Necromancers "are terrible in groups"

[B4EQWASCOOL]

Originally Posted by bum3 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wonder if it is the same coolaid that makes this influx of warriors who only want to low hp dmg deal. Was shocked to see that it was even a thing.

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[Nixtar]

Originally Posted by Teako [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See: Having to babysit the necromancer. See: Pseudo-enchanter with less CC and lower utility.

Aw shit, here I thought you were a reasonable player who were just stuck in a drama between another player. I won't even call you a minmaxer since you seem to be unable to grasp basic synergies beyond a rogue adds DPS.

I hope you at least know that a slow(cast by a shaman/enchanter) enables tanks survive longer because of less heals. This is because the mob attacks slower. Not because the tank is babysat by said class. It is an improvement to the group to not waste excess mana on heals.

Hope this info was helpful in your future adventuring. <3

[Aviann]

Sounds like the same type of person who avoids grouping with paladins. Is a sick sad world we live in.

[Neric]

Going back to the initial question: It doesn't matter!

Necros are indeed not impressive damage dealers in groups, because they are lacking burst damage, but you can still have a good group with them. The skill factor in EQ will balance everything out in the end. It's not really the classes that matter so much in EQ, it's the people.

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[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Neric [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Going back to the initial question: It doesn't matter!

Necros are indeed not impressive damage dealers in groups, because they are lacking burst damage, but you can still have a good group with them. The skill factor in EQ will balance everything out in the end. It's not really the classes that matter so much in EQ, it's the people.

http://web.archive.org/web/201612040...kass_group.jpg

Stop it with the misinformation!

Actually when it comes to burst damage necro s are better than mages, wizzies, druids, shammies and whoever else.

Because necro regains mana much faster and a rarely gets resists on their life taps. If there's undead to dd, all the better.

But even besides burst damage, necro a summoned pets do near as much or more than most melee.

So any idea of necros not having the ability to add damage is just flat out wrong.

[Teppler]

Necros also have tools such as FD and root to deal with unwanted aggro which makes them even better burst dealers.

Think of Mages who don't even get root let alone fd. Wizzies who don't get lich for super mana regen or fd to deal with mobs who kill you in a few seconds. It's a raw deal for these classes. Their few percentage points of efficiency on their actual nukes count for very little.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Teako [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some excerpts:

[Fri Mar 24 15:13:16 2017] Scarlete tells the group, 'NO NECRO [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]' (two days later referencing your LFG spam)
[Wed Mar 22 11:52:43 2017] Daegun says out of character, '55 necro lfg -- backstab pet + heals + twitches + cc + + charm + whatever' (you)
[Wed Mar 22 11:26:26 2017] Jocky tells the group, 'there is no way a necro pet does the same dps as you' - talking to our epic 55 rogue
[Wed Mar 22 11:25:29 2017] Jocky tells the group, 'he just told me, hes necro pet does 5dps less than you cactus' (you abusing random people in tells over not inviting your necro)
[Wed Mar 22 11:23:42 2017] Jocky tells the group, 'heh hes talking to me, trying to convince me how good necro are in groups'
[Wed Mar 22 11:19:30 2017] Jocky tells the group, 'not sure what he wanted to do wtih his necro, we needed a puller
[Wed Mar 22 11:18:51 2017] You tell your party, 'guy was clearly going to bail the second we made it clear we didn't want his necro he wanted to swap to. nbd, lots of pullers'
[Wed Mar 22 11:18:31 2017] Jocky tells the group, 'and his necros play no valid role in this group'
[Wed Mar 22 11:13:11 2017] Jocky tells the group, 'necro would be my last choice for dps in a group, not being an ass or anything'

There's a lot more, but you get the point. They very politely declined your necro, and you continued trying to ram it down their throat as if it was the best thing since the sun. You joined them with the intention of trying to make them carry your necro when another puller became available and they declined outright so you left.. then proceeded to cuss people out in /ooc over being "necro hating noobs"

Don't come to the forums like you're some glimmering white knight of necro-group-salvation.. you're an entitled child who cusses people out that don't want to group with him.

Well hello Promises.

