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Old 10-24-2011, 04:46 AM
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Default Latest scientific consensus on intelligence, does it justify racism?

editors note: This post is not inherently racist, it's the presentation of the current consensus on intelligence. It's up to the viewer to decide if this information justifies racist views or if you believe all humans are equal after reading it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstr...n_Intelligence

Mainstream Science on Intelligence was a public statement issued by a group of academic researchers in fields allied to intelligence testing that claimed to present those findings widely accepted in the expert community. It was originally published in the Wall Street Journal on December 13, 1994 as a response to what the authors viewed as the inaccurate and misleading reports made by the media regarding academic consensus on the results of intelligence research in the wake of the appearance of The Bell Curve by Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray earlier the same year. It was drafted by professor of psychology Linda Gottfredson and signed by Gottfredson and 51 other university professors specializing in intelligence and related fields, including around one third of the editorial board of the journal Intelligence,[1] in which it was subsequently reprinted in 1997


1. "Intelligence is a very general mental capability ... it reflects a broader and deeper capability for comprehending our surroundings ..."
2. "Intelligence, so defined, can be measured, and intelligence tests measure it well. They are among the most accurate (in technical terms, reliable and valid) of all psychological tests and assessments."
3. "While there are different types of intelligence tests, they all measure the same intelligence."
4. "The spread of people along the IQ continuum ... can be represented well by the ... ‘normal curve'."
5. "Intelligence tests are not culturally biased"
6. "The brain processes underlying intelligence are still little understood"
7. "Members of all racial-ethnic groups can be found at every IQ level"
8. "The bell curve for whites is centered roughly around IQ 100; the bell curve for American blacks roughly around 85; and those for different subgroups of Hispanics roughly midway between those for whites and blacks. The evidence is less definitive for exactly where above IQ 100 the bell curves for Jews and Asians are centered"
9. "IQ is strongly related, probably more so than any other single measureable human trait, to many important educational, occupational, economic, and social outcomes ... Whatever IQ tests measure, it is of great practical and social importance"
10. "A high IQ is an advantage because virtually all activities require some reasoning and decision-making"
11. "The practical advantages of having a higher IQ increase as life’s settings become more complex"
12. "Differences in intelligence certainly are not the only factor affecting performance in education, training, and complex jobs ... but intelligence is often the most important"
13. "Certain personality traits, special talents, [etc] are important ... in many jobs, but they have narrower (or unknown) applicability or ‘transferability’ across tasks and settings compared with general intelligence"
14. "Heritability estimates range from 0.4 to 0.8 ... indicating genetics plays a bigger role than environment in creating IQ differences"
15. "Members of the same family also tend to differ substantially in intelligence"
16. "That IQ may be highly heritable does not mean that it is not affected by the environment ... IQs do gradually stabilize during childhood, however, and generally change little thereafter"
17. "Although the environment is important in creating IQ differences, we do not know yet how to manipulate it"
18. "Genetically caused differences are not necessarily irremediable"
19. "There is no persuasive evidence that the IQ bell curves for different racial-ethnic groups are converging"
20. "Racial-ethnic differences in IQ bell curves are essentially the same when youngsters leave high school as when they enter first grade ... black 17-year-olds perform, on the average, more like white 13-year-olds"
21. "The reasons that blacks differ among themselves in intelligence appear to be the same as those for why whites ... differ among themselves"
22. "There is no definitive answer as to why bell curves differ across racial-ethnic groups. The reasons for these IQ differences between groups may be markedly different from the reasons for why individuals differ among themselves within any particular group"
23. "Racial-ethnic differences are somewhat smaller but still substantial for individuals from the same socio-economic backgrounds"
24. "Almost all Americans who identify themselves as black have white ancestors – the white admixture is about 20% ... research on intelligence relies on self-classification into distinct racial categories"
25. "The research findings neither dictate nor preclude any particular social policy, because they can never determine our goals. They can, however, help us estimate the likely success and side-effects of pursuing those goals via different means."
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Old 10-24-2011, 04:51 AM
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Posting my review on the science here and leaving original post as the scientific facts only.
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Old 10-24-2011, 05:09 AM
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Old 10-24-2011, 06:48 AM
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A way to eliminate racism, as quoted by Morgan Freeman himself (a black man, for all you 4chan CP-faggots),

"Just stop talking about it. I'm gonna stop calling you a white man....and I'm gonna ask you to stop calling me a black man."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeixtYS-P3s

THE MOST REAL THING ALL YOU BLACK FOLK HAVE EVER SEEN. ITS BECAUSE HE'S ONE OF YOU TOO.
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A way to eliminate racism, as quoted by Morgan Freeman himself

"Just stop talking about it. I'm gonna stop calling you a white man....and I'm gonna ask you to stop calling me a black man."
I guess you didn't read anything from the consensus above. We live in an information based economy now where things like high IQ are important. The consensus shows there's a 15-20% IQ deficit in race that is not related to economic status and is genetic based.

This means if you continue on the current road as our civilization advances, you will end up with one of the following possibilities: a permanent unemployable class, a permanent welfare class, a permanent janitor class, or permanent criminal class due to inability to be employed.

Also, factor in the lower IQ demographics are reproducing faster than higher ones, which by definition is regression of civilization. This brings up questions like, should anything be done to prevent it? If a permanent lower class exists, dominated mostly by one ethnic group, it's obviously going to lead to huge problems as they increase in population. They'll use their numbers to lobby for socialism, to take wealth from other populations, or just flat out try to violently overthrow them out of spite.

Your suggestion of "ignoring" this whole thing is rather hilarious when it's obvious the problems are just getting started. At the very least, pretending like there is no problem will result in substantial decline for civilization in general due to the above reasons.
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I guess you didn't read anything from the consensus above. We live in an information based economy now where things like high IQ are important. The consensus shows there's a 15-20% IQ deficit in race that is not related to economic status and is genetic based.

This means if you continue on the current road as our civilization advances, you will end up with one of the following possibilities: a permanent unemployable class, a permanent welfare class, a permanent janitor class, or permanent criminal class due to inability to be employed.

Also, factor in the lower IQ demographics are reproducing faster than higher ones, which by definition is regression of civilization. This brings up questions like, should anything be done to prevent it? If a permanent lower class exists, dominated mostly by one ethnic group, it's obviously going to lead to huge problems as they increase in population. They'll use their numbers to lobby for socialism, to take wealth from other populations, or just flat out try to violently overthrow them out of spite.

Your suggestion of "ignoring" this whole thing is rather hilarious when it's obvious the problems are just getting started. At the very least, pretending like there is no problem will result in substantial decline for civilization in general due to the above reasons.
Man, I read your post. And reread the post above. And I REALLY want to post an intellectual retort. Take it as a troll or not, up to you. I get it. But I can't help but kill this thread.

Black people don't play Everquest as good as white people. These are facts. This isn't even a race thing, but...from my own personal experiences...they are more stingy in EC then the white person economy. I'd offer them a ride but...we all know how that goes. They try to sell me cheap things that are obviously worth more money then they offer (as proven through vent), and then they try to get their dealer (Bob) involved too. Blacks. Them there Blacks. I'm going to log in to a notification from da' Pig when I wake up. But yeah.
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White people turn up the treble. Black people turn up the bass.

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Favorite thread on RnF right now. Good work
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wormcheck still bellcurve trolling

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