Spells: Whirl till you hurl!

[Trapp]

I would like to add, that my chanters WTYH does infact NOT always last for it's full duration, most likely due to mobs periodic resist check, whatever you may say.

[Silvermink]

Originally Posted by Trapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would like to add, that my chanters WTYH does infact NOT always last for it's full duration, most likely due to mobs periodic resist check, whatever you may say.

I agree with this. Although the shorter durations are usually 1-3 seconds shorter, not very short stuns. If I chain cast wtyh about 1 in 3 spells breaks right as I recast, others right before it lands.

[zebin]

Sorry, I was on the verge of falling asleep when I posted last night.

After going through my combat logs, I'll have to revise what I said in my earlier post. Whirl is not always lasting the full duration, it seems to be 7-10 seconds, on average. It feels like its lasting the full duration, because I can chain-spin mobs indefinitely. This is not how the spell used to function. VI nerfed it for a reason -- this spell completely kills the risk/reward that classic EQ is suppose to be about.

Also, unlike other stuns (color shift line, pally/cleric stuns) it seems to generate very little threat. If I chain stun a mob with AoE stuns chances are I'll get aggro unless its rooted. With whirl, aggro isn't an issue.

Here's what I'm talking about, strait from the log. The poor frog got in 2 rounds of attacks. Total damage done by the mob after tash landed: 158.
I'm not picking the best case senerio here, every pull was like this:

