How Blood Guard does Lodi

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Droog007 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I'm pretty well done with the nerdrage, as I indicated last night.

But a calm has come over me and I'd like to elucidate one more argument that I think will illustrate better why I feel so fucked over here. This will also be a little tidbit for you people clamoring for logs...

[Sun Oct 08 05:22:36 2017] You begin casting Bedlam. (1)
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:39 2017] Targeted (NPC): Xeker (2)
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:39 2017] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:39 2017] Your eyes gleam with bedlam. (3)
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:39 2017] Targeted (NPC): Grizlin Bloodfang
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:39 2017] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:41 2017] You begin casting Tashanian. (4)
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:42 2017] Grizlin Bloodfang glances nervously about.
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:49 2017] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:52 2017] Your spell is interrupted. (5)
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:53 2017] You begin casting Allure. (6)
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:54 2017] Cashme begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:01 2017] Targeted (NPC): Lodizal
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:01 2017] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:03 2017] Grizluk says out of character, 'what's this now?' (7)
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:03 2017] Grizlin Bloodfang tells you, 'Attacking Lodizal Master.'
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:09 2017] Grizluk says out of character, 'some interfering/>'
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:12 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:18 2017] Targeted (NPC): Grizlin Bloodfang
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:18 2017] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:18 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:20 2017] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:21 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:24 2017] Grimmskld says out of character, 'KS'n also'
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:25 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:25 2017] You begin casting Speed of the Shissar.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:25 2017] Your Staff of the Serpent begins to glow.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:26 2017] Grizluk's casting is interrupted!
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:27 2017] Grimmskld says out of character, 'tsk tsk'
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:29 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:31 2017] Cashme says, 'i killing that need it '
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:31 2017] Grizlin Bloodfang's body pulses with the spirit of the Shissar.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:36 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:38 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:40 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:45 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:47 2017] Grizluk's casting is interrupted!
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:48 2017] Cashme says, 'i woz killing Grizlin Bloodfang'
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:48 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:55 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:58 2017] Grizluk's casting is interrupted!
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:59 2017] You say, 'you can get him afterwards'
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:01 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:02 2017] Targeted (NPC): Lodizal
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:02 2017] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:04 2017] Targeted (NPC): Xeker
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:04 2017] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:07 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:08 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:12 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:15 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:16 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:25 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:28 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:29 2017] Grizluk's casting is interrupted!
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:31 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:39 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:41 2017] Cashme says, 'U KS my MOB>>'
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:42 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:45 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:51 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:53 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:56 2017] Grizluk's casting is interrupted!
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:57 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:25:00 2017] You say, 'it's not dead'
[Sun Oct 08 05:25:03 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:25:08 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:25:10 2017] Grimmskld says out of character, 'enjoy it while it lasts, can't charm an engaged mob. It's a KS' (8)
[Sun Oct 08 05:25:18 2017] Cashme says, 'U KS my MOB>> Grizlin Bloodfang i woz killing '
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[Sun Oct 08 05:28:41 2017] Sirken tells you, 'GM Sirken here, you around?' (9)

1. So at this point, Lodizal is entirely debuffed and ready to be tanked.
2. ENC has run over to her spot for grabbing Grizlin and sees he's not up yet, but there are people hanging around his tent. (I think Xeker was Cashme's pet)
3. Grizlin has spawned sometime in the last 3 seconds
4. ENC still does not know what the people in Grizlin's tent plan to do. She told me afterwards that she thought they probably planned to pre-emptively charm it. She can't see melee animations from this distance, and any movement in the HP bar was not noticeable and/or she wasn't even looking at it. Why would she?
5. ENC had begun to cast Mesmerize, as that is typically how she gains control of a mob that she is planning to [re]charm. NOW she sees that people are trying to kill her intended pet, so she ducks.
6. Grizlin has taken visible damage now, but she has no reason to believe that they beat her to the punch, so she continues with her plan.
7. ENC alerts me by voice that someone was fucking with Grizlin while she was trying to charm it.
8. This is the first moment that ENC realizes what they were doing. She could not see that they started meleeing it until after tash landed and Grizlin closed some of the distance between them. It's only NOW that she realizes she did not have "FTE" on Grizlin (as crazy as it sounds to even need that)
9. Amazingly, 6 minutes after Tash landed, Sirken is in tells with her

The important thing to know here is that the ENC had no way of knowing who had "FTE" on Grizlin, since he obviously has no FTE shout (Why in the HELL would he need one?) It was only after the mob was already charmed that it began to dawn on her what the BG members' plan was - to tag Grizlin with melee and then petition her charm as a KS.

What are we supposed to do at that point?? Well, maybe if the Blood Guard members in attendance had only waited a few minutes, they could have explained TO US that they made a legal decision to cockblock Grizlin with a melee tag and they would petition us if we did not share loot.


And maybe..... juuuuust maybe... we would have.

But then again maybe not... I think I'd sooner destroy the loot myself and eat a suspension than negotiate with terrorists.

According to you, the chanter realized the gnoll was engaged at the point that she ducked her mes, and according to you, she knew what there intention was. And AFTER realizing they had engaged the mob, she charmed it. That is the definition of knowingly breaking the rules.

[Dreenk317]

You also state she ducked her spell, then noticed it had taken visible damage but had no reason to think she'd been beaten to the punch?!?! If mob is open and not engaged, why is it taking damage?!?! How did you become an officer in AG if you don't know basic server KS rules?

[Comoc1]

This is hilarious. RNF needed a good new thread.

