornate Sea Shell", referred to herein as "Ornate Sea Shell (I)"), then Natasha despawns.

Accepts Item: "Lord Gimblox's Signet Ring", results in "Ornate Sea Shell (II)" (actual item name is "Ornate Sea Shell", identifies as "Ornate Sea Shell II", referred to herein as "Ornate Sea Shell (II)")

No mention of despawn on ring turnin here. Evidence against #2.

Also... Zordak is spawning in the wrong place, I'm pretty sure that's been reported before though. The merchant version should spawn where the KoS one does.

Also... Zordakalocus should flee at 10%, not enrage:

Tactics: After being given the pearl, Zordak Ragefire will attack you. When he is killed, his true (dragon) form, Zordakalicus Ragefire, will spawn on the spot where he dies. Zordakilicus Ragefire is a clone of Lord Nagafen, but will not banish level 53+ characters. Normal Nagafen tactics apply, except that he runs at the end of the fight, as in the above picture, and may hit somewhat harder than Nagafen.

The picture shows him crossing the bridge going down into the 4-spawn. He currently doesn't do this and should. Would be great to have him flee like classic $$$.