[Fri Nov 26 21:06:39 2010] You tell your party, 'haste still up?'
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:42 2010] Beginning to memorize Celerity...
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:44 2010] You have finished memorizing Celerity.
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:44 2010] Rusl tells the group, 'incoming a zol ghoul knight'
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:45 2010] Endrek tells the group, '2m'
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:46 2010] Strato begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:47 2010] a zol ghoul knight says 'Rrrrrrrrooooaaakkk!'
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:51 2010] Denies's spell fizzles!
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:52 2010] Jebeker goes berserk.
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:52 2010] Denies begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:52 2010] A zol ghoul knight hits Rusl for 18 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:52 2010] A zol ghoul knight was burned.
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:56 2010] A zol ghoul knight hits Rusl for 35 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:56 2010] A zol ghoul knight was burned.
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:56 2010] A zol ghoul knight kicks Rusl for 9 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:56 2010] A zol ghoul knight was burned.
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:56 2010] Rusl slashes a zol ghoul knight for 4 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:56 2010] Rusl tries to slash a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:57 2010] Xaber beams a smile at an urd ghoul wizard
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:57 2010] Xaber says 'Ahhh, I feel much better now...
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:57 2010] Rusl tries to kick a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:58 2010] Rusl tries to slash a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:58 2010] Rusl slashes a zol ghoul knight for 4 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:58 2010] Jebeker pierces a zol ghoul knight for 31 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:58 2010] Jebeker pierces a zol ghoul knight for 24 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:58 2010] Jebeker tries to pierce a zol ghoul knight, but a zol ghoul knight parries!
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:58 2010] Jebeker tries to kick a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:58 2010] You begin casting Tashani.
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:58 2010] Motubo tries to slash a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:59 2010] Klyre begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:59 2010] Motubo bashes a zol ghoul knight for 15 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:59 2010] Rusl slashes a zol ghoul knight for 10 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:59 2010] Rusl slashes a zol ghoul knight for 12 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:06:59 2010] A zol ghoul knight glances nervously about.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:00 2010] Rusl slashes a zol ghoul knight for 16 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:00 2010] Rusl slashes a zol ghoul knight for 15 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:00 2010] A zol ghoul knight hits Rusl for 26 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:00 2010] A zol ghoul knight was burned.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:00 2010] A zol ghoul knight tries to hit Rusl, but Rusl dodges!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:00 2010] Rusl stumbles.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:00 2010] Motubo slashes a zol ghoul knight for 5 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:00 2010] Motubo slashes a zol ghoul knight for 10 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:00 2010] Motubo begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:01 2010] Jebeker pierces a zol ghoul knight for 24 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:01 2010] Jebeker tries to pierce a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:01 2010] Rusl tries to slash a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:01 2010] Rusl tries to slash a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:01 2010] Rusl tries to slash a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:01 2010] Rusl slashes a zol ghoul knight for 1 point of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:02 2010] A zol ghoul knight is blinded by a flash of light.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:02 2010] Motubo tries to slash a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:02 2010] Motubo slashes a zol ghoul knight for 26 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:02 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 17 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:02 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 2 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:02 2010] You begin casting Whirl till you hurl.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:02 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 5 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:02 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 26 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:02 2010] Rusl feels the favor of the gods upon them.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:02 2010] Rusl tries to slash a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:02 2010] Rusl slashes a zol ghoul knight for 9 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:02 2010] Rusl begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:03 2010] Endrek backstabs a zol ghoul knight for 57 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:03 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 2 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:03 2010] Endrek tries to pierce a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:03 2010] Motubo slashes a zol ghoul knight for 26 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:03 2010] Motubo slashes a zol ghoul knight for 10 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:03 2010] A zol ghoul knight hits Motubo for 46 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:03 2010] A zol ghoul knight was burned.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:03 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 26 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:03 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 26 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:03 2010] Jebeker pierces a zol ghoul knight for 26 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:03 2010] Jebeker tries to pierce a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:03 2010] Jebeker pierces a zol ghoul knight for 28 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:04 2010] A zol ghoul knight is surrounded by flickering flames.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:04 2010] Jebeker bashes a zol ghoul knight for 10 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:04 2010] A zol ghoul knight is engulfed by fire.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:04 2010] A zol ghoul knight is engulfed by fire.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:04 2010] A zol ghoul knight tries to bash Motubo, but Motubo dodges!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:04 2010] A zol ghoul knight begins to spin.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:05 2010] Motubo tries to slash a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:05 2010] Motubo slashes a zol ghoul knight for 14 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:05 2010] Motubo tries to bash a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:05 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 12 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:05 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 5 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:05 2010] Rusl slashes a zol ghoul knight for 17 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:05 2010] Rusl slashes a zol ghoul knight for 17 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:06 2010] Endrek tries to pierce a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:06 2010] Endrek tries to pierce a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:06 2010] Rusl slashes a zol ghoul knight for 4 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:06 2010] Rusl slashes a zol ghoul knight for 10 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:06 2010] Jebeker pierces a zol ghoul knight for 32 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:07 2010] Motubo tries to slash a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:07 2010] Motubo tries to slash a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:07 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 10 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:07 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 26 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:07 2010] Rusl slashes a zol ghoul knight for 10 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:07 2010] Rusl slashes a zol ghoul knight for 14 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:07 2010] Endrek tries to pierce a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:07 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 12 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:08 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 22 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:08 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 21 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:08 2010] Motubo slashes a zol ghoul knight for 18 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:08 2010] Motubo slashes a zol ghoul knight for 12 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:08 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 1 point of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:09 2010] Jebeker pierces a zol ghoul knight for 32 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:09 2010] Jebeker pierces a zol ghoul knight for 26 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:10 2010] Endrek tries to pierce a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:10 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 10 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:10 2010] Motubo tries to slash a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:10 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 7 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:10 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 13 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:10 2010] Jebeker tries to kick a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:11 2010] Your Whirl till you hurl spell has worn off.