stop bringing up the founding fathers in gun arguments

[EvilMallet]

founding fathers were profiteers who wanted to break off from the british to avoid taxes, and they lived in an era where owning a gun was your only method of protecting yourself and getting food.

Those men supported your right to bear arms because it meant you were very likely to kill some redcoats.

[Hasbinlulz]

Fuck all that, what does The Bible say?

[Hailto]

Originally Posted by Hasbinlulz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fuck all that, what does The Bible say?

I thought you were leaving?

[Hitchens]

The Founding Fathers were a monolithic group of Agrarian Holy Men who should be worshiped as saints. Their supernatural abilities as God-Men allowed them to understand the complexities of an urban society.

[philbertpk]

You must be reading some lib-tard BS man.

True, the founding fathers were land owning-slave owning white guys who re-wrote John Locke's Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Land to Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness because they obviously wanted to keep the class structure intact which would be viewed as oligarchical today.

But ill be dammed if they didn't write the ability for the people to revolt if ever needed into the Constitution. The right to bare arms is based on the thought that a well armed populace was the best way to deter the government from stepping on the rights on citizens not so that as many people as possible could keep guns to kill redcoats. You under informed Marxist. Go back to commy land Pinky.

Im not saying we should hold those men up on a pedestal and call them Gods, but damn. Im a damn moderate but I Know better than this BS your spewing. Go get an education.

[Hitchens]

Hook, line and sinker.

[patriot1776]

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason, Co-author of the Second Amendment during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

[EvilMallet]

Originally Posted by Hitchens [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hook, line and sinker.

[EvilMallet]

Originally Posted by philbertpk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But ill be dammed if they didn't write the ability for the people to revolt if ever needed into the Constitution. The right to bare arms is based on the thought that a well armed populace was the best way to deter the government from stepping on the rights on citizens not so that as many people as possible could keep guns to kill redcoats. You under informed Marxist. Go back to commy land Pinky.

You fucking retard.

The people at large wanted to revolt because they didn't want to pay taxes for a war that had no part of (The Seven Years War, maybe you've heard of it?). They wanted people to have guns to increase the power of their militias, because that pretty much was the only military force we had. We don't have a militia now. We have military. You don't need guns , unless you plan on fighting our own soldiers, in which case:

Originally Posted by philbertpk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Go back to commie land Pinky

[patriot1776]

"A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home."
- James Madison