TMO raid suspension secretly lifted

[Flunklesnarkin]

GM's not personally informing you of the reduced suspension =/= Secret


either way I do feel GM's are way too lenient here... GM's let raiding guilds walk all over them and the rules.

[Craigmandu]

Still wondering where all the forum raging was when IB got an entire week off of their suspension when they were 100% guilty of ninja looting. No new fraps or logs were brought to the table to prove that they didn't ninja.

How do you know this? How do you know it wasn't "secret" like this was? That should have been made public just like this should have been. Again, it is the authorities responsibility to inform the community when they make changes to publicly declared decisions. It's okay to change it, and it could very well be warranted, just be transparent about it.

[Boombha]

But right now we have server rules that are selectively and secretly enforced. So either we need transparency and consistency, or no rules.

We can't say if they were selective because we will never know the full story. We will only know one guild side, and what the other guild thinks their side is. We will never know everything, so to say it's selective is just nonsense.

So that can be fixed by it not being secret? So, then we put every dispute on the forums and let everyone here have their million and one opinions and then let everyone here be the jury and then perhaps a poll for the judging? That's equally nonsense. Nothing is ever cut and dry/ black and white. Everyone can see the same evidence and come to different conclusions. It would be chaos to do all of that on the open forums.

[solodeath]

the suspension should of stayed, these guys are douches

[Hitchens]

Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

GM's not personally informing you of the reduced suspension =/= Secret

Don't really understand this myself either. I can't think of too many games that will discuss disciplinary actions with players. Perhaps a precedent had already been set here, but if so I'm not sure it's a very good one.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Originally Posted by Craigmandu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you know this? How do you know it wasn't "secret" like this was? That should have been made public just like this should have been. Again, it is the authorities responsibility to inform the community when they make changes to publicly declared decisions. It's okay to change it, and it could very well be warranted, just be transparent about it.

Thats an interesting concept.


Public humiliation might help people see how much work the GM's actually do on bans.



Maybe make a thread where it lists a persons in game name(s), offense, and penalty/punishment.


I know other games have done that before and you can see just who the worst offenders are easily.

[Jimes]

Originally Posted by Craigmandu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you know this? How do you know it wasn't "secret" like this was? That should have been made public just like this should have been. Again, it is the authorities responsibility to inform the community when they make changes to publicly declared decisions. It's okay to change it, and it could very well be warranted, just be transparent about it.

The reduction of IB's suspension wasn't secret.

[Boombha]

Maybe make a thread where it lists a persons in game name(s), offense, and penalty/punishment.

Like in the newspapers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Decisions are not up for public debate, but once they are made, a listing is made for all to see.

[Banditfist]

Originally Posted by Jimes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reduction of IB's suspension wasn't secret.

How do you know it wasn't increased? Fuckstick!

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Hitchens [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, I wasn't saying anything was done by mistake. By misguided I meant that the desire to keep it quiet to avoid a shitstorm actually accomplished the opposite.

Yeah, but I bet it would have happened in either case. /shrug

Originally Posted by Boombha

Like in the newspapers

Decisions are not up for public debate, but once they are made, a listing is made for all to see.

From Amelinda's post here it would seem there is some sort of non disclosure rule about stuff the GMs follow.