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:11 2010] Endrek backstabs a zol ghoul knight for 71 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:11 2010] Motubo bashes a zol ghoul knight for 8 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:11 2010] Endrek tries to pierce a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:11 2010] Endrek tries to pierce a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:11 2010] Motubo slashes a zol ghoul knight for 26 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:11 2010] Motubo slashes a zol ghoul knight for 26 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:12 2010] You begin casting Whirl till you hurl.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:12 2010] Jebeker pierces a zol ghoul knight for 32 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:12 2010] Jebeker pierces a zol ghoul knight for 26 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:12 2010] Jebeker pierces a zol ghoul knight for 24 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:12 2010] Denies begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:13 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 19 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:13 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 19 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:13 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 26 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:13 2010] Motubo tries to slash a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:13 2010] Motubo slashes a zol ghoul knight for 12 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:14 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 2 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:14 2010] A zol ghoul knight begins to spin.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:14 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 17 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:14 2010] Endrek tries to pierce a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:14 2010] Jebeker pierces a zol ghoul knight for 27 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:14 2010] Jebeker pierces a zol ghoul knight for 26 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:14 2010] Jebeker pierces a zol ghoul knight for 32 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:15 2010] Motubo tries to slash a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:15 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 19 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:15 2010] Rusl begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:16 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 26 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:16 2010] Endrek tries to pierce a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:16 2010] Jebeker kicks a zol ghoul knight for 10 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:16 2010] Motubo tries to slash a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:16 2010] A zol ghoul knight has been struck by the force of Ykesha.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:16 2010] A zol ghoul knight has been struck by the force of Ykesha.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:16 2010] Motubo slashes a zol ghoul knight for 8 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:17 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 9 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:17 2010] Endrek tries to pierce a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:17 2010] Motubo tries to bash a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:17 2010] Jebeker pierces a zol ghoul knight for 31 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:17 2010] Jebeker pierces a zol ghoul knight for 32 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:18 2010] Endrek tries to pierce a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:18 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 17 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:18 2010] A zol ghoul knight is engulfed by a swarm.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:18 2010] Motubo tries to slash a zol ghoul knight, but a zol ghoul knight dodges!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:18 2010] Motubo slashes a zol ghoul knight for 26 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:18 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 19 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:18 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 19 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:19 2010] Endrek backstabs a zol ghoul knight for 57 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:19 2010] Endrek tries to pierce a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:19 2010] Endrek tries to pierce a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:19 2010] a tal ghoul wizard begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:20 2010] Motubo slashes a zol ghoul knight for 10 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:20 2010] Motubo slashes a zol ghoul knight for 26 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:20 2010] Jebeker tries to pierce a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:21 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 14 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:21 2010] Rusl's spell fizzles!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:21 2010] Motubo tries to slash a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:21 2010] Motubo slashes a zol ghoul knight for 8 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:22 2010] Rusl begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:22 2010] You grab hold of a zol ghoul knight and begin to dance with it.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:22 2010] a tal ghoul wizard begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:22 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 5 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:22 2010] Motubo bashes a zol ghoul knight for 16 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:22 2010] Jebeker kicks a zol ghoul knight for 7 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:23 2010] Jebeker pierces a zol ghoul knight for 30 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:23 2010] Jebeker pierces a zol ghoul knight for 32 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:23 2010] Your Whirl till you hurl spell has worn off.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:23 2010] Motubo slashes a zol ghoul knight for 11 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:23 2010] Motubo slashes a zol ghoul knight for 19 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:24 2010] Endrek tries to pierce a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:24 2010] Endrek tries to pierce a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:24 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 6 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:24 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 22 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:24 2010] You begin casting Whirl till you hurl.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:24 2010] Motubo tries to slash a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:24 2010] Motubo tries to slash a zol ghoul knight, but a zol ghoul knight parries!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:25 2010] Endrek tries to pierce a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:25 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 15 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:25 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 14 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:25 2010] Jebeker pierces a zol ghoul knight for 32 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:25 2010] Jebeker pierces a zol ghoul knight for 29 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:26 2010] Motubo slashes a zol ghoul knight for 7 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:26 2010] Motubo slashes a zol ghoul knight for 26 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:26 2010] Endrek backstabs a zol ghoul knight for 110 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:26 2010] A zol ghoul knight hits Motubo for 63 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:26 2010] A zol ghoul knight was burned.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:26 2010] A zol ghoul knight hits Motubo for 23 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:26 2010] A zol ghoul knight was burned.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:26 2010] A zol ghoul knight tries to kick Motubo, but Motubo parries!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:26 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 19 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:26 2010] Endrek tries to pierce a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:27 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 16 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:27 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 7 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:27 2010] A zol ghoul knight begins to spin.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:28 2010] Motubo tries to slash a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:28 2010] Motubo slashes a zol ghoul knight for 11 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:28 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 1 point of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:28 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 19 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:28 2010] Jebeker pierces a zol ghoul knight for 29 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:28 2010] Motubo tries to bash a zol ghoul knight, but misses!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:28 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 26 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:28 2010] Endrek pierces a zol ghoul knight for 26 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:29 2010] Jebeker kicks a zol ghoul knight for 7 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:29 2010] a zol ghoul knight has been slain by Jebeker!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:29 2010] You gain party experience!!
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:29 2010] Your faction standing with FrogloksofGuk got better.
[Fri Nov 26 21:07:29 2010] Your faction standing with UndeadFrogloksofGuk could not possibly get any worse.

