Game Mechanics: Lets Talks About Velious Binding Rules

[Mezzmur]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

talking ab where that specific entrance to the Plane is not their bind pts....as in they were bound in PoM and now adventuring outside it aka changed their bind from inside PoM to outside elsewhere in the game

revamp made it possible to zone to PoM from another location not in NTOV

we spent two weeks bound outside of the Plane of Mischief

I don't read that the way you are reading it then. That says we were bound outside PoM.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Mezzmur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't read that the way you are reading it then. That says we were bound outside PoM.

if I am bound in Greater Faydark - I am bound outside of the Plane of Mischief...aka no longer INSIDE PoM as in they were bound inside then changed those bind points to be outside

they do not say "they are bound at the cubby where you click into PoM" or "bound at the PoM castle in ToV"

[Thunderjunky]

That's tough to determine what he actually means regarding where they were actually bound... It's prose; it's enhanced for effect.
He also says he crossed from Erudin to Kaladim with monsters 3 feet behind him the whole way...without clarifying how they followed him through zones and onto the boats...he's not elaborating on each specific.
As such, saying for sure that he meant he was bound IN NToV IN the PoM cubby is not possible. Otherwise you also have to assume he didn't die from mob trains (you can be hit by mobs at 3 feet) and that he really meant they followed him across the whole world without a break through zones and on boats.
At the same time you also can't absolutely prove, FROM THIS STORY, that he wasn't bound
IN NToV IN the PoM cubby...that falls to all of the other evidence listed in this thread that it wasn't possible.

[Freakish]

Nice work Bamek I'd call that pretty good conclusive evidence binding was allowed in ToV.

[Thunderjunky]

Touche (accent, etc).

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Freakish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nice work Bamek I'd call that pretty good conclusive evidence binding was allowed in ToV.

Right bc one guy saying he was bound 'outside PoM' which literally can refer to anywhere outside of the actual Plane of Mischief is proper evidence that you can bind in Temple Veeshan when a pile of evidence has been shown to the contrary.

The only evidence supporting binding in Temple Veeshan:

You can do it on P99 currently. ( we had alot of fucked up shit here, this is not evidence it should stay )
A few people 'remember being bound there'(Mis-remembering is a thing when this game has spanned 10+ years with various expansions/forms of travel )
One guy in very roleplay-esque prose way talks about being bound "outside of the Plane of Mischief" you know the one in NTOV.

Whereas the evidence against it:

An actual binding ruleset guide that no one refutes
Logic
You cannot be bound there at Live today as well as the Velious/Kunark bind ruleset still applies as written today.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by Freakish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nice work Bamek I'd call that pretty good conclusive evidence binding was allowed in ToV.

And then they randomly took it out without ever mentioning it in the patch notes? There just happens to be pages of people discussing binding/locket of escape with no mention of ToV binding -- yet extensive mention of binding outside dungeons? And of corse, lets just assume the post that unequivocally states that binding in ToV is impossible is completely wrong -- even though it was never contradicted. When people discussed the locket it was portrayed as "being able to bind almost anywhere" not literally everywhere.

I'm not saying that highly dramatized RP story counts for nothing, but it doesn't really stand up to the counter-evidence.

[Scryll]

Binding in ToV was never classic. I do not recall this at all, only place I recall people being bound was at the entrance to ToV in WW. I remember a monk friend of mine being bound "inside" PoM tho.

[Thunderjunky]

I wonder if sarcasm is lost in text.

[Ele]

Same guy posting in two different newgroup threads mid-2001. Incomplete lists, but interesting comment about Skyshrine binding.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....w/SS9A3BoemKwJ

On Sat, 02 Jun 2001 02:34:51 GMT, robe...@pacbell.net (Robert Marshall)
scribed into the ether:
>Can't you bind anywhere on the face of Norrath?
No.

You can only BE bound in city zones. All starting cities, as well as the OT
outpost, the FV outpost, the City of Mist, Kael, Skyshrine, and Thurgadin
count as city zones. So does highpass. There is also the new bind spot near
kaesora in the field of bone, and the gypsy camp in north karana.

You can bind YOURSELF almost anywhere...but there are exceptions to this.
You cannot bind in:
Timmorous Deep
Plane of Hate
Plane of Air
Crystal Caverns
Veeshan's Peak
Velketor's Labyrinth.

And I think there is one more spot that I am forgetting that is unbindable.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....E/k-ZeKgdRVAQJ

On Mon, 5 Mar 2001 07:26:48 -0800, "John M. Pryor" <jpr...@cts.com> scribed
into the ether:
>I need some basic info on the spell Bind Affinity. I know what it does, but
>I'm unclear on the mechanics within the game. My understanding is that if I
>had Bind (not til next level, unfortunately), I could bind myself pretty
>much anywhere. But If I get someone else to bind me, what I think I know is
>that we must join and then they can only bind me in certain spots. For
>example, in Qeynos, people get bound at the gates of the city. But what do
>you do in a zone that doesn't have cities? I'm currently in North Karanas
>and it's a L-O-N-G corpse run (from Everfrost) if I die, so I'd like to be
>bound, but I have no clue as to WHERE someone could bind me. What are the
>rules and/or signs of where someone can bind you?
Reprinted from a few weeks ago (well, ok, not reprinted, going from memory)

You can BE bound (by someone else) in the following locations:
Halas
North Qeynos
South Qeynos
Surefall Glade
Erudin
Erudin Keep (or is it castle?)
Paineel
High Pass Hold
The Arena (off lake rathe)
Rivervale
Oggok
Grobb
Neriak Foreign Quarter
Neriak Commons
Neriak whatever-the-third-zone-is-called
Temple of Solusek Ro (I'm pretty sure, but not 100% on this)
East Freeport
North Freeport
West Freeport
Kaladim
The greater faydark (whole zone)
North Felwithe
South Felwithe
Ak'Anon
East Cabalis
West Cabalis
The outpost section of The Overthere (not the whole zone)
The outpost section of Firiona Vie (not the whole zone)
The City of Mist
Thurgadin
Icewell keep
Kael Drakkel
Skyshrine

Casters can self-bind themselves ANYWHERE IN THE GAME, with the following
exceptions:
You cannot bind in the plane of hate
You cannot bind in the timorous deep
I believe you cannot bind in the plane of Air
You cannot bind in Velketor's Labyrinth
You cannot bind in the Crystal Caverns
Probably cannot bind in other velious zones that I've never tried to bind
in (or have never been to [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.])

Skyshrine in velious is a wierd exception...anyone can BE bound there, but
NOBODY can bind themselves.