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Old 10-09-2011, 02:26 AM
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You can't effectively fight grief with grief imo.
Dumb assessment.

You fight fire with fire, because fire cannot spread to an already burned forest

You fight violence with violence, either by your own hand or the state because it's an effective punishment tool

So why would fighting griefers by griefing them be any different? It's an effective punishment tool and stops them from their behavior because you nullify their ability to grief.
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Old 10-09-2011, 02:48 AM
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Dumb assessment.

You fight fire with fire, because fire cannot spread to an already burned forest

You fight violence with violence, either by your own hand or the state because it's an effective punishment tool

So why would fighting griefers by griefing them be any different? It's an effective punishment tool and stops them from their behavior because you nullify their ability to grief.
Because then you're the griefer.
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Old 10-09-2011, 08:19 AM
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That's like saying Judges that sentence murderers to death are themselves murderers.
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Old 10-09-2011, 10:32 AM
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I usually agree with Softcore_PK but I totally disagree that griefing shouldn't be used as a response to griefing, mostly because I play a Bard, which means it's not easy for me to kill people, but extremely easy for me to piss off and annoy people. I think that griefing as a method of punishment for griefing is appropriate since it's more likely to make them regret their immature behaviour. It's also the best deterrent to griefing - if you vow to corpse camp someone until they detag themselves from Fish Bait you can bet that they'll think twice about attacking some poor defenseless noob on a corpse run ever again.
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Old 10-09-2011, 11:59 AM
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That's like saying Judges that sentence murderers to death are themselves murderers.
Now I'm probably getting a little too political for EQ guild discussion, but I don't believe it's ever right for any person to decide when another is to die.

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I usually agree with Softcore_PK but I totally disagree that griefing shouldn't be used as a response to griefing, mostly because I play a Bard, which means it's not easy for me to kill people, but extremely easy for me to piss off and annoy people. I think that griefing as a method of punishment for griefing is appropriate since it's more likely to make them regret their immature behaviour. It's also the best deterrent to griefing - if you vow to corpse camp someone until they detag themselves from Fish Bait you can bet that they'll think twice about attacking some poor defenseless noob on a corpse run ever again.
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And again I didn't explain myself well enough. I come from VZ, which always seemed to be the pvp playerbase that policed themselves the best. Most everyone would lns, trains were a scarcity and when things did get too heated between guilds.. they corpse camped. I never corpse camped, as I never felt so wronged as to justify it to myself, but I was ok with it happening. On VZ it seemed, the word grief more than anything meant to train, or intentionally cause exp loss. To a lesser degree it meant bind rushing and CCing (except in extreme cases where guilds are trying to ensure corpses rot).

I would never bind rush (though dying to a train is not a pvp death so does not count), hack, bindpoint camp, intentionally train or intentionally cause pve exp loss in any way. However, if a guild is known for bindrushing there is a good chance I will preemptively CC so they don't get the upper hand on me. And if they did train or any of those other things, I may decide to CC them for that too.

Corpse camping, to me, is the one shady tool us white knights should be allowed to utilize. On live at some later point (after luclin), I think EQ devs made this decision as well. And it's one I agree with, so long as no one is CCed out of their items.
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Old 10-21-2011, 10:34 PM
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Old 10-22-2011, 02:38 AM
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Old 10-25-2011, 02:18 AM
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I love being anti-pk! Do you allow cross-dressing ogres? I see no reason to play an inferior race of shaman, and ogre balls slow me down. They're so big! Think of running around with two gnomes in your pants. It's like that only not as hot.
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Old 10-25-2011, 04:02 AM
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Still #1 guild

Grindcore defeats Fish Bait in the race to Nagafen
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Old 10-25-2011, 04:32 PM
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Abacab ftw. I want to join if Grindcore is still recruiting
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