[Nedala]

Originally Posted by zebin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is not how the spell used to function. VI nerfed it for a reason -- this spell completely kills the risk/reward that classic EQ is suppose to be about.

Are you aware VI didnt nerf whirl until somewhere in the kunark era? It was always this strong in classic EQ.

[zebin]

Originally Posted by Nedala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you aware VI didnt nerf whirl until somewhere in the kunark era? It was always this strong in classic EQ.

I remember screwing around with this spell soon after I got it in Jan-Feb 2000 (a few months before Kunark was released). If the mob was taking damage from melee combat, the spell was going to break almost instantly, and rush me. It was a huge taunt, and the stun never stuck. I put it in the back of my spellbook about the time I left Oasis of Marr to explore Unrest, and forgot about it. It was worthless.

Where are you getting Kunark from? Because as near as I can tell it was nerfed shortly after the game launched:

Right when the game started, I wrote an angry nerdy e-mail to Brad McQuaid about my class being nerfed (they nerfed Whirl Till You Hurl, an enchanter spell). He wrote back replying to what I had said in some detail and thanking me for my e-mail.

http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=16432.35

Whirl Till You Hurl.

Implemented as a long duration stunning effect whose only drawback was a high mana cost, a mana cost which was soon made irrelevant as you outleveled the spell as it worked on any mob regardless of level.

It was caught shortly after it was used to powerlevel a few people to level 50 in EQ and was nerfed into oblivion before the vast majority of the game's fanbase even knew it existed. Indeed as a direct result of the ability being nerfed and most of the other Enchanter abilities not working correctly or indeed at all led to the creation of a new filler spell for the Enchanter class to make them not completely useless: Clarity.

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/mmorp...nted-game.html


What I am aware of is that a level 32 enchanter in classic was not able to break, and hold, the entire basement in Unrest solo (where the dwarf spawns, plus all the terrors / hags in the pit, and the spawns in the hallway leading in behind the false wall). I certainly don’t remember being able to solo my way through the mazes in Live Side Guk at level 39 when there’s no one else in that side of the zone (kind of a moot point I guess, since Guk was always full back then, but you get my drift).

The real problem is that, as a whole, enchanters are not performing like they did in classic. Right now they’re the ultimate class, able to single pull and break any camp, with almost no risk to themselves. They’re like mages, with slightly weaker pets (I’m talking about the animations, which tank far better than they ever did in '99) but with root, mez, clarity, full troll racial regen, stuns and an unresistable lull. The class is overpowered on this server. For some reason, nobody wants to admit it.

The point of this server is to recreate classic EQ as best as possible. That should mean more than just getting the pathing and loot right. The classes should have the same basic strengths and weaknesses that they had back then. Currently the enchanter is way out of line.

edit: Edited a sentence to to make it clearer. I didn't mean that root was unresistable. But I've yet to see a lull get resisted, out of hundreds of casts.

[Silvermink]

Lull and root might be less resisted than live, but are far from unresistable. I don't remember how well pets did on live. Troll regen I don't think I ever used, probably reinforcing your claim of useless on live. While enchanters might be slightly more powerful, I don't think they are super OP

[Rais]

You do know Brad McQuaid was on drugs and a booze binge the entire time, and had no idea of what was going on in EQ right? This is fact, and all conversations about EQ mechanics from Brad should be thrown out the window.

[Icecometus]

Originally Posted by Xzerion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We are going to be nerfing it. We are still discussing how exactly but expect it to be similar to what has been reported thus far. We will keep you guys posted.

Originally Posted by Nedala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whirl worked like that in classic. It was nerfed somewhere during kunark era, but in classic whirl was always OP. During Kunark it was then nerfed sadly. After the nerf, the spell was crap. However, pls dont nerf it before they did on live :P

Are you absolutely sure it was nerfed after Kunark? Most of what I am reading says it was within the first few weeks of launch.

[eriamjh]

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