Game Mechanics: Melee Dmg - Page 6

Nirgon · #51 06-17-2015, 11:50 AM

Did Nedrian have 255 str? Does the monk from LV? Do you realize how much uber droppable str people can west here without risk?

Most melees do here cuz of alt-flation shaman buffs being so available along with no item loot... I'd suspect without AAs most top monks and rogues would blow parses from the two you've posted out of the water.

Colgate · #52 06-17-2015, 01:40 PM

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Every single one of those things was vigorously defended by the "community" here. It's like that guy at work who has been passed over for promotion for the last decade but firmly believes he is smarter than anyone else because he is really good at sudoku.

Look at *every* single old screenshot that exists and you will see dw melees missing regularly and hitting for crap damage. Look at *every* single screenshot that gets posted on these forums and you will see a solid string of hits, usually within 30% of max damage.

http://www.lucid-vision.org/viewimage.php?imageid=368

^ Tstaff monk in Luclin gear with epic. ~20% of his hits did more than 100 damage. Of around 25 hits, the best attack was 143 damage. On this server, with Kunark gear, 80% of those hits would be for ~130-155.

Look at any of Nedrian's screens. Luclin geared ranger with epic, rarely hits for more than 30s and misses regularly dual wielding. Hits for around 130 max with a Luclin 2 hander.

If LV played on P99 60% of the players on that menu would be rogues or monks instead of no rogues and 1 monk.

Anyone know how I could get to the old Artful Death or Darkenbane screenshots?

post some prof? All you are posting is a random claim to have seen a screenshot somewhere.

As I said, if the Sullon Zek boards still existed you would see that monks, rogues, and mages, and bards were on the bottom as far as representation. The only melee you really had to fear on live was an SK. On this server a pretty meaningful percentage of the population considers PvP to be logging in and plugging out of KC/Seb endlessly waiting to get lucky and 1 shot someone, while the best PvP toon on the server was a bard(Tune).

this post is very out-of-touch with what actually goes on on this server

here are the 5 most recent screenshots i have of killing (mostly poorly) geared casters level 56+ on red99, with the exception of fefs who likely was in his lower 50s

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please post some actual evidence of what damage is like on this server before you make wild claims like, "80% of hits will be between 130-155 damage on casters here"

i run around with just over 170 strength unbuffed in resist gear, and a shaman str buff puts me at nearly 255

i have better gear than the monk in your screenshot and i'm fighting casters with worse gear than the caster in your screenshot and the amount of damage i'm doing is pretty similar

melee damage is fine here

the only thing that needs to be lowered is melee hit rate

oh, here's that screenshot in velious era of a rogue landing a single backstab hit of over 700 damage on a very well geared shadow knight:
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Cecily · #53 06-17-2015, 03:14 PM

FWIW 19 sec without disc, 57 rogue unbuffed 177 str vs cleric who gated on me earlier.

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compulsion · #54 06-17-2015, 09:00 PM

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Did Nedrian have 255 str? Does the monk from LV? Do you realize how much uber droppable str people can west here without risk?

Most melees do here cuz of alt-flation shaman buffs being so available along with no item loot... I'd suspect without AAs most top monks and rogues would blow parses from the two you've posted out of the water.

Those screens are actually from deep into Luclin or later when Velious quest armor was really easy to get and you could buy the best buffs in the game cheap in the Bazaar. You can see KEI in most of the caster screenshots on that site. Even assuming none of them went to legends for a few months to gear up or bought those toons off eBay, there is no way those characters would be undergeared compared to a Kunark expansion player.

re: Colgate - That damage is lower than I expected, I'll try do some more research into it as I get time.

It is actually really hard to find anything worthwhile from 12+ years ago, but obviously for anyone who did play back then and experienced pure melees as the least popular and least effective classes to come to this server and find that both are wildly over represented and incredibly effective when played by even clueless players.

Rexxin · #55 06-17-2015, 09:37 PM

I personally feel the dmg is close, my current issue is it seems the hit ratio is off depending on the class. Knights seem to have a terrible miss rate, while Rangers, bards, and all the pure melee seem to hit almost every round. I will put some screen shots together after I spend some more time with it

Any thoughts?

Smedy · #56 06-18-2015, 09:23 AM

yeah, 60 sk here can't hit anything, missing more then i hit on casters and oggok cleaver at 255 str hits for 27 50% of the time, it's terrible

Buhbuh · #57 06-18-2015, 05:54 PM

Hit rate seems drastically high on pure melee

Bashes from SKs land all the time, while their hits seem to be low/ infrequent

I do see rogues get nasty ass backstabs on toons with massive AC still, too. I think if anything needs tinkering, it's AC/ hit rate.

Rogues are definitely the flavor class right now - very easy to play, absurd DPS. I die on my VP geared Enchanter in under 5 seconds if I'm poisoned and get Duelisted. Casting gate is not an option most of the time. Could be classic, but doesn't seem like it.

Cecily · #58 06-20-2015, 03:53 AM

Looks like rogue / monk / ranger (bow) DPS might be a little lower than it should be.