Game Mechanics: Blacksmithing Trivals

[Vandy]

There were a multitude of Smithing Trivial Changes during the June 5, 2002 patch.
Eqtraders Links from August 2002


Basics
Tools and Implements
Weapons
Armor


These lists include many items that were added during the Luclin expansion as well.
If needed I can go through all of them and try to sort out what is relevant to P99 and present a list by either item name or item number depending on which you prefer.

[Vega]

Ok, maybe it's not straying too much to add this here then, because what I was going to report is directly from that June 5th, 2002 patch.

Currently there are electrum ornate, gold ornate, and platinum ornate combines working in game. I don't believe they should be in until the patch that Vandy is mentioning. If you look at the snapshot of EQTraders from June 2nd, 2002, you'll see none of them are there:

http://web.archive.org/web/200206020...hing_armor.htm

Not super conclusive, but does coincide with when this stuff started getting comments on Alla:

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=12664

Perhaps there are alot of tradeskill related things on p99 that are in from this patch which shouldn't be?

[Vandy]

Vega is correct but those recipes were added the previous month to this patch on May 8th 2002.

The Platinum, Electrum and Golden Ornate recipes should not be active.

MAY 8, 2002

Tradeskills:

Added over 1,000 new tradeskill recipes for all levels of skill, along with many recipe books. A few of the vendors of Norrath might be able to get you started on your way.
Added Mortar and Pestle to a Thurgadin merchant.
Rubbing Alcohol is now available from a vendor in Thurgadin.

[nilbog]

This page discusses Ornate chain.

https://www.project1999.org/forums/s...?t=4514&page=2

Seems webarchive is temporarily down so I can't check into it atm.

[nilbog]

Pending update, the following smithing item trivial changes will be in effect:

Pot 122
Animal Shaped Cookie Cutter 56
Troll Shaped Cookie Cutter 56
Gnome Shaped Cookie Cutter 56
Metal Bits 21
Steel Boning 41
sheet metal 56
skewers 115
banded mail 135
Barbarian Shaped Cookie Cutter 56
banded gorget 102
banded mask 135
banded belt 135
banded bracer 102
banded boots 135
banded mantle 168
banded cloak 175
banded gauntlets 168
banded sleeves 102
banded leggings 168
studs 41
banded helm 135

[Vega]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This page discusses Ornate chain.

https://www.project1999.org/forums/s...?t=4514&page=2

Seems webarchive is temporarily down so I can't check into it atm.

Regular recipe should be in game, extra-cris... I mean electrum, gold, and platinum ornate should not be. For the comparison, look at the differences under 'Ornate Chain' between these two snapshots of EQTraders:

June 2nd, 2002:
http://web.archive.org/web/200206020...hing_armor.htm

August 11th, 2002:
http://web.archive.org/web/200208110...hing_armor.htm

The trivials listed in the first link are very interesting aswell, and would imply you need to change those for the regular ornate at the same time as changing the banded. Unfortunately they don't have the exact trivials for some of the pieces, just a range.

[NegaStoat]

Just a quick question - when the revised Blacksmithing Trivials are added to the server, will there be something in the Announcements section regarding it? Thanks.

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by NegaStoat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just a quick question - when the revised Blacksmithing Trivials are added to the server, will there be something in the Announcements section regarding it? Thanks.

It will most likely be listed in the patch notes for whatever patch it makes it into and listed in the news and announcements section like all the other patch notes. And yes i do know very rarely something is changed but not in patch notes but thats by mistake not on purpose.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by NegaStoat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just a quick question - when the revised Blacksmithing Trivials are added to the server, will there be something in the Announcements section regarding it? Thanks.

In the patch notes.

Originally Posted by Vega [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regular recipe should be in game, extra-cris... I mean electrum, gold, and platinum ornate should not be. For the comparison, look at the differences under 'Ornate Chain' between these two snapshots of EQTraders:

June 2nd, 2002:
http://web.archive.org/web/200206020...hing_armor.htm

August 11th, 2002:
http://web.archive.org/web/200208110...hing_armor.htm

The trivials listed in the first link are very interesting aswell, and would imply you need to change those for the regular ornate at the same time as changing the banded. Unfortunately they don't have the exact trivials for some of the pieces, just a range.

I see. I wish this was already set up properly, but it seems tradeskills are hard to research and almost no one knows about them. I'd like for these changes to happen at once.

So there should be no electrum, gold, or platinum ornate chain. I suppose the fairest way to go about that is to convert existing pieces into regular ornate chain.

Continuing on, from http://web.archive.org/web/200208110...hing_armor.htm, it shows the trivials for ornate chain as the following:

• gorget, bracers, mask 155
• belt, sleeves > 165 <=168
• coif 170
• boots, gloves, mantle 182
• leggings >166 <=175
• tunic 195
• cloak 222

Currently on the server, they are:

Ornate Chain Boots 122
Ornate Chain Bracelet 122
Ornate Chain Cloak 128
Ornate Chain Coif 132
Ornate Chain Gloves 128
Ornate Chain Gorget 119
Ornate Chain Leggings 135
Ornate Chain Mail 142
Ornate Chain Mantle 122
Ornate Chain Skirt 122
Ornate Chain Sleeves 122
Ornate Chain Veil 116


Is everyone in agreement these need to be changed?

[Vandy]

Yes the various ornate armor should be consolidated into the normal non-metal enhanced version and the trivials should be adjusted accordingly.