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Religious texts that discuss things like god and Jesus' (or Mohammad's) relationship to a god are not "proof". They're religious texts. You can believe or not. There is no proof that Jesus was the son of a god any more than there is evidence that Mohammad was the final prophet. That isn't covered by what we're discussing. There is, however, a plethora of evidence describing Jesus and his life (and death), from a variety of both religious and secular sources in close historical proximity to Jesus. Many of the basic facts and accounts are corroborated by multiple authors. I'm not as familiar with Mohammad, to be honest. But I'm not discussing religious aspects. I'm discussing whether or not the person in question existed. In the case of Jesus, there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that he did -- relatively speaking, of course. | |||
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He obviously got better, went to school, got a degree in Psychology, and started making perfect sense. Amazing how education destroys religiousity. Why don't you stop the ad hominum attacks and try attacking his ideas? Oh, you've never bothered to read his book? The Bible is good enough for you? Too bad. Look at it this way - until very recently (and how safe it is to come out of the closet as an atheist is today is debatable) you could be burned, tortured, jailed, or at very least ostracised and shunned for not being the most fervant religious drone possible. So it makes it pretty hard to guage the religiosity of smart people until the 1800s. Regards, Mg
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Regards, Mg
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FYI you're able to verify your eligiblity for foodstamps easily online, per state.
I invite anyone who considers themselves borderline low-income to check whether they fit the criteria. spoiler alert: if you don't have kids, you don't qualify. It's not as available and easy as it sounds. Before I started working after school, my mom had applied for them and was rejected. She nets approximately $20,000. Fortunately I'm able to help her out now, and I'm very thankful for that. | ||
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And again, you're evading the underlying point. Relative to other historical figures that we have widely accepted as having existed, there is a plethora of evidence that Jesus existed. For instance, there is far more of a case that Jesus existed than Homer. That is just one example of thousands. Why do you continue to ignore the general consensus of actual scholars on the subject? Is it really me that is biased? And I have no issue with the topics being discussed, and as a matter of fact, the topic we're discussing is wholly unrelated to the existence of any god. We are discussing whether Jesus was a historical or mythical figure. We're not getting into the validity of his supposed supernatural acts, or his divine nature. You see a bias that isn't there. I'm not a Christian. Whether Jesus existed or not is wholly immaterial to my life. I'm merely perturbed by how closed-minded and condescending atheists can be as it relates to subjects that are obviously beyond human understanding at the moment. You ask for proof or evidence to justify a belief in a god, then you dismiss mounds of evidence that support the historical existence of Jesus. The two matters are NOT related -- but because of your beliefs re: a god, you can't even budge on whether or not Jesus existed. There is no way to prove any god exists. There is no way to prove no god exists. The notion of a creator -- of life, of the universe, of essentially anything -- is, on its face, rational. That creator could be a god or an extraterrestrial. It could be personal and benevolent or a force that is not even sentient by our current understanding of the term. Or there could be no creator, no god, and the beginnings of the universe merely too complex to understand at present. All possible, all rational. Greeting any of those possibilities with hostility is irrational. | |||
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He was an unbearable zealot that tried to force his religion down other peoples' throats, then he grew disillusioned and became an unbearable zealot that tried to force his anti-religion down other peoples' throats. The common theme is that he's an unbearable zealot. He's not some enlightened genius leading the unwashed masses to rationality. He was once just as fervent for religion as he is now fervent against religion. Also, lulz at a degree in Psychology. A master's degree in experimental psych takes one year to complete. He completed a shitty master's program at a shitty state school. | |||
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Congratulations, sir. You have learned the hard lesson of researching backward to the primary sources of your references. You introduced Robert Price into this discussion, not me. If you check your other primary sources, every one of them uses a qualifier. The Wiki entry is misleading at best. Personally, I would call the phrasing disingenuous; it is not representative of the statements made by the experts it references.
I don't recall asking for any such things. You're projecting onto me a generic argument you've apparently had with one or more atheists in the past. I doubted the historicity of Buddha, Jesus, and Muhammad. You took issue with that. You've gone on several rants full of ad hominem cuts. Your posts on this topic are rife with insults and both formal and informal logical fallacies. It's not me that has a big issue here. I actually think religion is very beneficial. I think it minimizes a lot of behavior that would be disadvantageous to me and the people I care about. It also provides tremendous opportunities in social networking. I know the Bible well enough to quote from memory and many people in my personal life would swear to you that I am a devout Christian. I might even be able to orate Pascal's Wager with a straight face. Nah, I'm not that good of an actor. | ||
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Meanwhile, other bumfucks I knew (and partied with) never woke up and smelled the coffee. They have no real skills but with my help nailed down some Mr. Fixit computer jobs after 2 years of not being able to find one. One still boozes all his money away and will sit at about 40k a year until he decides to get serious and do something meaningful. The other? VMware certified and making as much as me -- no college degree, just tech certs. I don't need to pay for people who either can't get with the program or choose to take the "oh I can never improve my mess of a life, you don't know what it's like!" crowd. There's people who have sleepless hour jobs out there and they should only be pulling their own weight. Not to mention kids (and even parents sometimes) in the shittiest demographics work their asses off to ensure bullying of kids in school to keep their grades down so they can continue to complain/get hand outs and keep the bar down. | |||
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