Latest scientific consensus on intelligence, does it justify racism?

[naez]

this thread has confirmed racism is justified

[MakeYouMad]

Originally Posted by burkemi5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i'm not liberal. i just think OP is racist. also, i figured he wasn't going to listen to our arguments or misconstrue them into some political BS so i thought i'd let this thread die.

What argument?

All you did was post politically correct slogans backed with zero objective facts then tried to imply everyone that isn't a cultural Marxist is a bad person for some...unknown reason.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism

Where's the objective data to back up your Marxist point of views? All the data on the first page of this post says your claims of everyone being equal are completely invalid.

When you attempt to spam the word "racist" at people in a negative manner, it requires that all humans are equal. If they aren't, all of your Marxist propaganda falls apart.

[deakolt]

Originally Posted by Csihar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is your actual goal? To convince people that your point of view is correct and hope they resort to some form of action? Or is it more about finding peers?

[Naez 4.20]

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[MakeYouMad]

Originally Posted by Csihar

What is your actual goal? To convince people that your point of view is correct and hope they resort to some form of action? Or is it more about finding peers?

I feel it's a shame cultural Marxism remains strong when economic Marxism has been so thoroughly defeated. Someone who's not familiar with the origin of these ideas might think they are completely unrelated, or maybe cultural Marxism is normal, and this is the way life is supposed to be, but no, both of these are very new social engineering programs directly tied to each other. Both come from the same source, same time period.

Video: “The History of Political Correctness”

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...35369495797236

[Csihar]

You didn't answer my question. I'm not challenging you, by the way, it's just genuine curiosity.

Originally Posted by MakeYouMad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When you attempt to spam the word "racist" at people in a negative manner, it requires that all humans are equal. If they aren't, all of your Marxist propaganda falls apart.

Your use of the word 'equal' is a bit too liberal (see what I did there? Holy shit I'm good) and perhaps your use of the word 'racism' as well.

Oxford Advanded Learner's Dictionary:

1. the unfair treatment of people who belong to a different race
2. the belief that some races are better than others

If you're going by the first definition, no amount of science can justify such a thing. An example would be unprovoked mocking or other verbal attacks or even physical attacks based on another person's race. A "white boy" getting jumped by a group of black guys simply because he's white or vice versa wouldn't be justified. That is obviously a micro example, Turks vs. Kurdish people would be an example on a larger scale. This definition of racism isn't really something that can be ignored. It's also not something that can solely be blamed on collectivist philosophies.

You're going by the second definition. I have a lot of questions about the research and IQ tests are limited (3 points I'll make. 1: Each IQ test contains a portion based on knowledge. More knowledge does not equal greater intelligence. 2: You obviously can't overperform but you can underperform. There are multiple reasons why a person can underperform and each and every factor would need to be eliminated before gauging the IQ difference between individuals 3: Our understanding of intelligence is still far too limited. Regardless of the first 2 points of the article IQ tests are still flawed and limited. Our limited knowledge of intelligence and the limitations of IQ tests are often demonstrated when autistic people take the tests. Highly autistic people are not mentally retarded but their test scores will show they are. High-functioning autistic people can be highly intelligent and yet score low on the IQ tests. An autistic person graduating a difficult university course with honors is enough evidence of a high intelligence and no IQ test score should convince any psychologist otherwise) but I'll put that aside and just accept the research as valid.

When accepting these theories the statement "in general black people are less intelligent than white people" shouldn't be a problem, considering it would a fact. Concluding that any white people is more intelligent than any black person would still be an incorrect conclusion though. Getting into the second definition "the belief that some races are better than others", there are still things left to discuss. '...better than others' is an incomplete statement. No one is 'better than' or 'worse than' anyone else. Only the Abrahamic religions, for example, have such a universal measuring stick.You are better at something. The definition would need to be expanded to 'the belief that some races are better at intelligence (obviously an awkward statement, but you'll get my point) than others'. A white person being more intelligent than a black person only speaks to their level of intellectual equality, not equality in general. Equality in general refers to the rights people have. My IQ test scores put me above 97% of the population. That would certainly make me intellectually superior over 97% of all people but that does make me 'superior' in any other way? Am I entitled to more rights? Does that mean I use my intelligence in a productive way? Just fill in the endless other questions yourself.

Intelligence is only one of many factors that determine what a person is capable of and how they act. I definitely have socialist leanings (although I stress individuality over collectivism and, taking America as an example, dislike the liberals), with my beliefs based on the facts I find in human psychology, but I see your point. However, I disagree that intelligence is the major contributing factor. Source: my understanding of psychology. I also find your cultural marxist, zionist theories to be a disappointingly typical explanation. It's far too narrow. A lot of the problems with non-white Americans are more a case of the European colonization of the Americas coming back to bite the current Europeans living there in the ass, made worse by bad philosophies, good philosophies implemented poorly by illogical and overly emotional people, bad social policies etc. I don't feel like discussing anything beyond the mere surface so you don't really need to write a lengthy response as I probably won't reply (I will read it though).

[deakolt]

I'm wondering how the OP feels about environmental activism

[Naez 4.20]

I am a fan of living in the environment, but the species has already fucked up the Gulf, Ozone layer, and you can go on what else at this point just let it ride

[Akim]

option 3, fuck this fake science, iq levels measure intelligence as well as standardized tests do. and im fucking plat blonde blue eyes white, if anyone should be calling racist shots its me pure as a driven fuckin snow. lol but yeah quibble over differences when 99 percent of us probably have mixed blood.. yeeah that seems REAL intelligent to me.

[MakeYouMad]

Originally Posted by Akim [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

option 3, fuck this fake science

If it was fake, you wouldn't see study after study coming to the same conclusions:


Ecological correlations between IQ, skin color, temperature and GDP per capita

The researchers (Donald Templer and Hiroko Arikawa) computed the correlations between the predominant skin color in 129 nations, GDP per capita, high and low mean temperatures in the summer and winter, and skin color. The correlation between predominant skin color and population IQ was ? 0.92!

http://majorityrights.com/weblog/com...and_skin_color