[orangemang]

Wasn't going to post this but fuck it. To keep your anonymity since you had been kind enough to keep everyone involved anonymous until now, I had already redacted the names and quite frankly don't feel like going through and finding the convo again in the logs.

[Sun Oct 08 05:37:07 2017] Sirken says, '<Shaman>, its not against the rules for them to engage a mob. if you wanted the gnoll you should have charmed it before it was attacked'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:28 2017] <Enchanter> says, 'wasn't possible. They attacked as soon as it respawned'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:36 2017] <Shaman> says, 'OK.... but they didn't come here for Grizlin - they came here for Lodi'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:47 2017] Sirken says, 'OK but they engaged Griz before you did'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:53 2017] Sirken says, 'which means its theirs'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:57 2017] Sirken says, 'which means you dont touch it'
[Sun Oct 08 05:38:09 2017] <Enchanter> says, 'I understand'
[Sun Oct 08 05:38:27 2017] You say, 'As mentioned, it was the only legal course we had to get a chance at lodi.'
[Sun Oct 08 05:38:31 2017] Sirken says, 'and <Shaman>, do you also understand?'
[Sun Oct 08 05:38:39 2017] <Shaman> says, 'Yes, I guess I do'

Douche move on my part? Okay, I'll admit to how you and others can view it that way but don't get your feelings so hurt because it was still a smart one. The correct move for you would have been to drop Griz or not charm him at all. Adapt and get the lodi kill. I didn't expect when we decided to make this play that you would actually charm ks him anyway therefore having to petition wasn't what I wanted to do and wasn't part of our strategy.

I was not however going to allow you to steal Griz from us to use him anyway. We don't have to tell you the truth about what we planned to do with Griz and obviously you realized what was happening anyway. In fact telling you totally negates the point of it being a strategy to get lodi. She admits openly to the GM it wasn't possible for her to tag Griz as we were on him the moment he respawned.

The fact that you keep calling us terrorists is fucking hilarious. Still working to get the salt out apparently. I hate that you feel so personally attacked over this as that wasn't my intention and didn't realize your feelings could be hurt so easily.

If I had waited and you got the kill and petitioned, what do you think would happen? Temp ban is possible but we had a player perma banned for a similar situation. When Sirken responded immediately the first thing in my mind was "Oh fuck, I really hope i'm not about to get these two banned". You can believe that or not. I don't really care.

[orangemang]

Also, holy shit, your an AG officer? And you came to RNF because you got butthurt because I dicked you over good legally? That's pretty sad man.

[jakerees]

Originally Posted by orangemang [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wasn't going to post this but fuck it. To keep your anonymity since you had been kind enough to keep everyone involved anonymous until now, I had already redacted the names and quite frankly don't feel like going through and finding the convo again in the logs.

[Sun Oct 08 05:37:07 2017] Sirken says, '<Shaman>, its not against the rules for them to engage a mob. if you wanted the gnoll you should have charmed it before it was attacked'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:28 2017] <Enchanter> says, 'wasn't possible. They attacked as soon as it respawned'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:36 2017] <Shaman> says, 'OK.... but they didn't come here for Grizlin - they came here for Lodi'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:47 2017] Sirken says, 'OK but they engaged Griz before you did'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:53 2017] Sirken says, 'which means its theirs'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:57 2017] Sirken says, 'which means you dont touch it'
[Sun Oct 08 05:38:09 2017] <Enchanter> says, 'I understand'
[Sun Oct 08 05:38:27 2017] You say, 'As mentioned, it was the only legal course we had to get a chance at lodi.'
[Sun Oct 08 05:38:31 2017] Sirken says, 'and <Shaman>, do you also understand?'
[Sun Oct 08 05:38:39 2017] <Shaman> says, 'Yes, I guess I do'

Douche move on my part? Okay, I'll admit to how you and others can view it that way but don't get your feelings so hurt because it was still a smart one. The correct move for you would have been to drop Griz or not charm him at all. Adapt and get the lodi kill. I didn't expect when we decided to make this play that you would actually charm ks him anyway therefore having to petition wasn't what I wanted to do and wasn't part of our strategy.

I was not however going to allow you to steal Griz from us to use him anyway. We don't have to tell you the truth about what we planned to do with Griz and obviously you realized what was happening anyway. In fact telling you totally negates the point of it being a strategy to get lodi. She admits openly to the GM it wasn't possible for her to tag Griz as we were on him the moment he respawned.

The fact that you keep calling us terrorists is fucking hilarious. Still working to get the salt out apparently. I hate that you feel so personally attacked over this as that wasn't my intention and didn't realize your feelings could be hurt so easily.

If I had waited and you got the kill and petitioned, what do you think would happen? Temp ban is possible but we had a player perma banned for a similar situation. When Sirken responded immediately the first thing in my mind was "Oh fuck, I really hope i'm not about to get these two banned". You can believe that or not. I don't really care.

LOL. Nah, you were hoping to get them banned.

[JboxCSU]

jfc you nerds need to go outside.

[LiQuid]

I went outside to try and appease my insatiable hunger for turtle murder but as soon as I poked it with my spear some idiot came and took him away from me. I tried to petition but didn't get a response from any omnipresent judges to rule over my petty dispute. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[jakerees]

Originally Posted by LiQuid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I went outside to try and appease my insatiable hunger for turtle murder but as soon as I poked it with my spear some idiot came and took him away from me. I tried to petition but didn't get a response from any omnipresent judges to rule over my petty dispute. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you also try to charm a dog man to help you with this turtle murder?

[skarlorn]

i'd like to point out that this dreenk317 FAY GATE has done the pathetic "i'm washing my hands of this now" and then literally come back posting walls of nerd rage text.

Good stuff bro!