Bards - CHA and DEX

[Faerie]

Here's something (though there is no solid proof of anything):
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/c...00543975354570

[Kekephee]

I'd love to get some real and definitely applicable to this server, rather than live, numbers from anyone who has them. Cause if cha and dex don't affect mezzes or charms, I made the wrong move looting the blazing gaunts off ragefire and giving the guild back the gauntlets of fiery might I was using...

[Faerie]

http://thedruidsgrove.org/archive/eq/t-2189.html

Some good info on druid/necro charm, and bard lull.

[Faerie]

Anyone know URL of old eqdiva forums? I never posted there because TCH was a better source of information, but my searches are telling me that the info I want was also posted on eqdiva.

Maybe can wayback and find...

[Faerie]

http://web.archive.org/web/200210161...p?Article=4451

Is Charisma actually taken into account on mesmerizations and charms?

Yes it is. It varies on a number of spells to its actual usefulness but it does have a use. There are different levels of charisma for different classes. The system does take into account that an Enchanter should have a higher charisma than say a Necromancer. It’s unfair to expect masters of the undead to be entirely charismatic.

So here the EQ devs admit that cha works differently for different classes.

[Faerie]

Grr this is frustrating.

http://web.archive.org/web/200402032...h/default.aspx

^Search function doesn't work [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://web.archive.org/web/200402131...rdsofeverquest

^Doesn't work on the older eqdiva, either.

http://theconcerthall.yuku.com/reply...Charm-duration

^TCH post on increasing bard charm duration.

http://theconcerthall.yuku.com/topic...-begone?page=1

^Long thread on missed notes and related stats.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...light=charisma

^Older P99 thread that doesn't give much (any) in the way of hard data.

Yeah, this is lame. I still say CHA comes after STA and HP (and resists for pvp or raid bards) on the usefulness scale, and I believe that if CHA is impacting mez resist rate here it's not classic. Can't seem to find the relevant information proving this, though. I really hope someone else comes in with good data to set things straight 'cause this is seriously bugging me.

[Faerie]

Originally Posted by Kekephee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If anything, lately I've been questioning the usefulness of dex. I don't think I've had more than 3 or 4 missed notes in months and my dex has been steadily dropping as I've gotten more stupidly itemized planar gear that is mostly str and agi. I think instrument skill level (which is tantamount to level) has more to do with that than anything.

Lol btw I'm pretty sure instrument skill level means absolutely nothing. Like 1 point in each instrument skill is the same as 235 in each.

I posted a link to a loong thread on TCH about missed notes.

[Scikala]

Originally Posted by Faerie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol btw I'm pretty sure instrument skill level means absolutely nothing. Like 1 point in each instrument skill is the same as 235 in each.

I posted a link to a loong thread on TCH about missed notes.

If this is true I know way to many bards, myself included who AFK'd for hours on end to keep up anything we weren't using in kites. But from personal experience I dont believe it to be so. After kiting up to 46 and getting an invite to CoM, I missed notes about 15 times in a row on the mez because my wind skill wasn't leveled. Even when I did the AFK level on Invis song it took awhile to get it going.

Personally, as a class with no double attack and no real means of doing actual melee dmg...sort of in line with Faerie I go with HP/AC/Resist/Cha/Dex

I was always under the impression we got meh returns from Sta, so I never put it too high on my list.

[Kekephee]

Originally Posted by Scikala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If this is true I know way to many bards, myself included who AFK'd for hours on end to keep up anything we weren't using in kites. But from personal experience I dont believe it to be so. After kiting up to 46 and getting an invite to CoM, I missed notes about 15 times in a row on the mez because my wind skill wasn't leveled. Even when I did the AFK level on Invis song it took awhile to get it going.

Yeah. I'm hesitant to offer anecdotal evidence as solid proof of any game mechanics without numbers, but my experience was absolutely that when I would get new instrument skills (such as brass) higher-level songs using them would miss notes frequently, and as my skill leveled that frequency would go down. That's exactly how spell fizzles work, and I'd be absolutely amazed if this "instrument skill doesn't affect missed notes" theory turned out to be right. But, again, anecdotal evidence, no numbers, real possibility I'm talking out of my ass.

[Erica]

I seemed to miss notes way more often on wind type songs than I did on everything else, when my wind instrument skill was 150 less than the rest.