Clinton or Bernie?

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think people like you just want to extract as much value as you can from society, while giving as little as possible back.

Fwiw this is rational behavior provided it does not jeopardize the source of said value.

For better or worse man is an irrational creature want to embrace the lofty promises of idealism in the cold face of reason. The lies just manifest in different forms to one individual than another.

A mind divorced of reason suffers blindly the light of truth, lamenting the phantoms of madness shadowed in the specter of estranged reality.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fwiw this is rational behavior provided it does not jeopardize the source of said value.

It necessarily jeopardizes the source of value, though. Cooperation and building a strong social contract with collective responsibility are rational endeavors; it's what makes advanced civilization possible. It's precisely the lack of strict, widespread "rational self-interest" that makes life bearable.

That's why I find it so ironic when Reagan conservatives love calling other people "takers". Their Ayn Rand ideology is literally parasitic.

[Ikabod]

Yeah it's terrifying that someone that produces more than he uses would procreate. His children might grow up sharing his genetics and values, and also be productive members of society. Sounds aweful. Fucking hillbillies right?

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Ikabod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah it's terrifying that someone that produces more than he uses would procreate. His children might grow up sharing his genetics and values, and also be productive members of society. Sounds aweful. Fucking hillbillies right?

It's really that simple for you isn't it?

All the benefits of government and civilization are being taken from people who do work, and being given to those who don't?

Like reforming our corrupt shit-ass healthcare system and cutting out the insurance middle-man so that it's affordable for employers and employees alike doesn't help everyone?

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In a capitalist system, those who control the capital hold all the power, both political and economic. It's not evil to try and negate the stranglehold they have over everything for the benefit of the middle class. The only reason your life is bearable right now and you're not living like a Chinaman is because sometime last century some socialists decided to unionize and win things like a 40 hour work week, paid vacation and sick leave, living wage, health and safety regulations, pensions, employer funded healthcare, etc

gonna post this on facebook and it gonna go viral.

Except im going to change chinaman to something less 1914 sounding

[Lune]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

gonna post this on facebook and it gonna go viral.

Except im going to change chinaman to something less 1914 sounding

Yea Chinaman is definitely not the preferred nomenclature

[Ikabod]

I said genetics so I'm an idiot? You do know how babies are made right?

[Lune]

Originally Posted by PhilMcKracken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason Hillary has the majority vote right now is because of women. There are so many women out there right now who want to try and put a women in the White House just because it asserts a change for women's social status. Other than that, her policies are shit, she's under fire with the whole email situation and basically a puppet. Most of Bernie's ideas are good but our national debt is already high enough and is more concerning than the social system. Trump's ideas are shit as well but he will be kept in par by all the checks and balances. I just like the idea of a businessman versus a politician running the country.

Businessmen already run the country, Bernie is the only one who wants to change that.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It necessarily jeopardizes the source of value, though.

If we are to assume that total 'value' is some quantifiable static value then sure. Is it though?

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cooperation and building a strong social contract with collective responsibility are rational endeavors; it's what makes advanced civilization possible.

Of course they are because cooperation involves working towards a shared interest. If your interests align with someone else's then cooperating makes perfect sense. When would cooperation be rational if it left you worse off?

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's precisely the lack of widespread "rational self-interest" that makes life bearable.

That's why I find it so ironic when Reagan conservatives love calling other people "takers". Their Ayn Rand ideology is literally parasitic.

Well that is not me and my thoughts are my own no matter how repugnant they may be. They didn't come from Ayn Rand. They were delivered to me unsolicited by the callous hand of reason.

I am not so much interested in whether things are right or wrong, but what is rational, what is reasonable, what is logical. Everyone likes to abuse reason in support of their ideals and we end up with piles of data on each side that the other side scoffs at.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Ikabod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I said genetics so I'm an idiot? You do know how babies are made right?

The idea that genetics drives success or behavior is racist because certain genetic populations suffer disproportionately from poor outcomes.

Aside from that it's just absurd, it's been well established families almost never share common personality/behavioral traits and those few that they do are exclusively the result of environmental influences.

Just keep your racist conjectures back in 1930 before people recognized them as such.