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Originally Posted by Jarnauga
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If you see someone caught up in an road accident bleeding in his car, do you just drive away ..? I mean, there's a reasonable chance it's HIS fault, maybe he's high, maybe he's drunk, maybe he was texting.. why should i have to stop for him when i'm on my way to business meetings that will give work to a dozen family..?
You guys are advocating leaving people to drown in the mediterranean sea. I'm advocating to save them and examine their situation if they rightfully can be considered as a refugee fleeing persecution.
But who am i trying to convince ? People that think that poor people are just lazy losers. People that are applauding their buffoon that's pulling out of climate agreements because hey, it's not my problem if the seychelles are disappearing under the sea, it's their problem, they should just build dams and learn to swim. I guess they just lack the entrepreneurship of our superior culture, fucking primitives.
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I'm not anti-asylum or even anti-immigration, per-se, but I am anti-invasion.
There are lawful avenues for entering Western countries, and when these people elect to hop on a raft and enter a country illegally, they are
invading. If they view the legal avenues as inadequate or unfair, it's not their prerogative to disregard them. After all, those laws are the will of the people within that country, telling their government "I want this many immigrants". No European nation's populace ever chose to accept hundreds of thousands of immigrants until it was forced on them, as if you had dinner set out and a stranger walked in the door and sat down at a place. And you figured,
well, ok you can have some, it's too much trouble to call the cops and remove you and we have extra, he must be hungry anyway.
Immigrants have the capacity to improve whatever society they are going to. Living in California, some of my best friends have been first or second generation immigrants who were truly great people. One of my friends in college was even an undocumented vietnamese bananacrate-baby. Note that these people were my friends. They weren't living cordoned off in a parallel society, they went to my school, spoke my language, and associated with me. When done correctly, it's a great thing. When done incorrectly (ie, too many, or not vetted), you end up with Molenbeek or Salinas, places where an entire cloistered community has formed, separated from the wider society, and assimilation has stagnated.
Anyway that's the distinction I make. I have no problem with 30,000 or even 300,000 immigrants entering California, as long as it's lawful. I do have a problem with 3 million, illegally, which is what happened. (The figure is actually 2.3 million)
06-02-2017, 10:03 AM
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