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Old 12-31-2013, 02:07 PM
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I know a very limited number of people that bought alts that park them (maybe a dozen, tops). I know plenty of people that have leveled alts while mains were parked. When Kunark dropped i parked my enc and leveled flippie, then leveled necro etc etc. It's an advantage because people worked hard to earn that advantage and make the most of their playtime. So why not do the same, I'm sure many taken folk have been leveling alts while parking on Inny for the last month+ and they've had him locked down. That's why the 1-week-hands-off period seems entirely reasonable to me it gives a week where Cat A guilds wont touch anything thats high priority even after a time period or X # of wipes. You only have to track/compete/mobilize against like minded folk and not worry about anyones parked toons.
I felt that it would be a decent trade off if I left vp as a ffa zone. Which at current key levels is not a big bullet to bite for "casual" raiders.
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Old 12-31-2013, 03:29 PM
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So TMO could dominate VP and get every single Trak, VS, and CT kill, and still have 5 other kills each month? This system still has nearly zero epic mobs going to anyone but TMO or FE/IB.

You just can't keep VP out of the conversation and make the numbers work.
I like the system, but it needs to be weighted. If every mob is the same value, then all that happens is tmo and ibfe kill the same mobs each and every week and we end up right where we started. The mobs need to be weighted based on value so guilds have to choose what mobs they want.

If the object here is to spread mobs around and get more guilds after more targets, this system gives guilds maestro.
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Look, I really want to make this better for the nonhardcores here. But if a small faction of people is going to cockblock progress because they're not getting exactly what they want.....
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Old 12-31-2013, 03:54 PM
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It's the only proposal with a spreadsheet so far. Pretty sure that is an auto-win
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Old 12-31-2013, 03:56 PM
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I like the system, but it needs to be weighted. If every mob is the same value, then all that happens is tmo and ibfe kill the same mobs each and every week and we end up right where we started. The mobs need to be weighted based on value so guilds have to choose what mobs they want.

If the object here is to spread mobs around and get more guilds after more targets, this system gives guilds maestro.
It "gives" nobody anything. It resets non vp mobs to a baseline of fairness in competition. It removes intrinsic advantage of raid guilds (camping poopsocking, bought alts). Nobody here deserves to be given anything.

Weighted system caters to casuals. Flat point system caters to nobody. A real compromise. Due to mechanics.. tracking and batphones will exist. A council makes the system malleable. No system should cater to one side.
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It's the only proposal with a spreadsheet so far. Pretty sure that is an auto-win
Math is great! We hit the moon with math!
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Old 12-31-2013, 03:57 PM
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Math is great! We hit the moon with math!
And Duct Tape!
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Old 12-31-2013, 03:59 PM
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Triple post...make your own raid forum! Its far down the page.. for the tldr crowd
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Old 12-31-2013, 04:00 PM
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I think that any point system would have to be weighted.
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Old 12-31-2013, 04:00 PM
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raid forum can pull double duty as a black market account trading hub as well.
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Old 12-31-2013, 04:02 PM
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raid forum can pull double duty as a black market account trading hub as well.
Wins for everyone!
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