Freedom From Atheism Foundation

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its because its unreasonable to have highly organized extremely complex structures that are the very building blocks of life and tell people that they just kinda happened that way for no rhyme or reason.

it's not though. the conclusions are immediately skewed into where you set out from in the notion exploration. people look at the same thing and see differences all the time, but it doesn't change the fact that what they're looking at is what it is. this is similar to the buddhist parable of the blind men and the elephant. dna itself and the pattern called evolution doesn't prove or disprove any divine existence.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

look at the episteme of the notions

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by r00t [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's exactly what I'm saying.. All of the greats from Franklin to Einstein have been deists for a reason. Science proves things aren't just the adorable fantasy that things exist without being created, a quite common atheist belief.

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Posting jpgs loaded with falsehoods means nothing. The Big Bang does not posit that nothing exploded.

Einstein was not a deist. He was a pantheist and the nature of the universe was his "god."

[DeruIsLove]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Posting jpgs loaded with falsehoods means nothing. The Big Bang does not posit that nothing exploded.

Einstein was not a deist. He was a pantheist and the nature of the universe was his "god."

This is accurate.

[HawkMasterson1999]

To be a true atheist you have to have some measure faith that there is no god whatsoever. A true scientist should consider themselves agnostic instead because our understanding on the universe is so pathetically limited that we couldn't possibly know if a god exists or not. So far, science doesn't really offer a satisfactory alternate explanation for the origin of our realm (universe if you prefer). Sure, they have the big bang theory but many scientist believe that to be part of a repeating cycle (rubber band theory) which leaves the questions of origin unanswered.

I'm not talking about "God" as described by any specific religious text. Its pretty simple to discredit the things written in the bible, quran, etc. Obviously these are man made texts with all the flaws of man included. It's like a 2000 year old game of telephone and all the players have their own agenda.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by HawkMasterson1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To be a true atheist you have to have some measure faith that there is no god whatsoever. A true scientist should consider themselves agnostic instead because our understanding on the universe is so pathetically limited that we couldn't possibly know if a god exists or not. So far, science doesn't really offer a satisfactory alternate explanation for the origin of our realm (universe if you prefer). Sure, they have the big bang theory but many scientist believe that to be part of a repeating cycle (rubber band theory) which leaves the questions of origin unanswered.

I'm not talking about "God" as described by any specific religious text. Its pretty simple to discredit the things written in the bible, quran, etc. Obviously these are man made texts with all the flaws of man included. It's like a 2000 year old game of telephone and all the players have their own agenda.

mein neger checkin dat episteme

[Shamalam]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its because its unreasonable to have highly organized extremely complex structures that are the very building blocks of life and tell people that they just kinda happened that way for no rhyme or reason.

Congratulations, you've joined the legions of mongoloids that have no idea how evolution actually works and are too lazy/ignorant/stubborn to read about it for ten minutes. Ten minutes. That's all it takes for anyone with an IQ above that of a doormat to realize that a simple process, over billions of years, can result in these incredibly complex systems that our human brains (which are also the result of these systems...) cannot yet fully comprehend. There are literally mountains of evidence in support of evolution, and no evidence against it. That is how scientific theories work. Try to follow along.

[Rhuma7]

Originally Posted by HawkMasterson1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To be a true atheist you have to have some measure faith that there is no god whatsoever. A true scientist should consider themselves agnostic instead because our understanding on the universe is so pathetically limited that we couldn't possibly know if a god exists or not. So far, science doesn't really offer a satisfactory alternate explanation for the origin of our realm (universe if you prefer). Sure, they have the big bang theory but many scientist believe that to be part of a repeating cycle (rubber band theory) which leaves the questions of origin unanswered.

I'm not talking about "God" as described by any specific religious text. Its pretty simple to discredit the things written in the bible, quran, etc. Obviously these are man made texts with all the flaws of man included. It's like a 2000 year old game of telephone and all the players have their own agenda.

You have Atheism and Agnosticism backwards.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Shamalam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Science proves no such thing, and the fact that you think otherwise suggests a complete lack of understanding of how science actually works. In fact, "things exist without being created" actually seems to apply quite well to your idea of a creator/god. If nothing can exist without a creator, who created god? Did he just create himself one day? If he was able to come into being without being created by something greater, why can't the same be true of all life as we know it?

And while we're at it, what gives you the right to decide for us who the "great" scientists are? I could just as easily cherry pick some "great" atheist scientists, too, but what would that prove?

The fact that we can't comprehend that God wasn't created gives a lot of credence to the fact that we were created. A created being would have no comprehension of how a non-created being could have existed without being created. We always have to assign a beginning and an end to everything. Its a human limitation.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that we can't comprehend that God wasn't created gives a lot of credence to the fact that we were created. A created being would have no comprehension of how a non-created being could have existed without being created. We always have to assign a beginning and an end to everything. Its a human limitation.

you tripped up a bit there