Rotations for Old World Raid Mobs

[Tetsuo]

Originally Posted by Nibblewitz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One mob lockout on all encounters: If you killed X this week you can't kill X next week.

Make it a three week guild lock out, just the suggestion is going to make the people who sit on these spawns go up in arms

[fadetree]

Make MQ's stop working and it will be different. Can still sell loot rights, but that's a lot more obvious and time-sensitive.

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2 hour respawn on everything. Will solve everything.

no it wont, it will just reward the poopsockers even more lol. Instead of socking and killing once a week, they will sock and klll all week, forever...

[Tetsuo]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Make MQ's stop working and it will be different. Can still sell loot rights, but that's a lot more obvious and time-sensitive.

Yeah suggesting no more MQ will also send those who could lose revenue to take up arms

[Lowako]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Make MQ's stop working and it will be different. Can still sell loot rights, but that's a lot more obvious and time-sensitive.

I've never understood the hatred of multiquesting. Personally I find them quite convenient. I would much rather spend some time at a camp in sebilis and similar zones, or sniping named like Keldor instead of killing a trivial monster every 6 minutes and 50 seconds to get jboots/pained soul etc. MQs also make getting velious armor items a lot less luck dependent.

People selling loot rights would just be an even worse situation I think. Items like Child's Tear (People kill the mob for reasons other than the MQ) would be even more of a headache to acquire.

[Sadiki]

There's no flat solution to just removing MQing, but the general idea of removing people's urge to sock every single mob on P99 is a step in the right direction. This server has fallen so low just because of greed and unlike 17 years ago people now fully take advantage of others as much as possible. It also makes RMT painfully obvious when some random shows up to loot everything you kill for a week.

Originally Posted by Lowako [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Items like Child's Tear would be even more of a headache to acquire.

Can just hold a bucket under the forums to collect these

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Lowako [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People selling loot rights would just be an even worse situation I think. Items like Child's Tear (People kill the mob for reasons other than the MQ) would be even more of a headache to acquire.

First off, multi-questing is classic, so it's not going anywhere. But if we really want to hurt plat farming there's a (also not-classic, but) very simple way to do so that won't impact 99.9% of the server: institute a max plat per account limit (eg. 500k). Won't stop it entirely, but it will make the plat farmer's lives a lot harder because it will be like trying to run a business with a credit card limit of $500 (even if you get lots of those credit cards it still makes business harder). Plus, it will make it easier to catch them, because the GMs will have a better chance to see something fishy is going on when the farmers move large amounts of plat between their accounts (to get around the limit).

But that being said, it's often trotted out in these discussions that "People selling loot rights would just be an even worse situation I think." This is false.

It's just basic economics: currently (say) the Child's Tear has value of N plat because it's MQ can be sold. Therefore people compete for it because of that value. If the tear couldn't be MQed an entire class of people competing for that item would go away, and N would drop by a ton. N wouldn't be zero (you'd still have people paying to go on fear raids to get the tear), and it would mean that Shaman actually have to go to Plane of Fear to do their epic (oh the horrors!), but the cost of the ticket would be much lower (if the fear-raiding guild with all Shaman epic-ed doesn't sell that ticket it's value becomes 0, they have a strong incentive to sell it for cheap ... MUCH cheaper than the current MQ cost). Also, anyone who doesn't want to pay for a ticket at all and just wants to go with their friends or guild will have a much greater chance of finding the child.

So it would make things harder for anyone who just wants to grind plat for days and then buy their epic, but it would make things a ton easier for every Shaman who actually wants to do their epic the way they were supposed to.

Of course, this is much more true for most MQs than it is for the child's tear (because the tear requires max True Spirit faction to MQ), but you get the idea.

[Ravager]

They should just implement instances. Instances are classic. Back then they were called "other servers".

Also, server splits were classic too. Would go a long way to solving the top end congestion.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They should just implement instances. Instances are classic. Back then they were called "other servers".

Also, server splits were classic too. Would go a long way to solving the top end congestion.

It's ironic: all the non-classic solutions are "blocked by Verant/SOE" (in the sense that they made classic work the way it did). This solution is classic ... but it's also being thwarted by Verant/SOE (if you believe the rumors that P99 can't open new servers without getting sued).

[Lowako]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's just basic economics: currently (say) the Child's Tear has value because it's MQ can be sold. Therefore people compete for it because of that value. If the tear had no value (other than the value to the Shaman who acquires it) an entire class of people competing for that item would go away. Yes it would mean that Shaman actually have to go to Plane of Fear to do their epic (oh the horrors!), but when they did they'd actually have a chance of seeing the iksar child because the MQ sellers would have no incentive to compete over it.

So it would make things harder for anyone who just wants to grind plat for days and then buy their epic, but it would make things a ton easier for every Shaman who actually wants to do their epic the way they were supposed to. Of course, the child tear is probably not the best example because it's harder than almost any other MQ in the game (because of the faction requirement), but you get the idea.

I understand the point you are trying to make but you picked the worst literal MQ in the game to make that point for. People would kill pofear golems even if childs tear rotted to the floor every time and couldn't be MQ'd because they drop AoN/Strings/Slimeblood etc. I also disagree with you, to an extent. There are items that only provide benefit to the person who loots it (pony cloak, eyepatch of plunder map pieces, that dude who sold pohate stuff, infestation, a broken disc, people buying ntov and vindi loot etc) and those items still have loot rights sold. I'm not quite sure what other MQs have a significant bottleneck problem but I wouldn't find it surprising for people to kill the mob, try to sell the loot rights, then loot it on an alt/friends character/friends alt/ if they can't sell it.