Updated weapon aggro chart?

[long.liam]

If they fix poison counter hate, the WESS would produced 1800 hate every time it procs. Currently it producing only 800 hate which is still very good.

[PatChapp]

If a wess did 800hate per proc it would be more agro than an sod.

[long.liam]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a wess did 800hate per proc it would be more agro than an sod.

Have you tested it? I have. You're welcome to go test the hate on it yourself and provide evidence that I'm wrong.

[long.liam]

Originally Posted by long.liam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you tested it? I have. You're welcome to go it test the hate on it yourself and provide evidence that I'm wrong.

And Yes SOD proc only produces 688 Hate. 400 hate for the stun affect and 288 hate for the damage.

[Snaggles]

Either you are wrong or every raid warrior on the server is wrong.
Wanna flip a coin?

[zelld52]

Ok now parse WESS damage vs. Herbalist Spade damage.

What did you find?

Herbalist Spade isn't just good because of the proc, but it's almost a 1 ratio. So it's great damage too. Especially at 50+.

WESS is sub 0.5 ratio. Awful.

By the logic of "It won't proc enough" - WeSS isn't worth shit either. 1h weapons do not proc more than 2h weapons.

As a tank, I'd rather be doing 150 damage per swing rather than 35 per swing.

The 10-20% chance of proc, where are these numbers coming from? Horseshit lol.

I've seen tanks hold aggro better with Shovel of the Harvest over many proccing weapons because of the burst damage. It's the same reason a rogue is hard to pull aggro from. Not because of their procs, but because of the amount of damage done in one round.

[PatChapp]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok now parse WESS damage vs. Herbalist Spade damage.

What did you find?

Herbalist Spade isn't just good because of the proc, but it's almost a 1 ratio. So it's great damage too. Especially at 50+.

WESS is sub 0.5 ratio. Awful.

By the logic of "It won't proc enough" - WeSS isn't worth shit either. 1h weapons do not proc more than 2h weapons.

As a tank, I'd rather be doing 150 damage per swing rather than 35 per swing.

The 10-20% chance of proc, where are these numbers coming from? Horseshit lol.

I've seen tanks hold aggro better with Shovel of the Harvest over many proccing weapons because of the burst damage. It's the same reason a rogue is hard to pull aggro from. Not because of their procs, but because of the amount of damage done in one round.

Yeah I used a herbalist spade from 30-55ish,held agro fine in groups
Once you start competing with epic rogues and monks it only works after a proc
For group content just having someone root the mobs is the best agro.

[Jimjam]

Wouldn’t wess be in secondary if duoed with a frostbringer?

Thats half procrate

[Vivitron]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Root generates almost no aggro through its inherent effect, so it's all predicated on the mechanical aspect of a rooted mob always hitting the closest target.

Not anymore. Root gives the same aggro as other hp scaling aggro effects on this p99 patch: it gives equal aggro to a stun/slow/ac debuff/etc. It is an obnoxious change for root based cc but nice for the shovel tanks.

long.liam is right about the current WESS proc aggro. WESS doesn't have the best swing aggro and long duration blinds are a strong effect you might not want, though.

[Snaggles]

No, it’s up to the threshold. IE it’s capped outside additional damage that is done by the spell.

Movement limiting spells are not good for aggro. Root is only good for proximity tanking (which still has its place). The old root net meta used to make sense since recharging was cheap and you could carry a bagful. These days the scepter per click sucks (it’s prob like 200) but 10 clicks is something to write home about.

Blinding Poison III is a “spell”, it having three lines doesn’t make it plural. Not these days if you read the patch.