[Wed Mar 22 16:14:15 2017] Zadane tells the group, 'decayed prisoner Mez'd'
[Wed Mar 22 16:14:20 2017] You tell your party, 'summoned - not even charm'
[Wed Mar 22 16:14:23 2017] Promises tells the group, 'let me be.. 100&PCT; frank then'
[Wed Mar 22 16:14:27 2017] Jocky tells the group, 'ill duel your necro pet'
[Wed Mar 22 16:14:29 2017] Promises tells the group, 'necros are a shit group class'
[Wed Mar 22 16:14:36 2017] Promises tells the group, 'and I would invite a 47 paladin over a 55 necro in kc'
[Wed Mar 22 16:14:46 2017] Jocky tells the group, 'necro needs to be in HS, solo'
[Wed Mar 22 16:14:59 2017] Promises tells the group, 'precisely. any necro lfg over 40 means they can't solo efficiently, or are too lazy to do so'
[Wed Mar 22 16:15:16 2017] You tell your party, 'later guys'
[Wed Mar 22 16:15:17 2017] Jocky tells the group, 'necro haters_101 lol'
[Wed Mar 22 16:15:25 2017] Promises tells the group, 'sorry your main sucks bro'
[Wed Mar 22 16:15:29 2017] Promises tells the group, 'learn to take off adamantite club in groups'
[Wed Mar 22 16:15:31 2017] Jocky tells the group, 'bah'
[Wed Mar 22 16:15:31 2017] You tell your party, 'my main is a 60 bard'
[Wed Mar 22 16:15:37 2017] You tell your party, 'my other main is a torpor shaman'
[Wed Mar 22 16:15:42 2017] Jocky tells the group, 'dont leave over it lol'
[Wed Mar 22 16:15:42 2017] Promises tells the group, 'not impressing anyone'
[Wed Mar 22 16:16:09 2017] Promises tells the group, '60 bard, necro, shaman, 2x monk, 2x rogue, druid, cleric, ench.. many of which are guised/firepots bound/etc.'
[Wed Mar 22 16:16:19 2017] Promises tells the group, 'don't gotta try to e-peen swing your 'leet parzez''
[Wed Mar 22 16:16:21 2017] You tell your party, 'and yet your 52 warrior twink won't put on aggro weapons'
[Wed Mar 22 16:16:30 2017] You tell your party, 'its fine man, be safe'
[Wed Mar 22 16:16:33 2017] Promises tells the group, 'why would I? holding agro off everyone except the moron who refuses to take off his stun proc'

Tells:

[Wed Mar 22 16:16:14 2017] Jocky tells you, 'dont think you should leave over it'
[Wed Mar 22 16:16:49 2017] You told Jocky, 'sorry - promises is a douche'
[Wed Mar 22 16:17:02 2017] Jocky tells you, 'i understand, not sure where all that come from !'
[Wed Mar 22 16:17:12 2017] Cactus tells you, 'so... Sorry about that. Didn't realize he was such a dick.'
[Wed Mar 22 16:17:13 2017] Promises tells you, 'also - 64.3 dps average over 1hr 27mins. You sat around 36.1 dps average over the same time frame. Why would I half my dps when our monk is bad and does low dps?'
[Wed Mar 22 16:17:43 2017] Promises tells you, 'only threat issue was the retard monk who doesn't know to take his adamantite club off lol'
[Wed Mar 22 16:17:43 2017] Cactus tells you, 'at any rate, thanks for the group, sorry it turned out like that. I appreciate you logging your monk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]'

There was one and only one reason I left that group: you, Promises. Not 5 minutes earlier you were complaining about the mage, mage pet, and the group's dps. I offered to play a class that would have contributed more dps, been able to help the low level enchanter manage the crowd control he was having a hard time with, and would have made sure Jocky wasn't perpetually low on mana from healing the rogue you refused to equip aggro weapons for and helping the low level enchanter manage crowd control with roots - all while doing more damage.

I wish i'd turned my logs on earlier but I didn't until I wanted to see just how awesome your dps weapons were helping you perform depsite Cactus asking you several times to put your dps weapon away. We also had an enchanter who was functionally too low of a level to mez anything efficiently or quickly. This conversation happened while we were sitting on our asses at hands with you at 60% health, me at 40% health - and not much cleric mana to heal with.

Combined: Skeletal watcher on 3/18/2017 in 1058sec
Monk: 50dps
Rogue: 55dps
Warrior: 42dps
Mage pet: 23dps

I logged off of my necromancer and switched characters because you needed a puller. As we struggled later, they (not you) very politely refused my offer to play necro. That was fine, but your little tirade in group chat in light of your exceptional performance wasn't really something I was ok with - which is why I left [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] .

By the way, I did appreciate how not 10 minutes later you were dead in the Overthere, the group wiped, and then never recovered with you sitting on your ass at the zone line until you logged off.

~Drama

[Jimjam]

A lot of Karnors OOC superstars showing up in this thread.

[Danth]

As a dedicated tank-class player, Monks who won't take off aggro-proc weapons annoy the tar out of me.

Got nothing against Necromancers. I'll invite 'em to groups if there's space and I don't need something specific. Granted that goes for pretty well any class. Had a Velketor's group the other day that was composed of myself (Shadow Knight), Paladin, Wizard, and Shaman....it was fine. You want to min/max experience rates, go solo or duo someplace. Groups are for taking it easy and having a nice time.

Danth

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A lot of Karnors OOC superstars showing up in this thread.

hehe