Proposition For Raid Rules - Input Requested

[Ungriim]

First off I would like to say that this has been talked up to a few people in private - and has not been decided on yet by any guild. That being said this is what I propose, and would like feedback on it.

1. VP will remain FTE by any guild at all times.
Regardless of what goes on outside of VP, at all times VP will remain a CSR zone with no training and standard current FTE rules. Pull locations can be decided by guilds (ie zone in kills legal or not etc.)

2. The 2 hour window stall remains in effect.
Outside of VP - whoever kills a Kunark or Classic Dragon will be required to wait 2 hours before making an attempt the next time the dragon pops.

3. Forced raid breaks for high-kill guilds

Explaination: If you look at whokilledit.com, there are 2 dragons on 3 day (~8 kills a month) and 9 dragons on 7 day (~36 kills a month) for a total of roughly 44 dragon kills per month. Lets take that at a 25% rate. 11 dragons a month. ANY guild that kills more than 11 dragons a month is forced to take a raid break from Classic/Kunark dragons for the first week of the following month.

Reasoning: A lot of people are concerned that this 2 hour window thing will just create a top-2-guild-rotation and still not help the server population / nostalgia / raid scene out. I believe that this rule will either 1) Have the top guild sitting out for a week - and more than likely a couple of them sitting out, -or- 2) If they try to dodge it by killing only 11 dragons, then they will be leaving other dragons up anyways by picking and choosing.

VP: The 11 Dragon kill count WILL include VP dragon deaths, but the ruling WILL NOT suspend you from killing dragons in VP - see Rule #1.

4. Suggestion - Rogean reopens Raid Forum
Topic with each mob, guild leaders post in the topic when the mob is killed and by who. Topic to keep track of dragon tallies stickied. Allow everyone to see topics and post about possible raid alterations/solutions.





I am looking for honest opinions from different guilds and players on what you think about this scenario. I personally feel that it will allow other guilds to kill dragons, still allow higher end guilds to compete in VP, AND it will give hardcore players a break once a month from having to answer those goddamn batphones at 3am for Talendor.

Please dont 'trolololol this will never work' - be constructive.

[toosweet]

1 and 2 great
3 not so much

[radditsu]

1. With training illegal. explain to me why where you pull matters? Even the ledge should be opened up.

Also would like to see a gentlemenly agreement that you can't sit on a spawn point in VP. A race to pull/setup/kill the mobs. Fte should be absolutely respected until the guild wipes. FTE sniping (less than 2 groups in the zone on a pull.) should be strictly monitored. Leapfrogging after a mob has fte shouted and pulled to "eat a train" to look like a suspenable offense should also be monitored. Pullers are in vent and should know the position of the raid.

[Alarti0001]

I have a simple solution. Lets have FE/IB/TMO agree to no poopsocking, no delayed engages, and to leave up 4 dracos, and 2 naggy/vox/tal/sev/gore/fay/inny in an 8/4 cycle. (50%)

CT/Trak/VP always complete, and the draco that pops with CT always compete.

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a simple solution. Lets have FE/IB/TMO agree to no poopsocking, no delayed engages, and to leave up 4 dracos, and 2 naggy/vox/tal/sev/gore/fay/inny in an 8/4 cycle. (50%)

CT/Trak/VP always complete, and the draco that pops with CT always compete.

I like this, and if guilds decide to start competing then they can no longer engage the mobs that are left up.

[Ungriim]

Originally Posted by sanforce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like this, and if guilds decide to start competing then they can no longer engage the mobs that are left up.

Sooo.....you can either have what you're given....but if you try to compete you get nothing? (until you figure out how to out FTE guilds that have been doing it for years and have the player force to button mash all day?)

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by sanforce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like this, and if guilds decide to start competing then they can no longer engage the mobs that are left up.

Nah I think let the competition happen. Its not like Taken or BDA will be on FE/IB/TMO level anytime soon. If at some point they start getting tough in VP/Trak/CT/VS then we can talk about adding them to the "uber" club.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a simple solution. Lets have FE/IB/TMO agree to no poopsocking, no delayed engages, and to leave up 4 dracos, and 2 naggy/vox/tal/sev/gore/fay/inny in an 8/4 cycle. (50%)

CT/Trak/VP always complete, and the draco that pops with CT always compete.

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It keeps the good ones in a competitive arena. Casual guilds will get a 400% increase in targets.

Whats not to love.

this reminds me of the english premier league set up. seriously should try this out becuase it'll probably work.

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The staff seem to have the attitude of 'oh we built this awesome playground and you retards are shitting on it'.

Once your playground is in order, then you can ask the players to be nice.

they can ask the players in the playground to be nice because it's their playground to begin with you discourteous buttocks.

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a simple solution. Lets have FE/IB/TMO agree to no poopsocking, no delayed engages, and to leave up 4 dracos, and 2 naggy/vox/tal/sev/gore/fay/inny in an 8/4 cycle. (50%)

CT/Trak/VP always complete, and the draco that pops with CT always compete.

So for one, define no poopsocking. Does that mean no camping chars, no stall team sitting around, or no force sitting around(just a tracker?) I think, personally, no stall team or force sitting around is good and camping chars for Trak/CT/VS is acceptable, but a force inside VP should be racing from the zone in and not camping out inside lairs.

For this proposed pseudo-rotation:

Besides CT(& Draco CT), Trak, VS, & VP, blanket agreement for no guild to take more than 1 out of 4 spawns? For most mobs, FE/IB & TMO would easily reach their 50%, but that opens it up for another guild to take the other 50%, such as Taken/Taken on 2 inny spawns or BDA/BDA on 2 Vox spawns. Let's just make it 1 out of 4 for any guild?

Speaking for myself, and not my zerg, I would like to see VS added to the lesser mob list, but other than that I think we have something to work with here. Nice thought, Alarti.

[Ungriim]

radditsu - the pathing in VP is horrible, shit walks all over the place, paths thru walls, and you can possibly make a dragon run up and down a bridge 5 times just by clicking levi on and off - so it would be in effort to erase stalling shennanigans (ie kiting rules)