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Old 08-18-2014, 10:57 AM
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They definitely had the ability to alter proc rates earlier. The question is if they were implemented pre-luclin (outside of the singular instance from Mistwalker). I was previously under the impression that they were. However, looking at data from Lucy made it appear that they added proc rate mods to a lot of old items on 6-12-2006. So I amended that view a few months ago.

A more thorough analysis is making me revert back to my initial opinion... There was a patch on 6-13-2006, but lucy had a lot of items getting proc rate mods on 6-12-2006. Being as 6-12 was not a patch day, this makes me think that the change was lucy itself finally being able to parse proc rate mods, instead of them just being added at that date. Here's proof:

Here's a spell the patch notes mention changed in that patch. Update day is 6-13
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spellhist...90&source=Live

Here's staff of undead legions with a proc rate mod being "added" on 6-12
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=11662

Conclusion: Proc rate mods did exist, and lucy couldn't parse them until a 6-12-2006 update. Items with proc rate mods should be readjusted to have them.
bump the bug report with proc rates with your find
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Old 08-18-2014, 11:09 AM
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Lucy is a bad place for any classic research. The initial data entry they store is post timeline of this server. I think I saw the reason once was they changed db's or something in dec 2002 or had a data loss.
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Old 08-18-2014, 11:11 AM
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Lucy starts in march 2002. It's not ideal for some things. But when no other data exists it's a solid place if you have to make inferences.
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Old 08-18-2014, 11:49 AM
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Hi pals.

Actual procmod% as a value did not show up until the people at Lucy knew what to look for. We don't always know what exactly the return of a datamine means. This data point was originally listed as Unknown 070 in Lucy prior to it being discovered and assigned to Procmod at a much later date. In other words, we had access to the data then, the data just wasn't specifically assigned anything. As such, the original 38 are basically a snapshot of what procmods existed at that very time.

As I posted previously:

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There is a small possibility that there were items that had a proc mod in Luclin, but was nerfed prior to that post's date. Unfortunately, there's really no way of knowing any weapons that belong to that group since that post was when the identifier was discovered.

One thing I've noticed is that all the classic/Kunark items that have procmods now (EQlive), are procs of nukes that had their spell level reduced on the spell revamp.
Again, there is a chance that there were items that had a proc mod prior to Lucy.fnord.net that had the procmod removed prior to the discovery of Unknown070.
We know as of the implementation of Lucy onward what had a procmod. So, we have a snapshot of existing procmods, but no hard data prior to that.

Consequently, finding specific instances of a procmod being removed prior to us being able to mine the data is going to be very problematic as it would require either parse comparisons or specific patch notes. In cases where either of those sufficiently present, I think it's reasonable to change the rate to whatever we're comfortable with.
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Old 08-18-2014, 11:51 AM
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Original 38?
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Old 08-18-2014, 11:53 AM
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Ya I knew there were items that proc'd more than others originally.

I just couldn't prove it so I stayed out. I'm doing that more lately [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

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Old 08-18-2014, 12:01 PM
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Original 38?
The original 38 items that showed a different value for Unknown070 when it was discovered as the value for procmods.

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The field is called unknown070 by the eqemu database. It does not appear to be collected by Lucy/Alla. There are only 38 items in the game that have a non-zero value for this field. Here is what I found...



code:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------select id, Name, unknown070, nodrop from items where unknown070 != 0 order by unknown070;

+-------+---------------------------------+------------+--------+
| id | Name | unknown070 | nodrop |
+-------+---------------------------------+------------+--------+
| 28849 | Cudgel of Cowardly Death | -50 | 0 |
| 28908 | Dark Mace of Thought | -20 | 0 |
| 28917 | Dagger of Thought | -20 | 0 |
| 22998 | Ethereal Destroyer | -15 | 0 |
| 8899 | Snowchipper | -10 | 255 |
| 8903 | Spiked Velium Mallet | -10 | 255 |
| 7906 | Pebble Crusher | 1 | 0 |
| 8430 | Bloody Stone Dagger | 2 | 255 |
| 52071 | Tarantella | 2 | 0 |
| 8495 | Claw of the Savage Spirit | 3 | 0 |
| 26566 | Ishinaear Xiall | 3 | 0 |
| 26585 | Acrylia Handled Broadsword | 3 | 0 |
| 7399 | Soulbane | 4 | 255 |
| 8095 | Partisan of Stampede | 4 | 0 |
| 8102 | Mithril Knuckles | 4 | 255 |
| 19810 | Fireclaw Talons | 5 | 255 |
| 26587 | The Sword of Ssraeshza | 5 | 0 |
| 8916 | Silver Blade of Thunder | 10 | 255 |
| 9264 | Fiercewind | 10 | 255 |
| 24587 | Ivory Hilted Cleaver | 10 | 0 |
| 22879 | Obsidian Scimitar of War | 25 | 0 |
| 26599 | Caen's Bo Staff of Fury | 25 | 0 |
| 22999 | Darkblade of the Warlord | 30 | 0 |
| 24780 | Greatstaff of the Four Winds | 30 | 0 |
| 24790 | Corpsegrinder | 30 | 255 |
| 26738 | Fiery Staff of Zha | 50 | 0 |
| 28855 | Bloodfrenzy | 55 | 0 |
| 7822 | Blasphemous Blade of the Exiled | 65 | 0 |
| 22946 | Kelp Hilted Mace | 70 | 0 |
| 3820 | Barbed Fishing Net | 100 | 0 |
| 21878 | Pile Driver | 100 | 255 |
| 24793 | Greatstaff of Power | 180 | 0 |
| 5800 | Hammer of Judgment | 250 | 0 |
| 15996 | Hammer of Divinity | 325 | 0 |
| 5798 | Hammer of Souls | 450 | 0 |
| 22898 | Withering Staff of Agony | 530 | 0 |
| 22907 | Furious Hammer of Zek | 530 | 0 |
| 29365 | Hammer of Damnation | 530 | 0 |
+-------+---------------------------------+------------+--------+
38 rows in set (0.36 sec)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Old 08-18-2014, 12:10 PM
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Old 08-18-2014, 12:12 PM
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The original 38 items that showed a different value for Unknown070 when it was discovered as the value for procmods.
Do you know how/when eqemu database was populated? Is that a snapshot of a production data at some point in time or a best guess?
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Old 08-18-2014, 12:15 PM
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That snapshot definitely makes it appear as tho no pre Luclin items actually had a proc rate mod... if it can be confirmed as accurate to live data. Otherwise we're better checking lucy for dates closer to early 2002 using Unknown070 as a reference.
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