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[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Luminari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Where does a natural process even originate from in the first place?

This is a good question. It is a good question to which we have no answer. We can hypothesize, but without a method by which it's validity may be scrutinized, such a hypothesis can be conclusively neither affirmed nor denied. Assertion of either is therefore faith based. Yes, atheism is a faith since the absence of a divinity cannot be assured.

The marvel of our universe is all the more miraculous though if the product of chance than than of an omnipotent being. The latter rendering all unimpressive.

Still, I like to think there is something more, be it (a) superior being(s) or supernatural processes primarily out of grief for my own mortality ^^ won't know 'Tim I get there though and in the event that is the end, I hope it remains a ways off yet and choose to live each day to its fullest ^^

[Verenity]

This has easily been the most entertaining thread in a while. Thank you to everyone who participated

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You and that baseless thing you said.

How is it baseless exactly? Things can't just happen on their own for no reason. Do computer programs write themselves? Do paintings paint themselves? Can a car drive itself without being programmed by a person to do so? What we think of natural processes are actually designed and created that way by someone who had the knowledge to do so.

This is a good question. It is a good question to which we have no answer.

False. There is only one possible answer. They came from a being who has the capability of creating them. There is simply no other logical possible alternative.

So, you're saying caterpillars don't wrap themselves up and turn themselves into butterflies?

They only do because that's what their DNA is programmed to do.

Obviously since nothing intelligent intervenes butterflies simply shouldn't exist.

Um no. We can tell that something intelligent intervenes because butterflies do exist. The intelligence is embedded in their genetic code. Just like a computer program can perform tasks on it's own but only when designed to do so by a being with the intelligence to do so.

its as simple as that

If it's so simple then why can't man create a tree? Sorry but you're painfully delusional. The genetic code that makes up a tree or even the simplest of organisms is unimaginably complex.

"DNA is like a computer program only far more advanced than any ever created by man" - Bill Gates

DNA contains information and information can only come from an intelligent being. Therefor DNA can only have been created by a being with the intelligence to do so. Since whoever created DNA also created us, they are therefor God.

[maskedmelon]

Rationalizing faith only serves to undermine it. By definition faith is belief without proof. It is perfectly acceptable to know one thing and believe something contrary, but that is not always easily practiced.

You gave plenty of examples of man made things demonstrating creation necessitates an intelligent creator. How then do you explain things like erosion, wild fires and even spider webs? All three are created by unintelligent entities (wind, water, lightning, spiders).

Your argument that the existence of 'things' necessitates a creator, because man creates things is not logical because the validity of the association is indeterminate. Man is not the creator of all things, we do. Of know the extent of all creators in the universe and as I've demonstrated above we have examples of creation by non-intelligent things, so the assertion is illogical. It's fine to attribute those processes to a larger design by an intelligent creator, but the latter can be neither proven nor disproven.

[maskedmelon]

I should add that I am not trying to undermine your faith either, just pointing out that your approach does that by placing you in the uncomfortable position of arguing against reason. Your response to naysayers ought to just be "yeah, I know, but I believe this" and if you want to fill in a 'because' with how it has benefitted your life, you'd be much more apt to succeed.

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by Luminari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

False. There is only one possible answer. They came from a being who has the capability of creating them. There is simply no other logical possible alternative.

That, in itself, is a natural process. So your entire premise is factually and logically wrong.

[jarshale]

So your whole argument is basically "look how fucking complex DNA is, God must have done it"?

[Ranndom]

Originally Posted by Luminari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How is it baseless exactly? Things can't just happen on their own for no reason. Do computer programs write themselves? Do paintings paint themselves? Can a car drive itself without being programmed by a person to do so? What we think of natural processes are actually designed and created that way by someone who had the knowledge to do so.



False. There is only one possible answer. They came from a being who has the capability of creating them. There is simply no other logical possible alternative.



They only do because that's what their DNA is programmed to do.



Um no. We can tell that something intelligent intervenes because butterflies do exist. The intelligence is embedded in their genetic code. Just like a computer program can perform tasks on it's own but only when designed to do so by a being with the intelligence to do so.



If it's so simple then why can't man create a tree? Sorry but you're painfully delusional. The genetic code that makes up a tree or even the simplest of organisms is unimaginably complex.

"DNA is like a computer program only far more advanced than any ever created by man" - Bill Gates

DNA contains information and information can only come from an intelligent being. Therefor DNA can only have been created by a being with the intelligence to do so. Since whoever created DNA also created us, they are therefor God.

Im just gonna break your brain here so youll shut up.
If god is an intelligent being, who created god? By your logic, surely god has to have a creator too, and that creators creator, and so forth which completely destroys the 1 god theory
If hes not an intelligent being, and he just supposedly happened to be, well that goes against everything your preaching. Which is called nature Btw.
Either way, You're Wrong. Theres no other options.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Ranndom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Either way, You're Wrong. Theres no other options.

His logic is faulty, but that does not preclude the existence of providence.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Luminari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

God did it
God did it
God did it
God did it
God did it
God did it

Ok, now out of the half billion gods out there, pick which ones were responsible for what.