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[Rainflush]

Originally Posted by Dirtnap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am surprised at all the hate. Maybe if some of you guys stopped hating on rangers so much, i might not be wishing for boxing allowed on this server.

I think boxing any more than two characters is retarded, as it removes the social aspect of the game.

There isn't any issue of people boxing all the content by themselves by only allowing two characters at a time. As well as not allowing people to camp more than one thing at a time.

Lastly, the community here is just so great. I mean look at the warm posts in this thread. I really wish i could find more of these nice people everyone talks about on the forums to new players. Or is that just a lie everyone tells to get new blood?

I mainly just wanted an excuse to use my TTBotLoAT epithet...

[Dirtnap]

Boxing doesn't have to be a bad thing though. If the number of boxes is limited to two characters logged in at once, then that is still 3 players per full group. If some of the members aren't boxing, then you could have 5 players in a group.

I would always welcome other players into my group.

[mala]

I played Shards of Dalaya (a different EQEmu) for about a year before finding p99. The rule there is you can 2box but cant 3box. At the high end, not too many people boxed anyway so it didnt really matter, but just as people here have described, it completely rapes the low to mid game. Any zone where people would goto level was deserted aside from a few duo's boxing. While that may be fine and dandy for the people boxing, it also presented the problem that the high end was absolutely full of Tanks and healers, but no dps. The reason? Everyone boxed a cleric/druid/shmmy and a warrior/SK/pally, just due to the simple fact that leveling a DPS took 4x as long. It really just presented more problems than it helped address, and as a side effect depleted the population.

and regardless, i dont think anyone remembers their classic experience as abunch of horridly played duo's sprawled across norath.

[Robben]

There's a reason for not allowing 2/3/4-boxing on P1999.

Let's keep it that way.

[sellawiz]

This whole entire premise of this post makes no sense.

Firstly - Your train of thought is totally unclear, and wrong.
Second - You want them to ban people for cheating, then change the rules about cheating so you would be allowed to cheat?

You really are dumb.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Roanoke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Boxing removes the social aspect from the game. Have you ever played on EZ server? No one groups for the most part. You're expected to roll around with your own small army and in most cases that works just fine. The reason EQ has so many nostalgic memories for me is because you're forced to interact with people to succeed.

And you'll just argue "then don't box," but that doesn't change how it affects everything in the game. For example: raids can be accomplished with half as many people who are all dual-boxing (and this is assuming they would only allow two accounts per person). This means guilds who already control the majority of raid encounters have even more power to be spread out and ready for anything that pops. They essentially double their raid force in a matter of months.

And that's just one instance of why boxing is a bad idea.

Never played on EZ server, but the social aspect? What about people who PL toons to sell them, they tell you to GTFO too when you want to group with them quite often. What kind of social aspect is it when characters are transferred among different people? When MageX is not the MageX you knew a week ago and grouped with, who happens to now be some guy who bought it on ECT.

Forced interaction, lol thats rich. Try to be LFG as a non desired class, players here on P99 are very level / grind oriented, unlike Original EQ was. Players only invite min/max to their groups the majority of the time. Rangers, and Druids can F off many times (plenty of other classes included).

I agree that box armies are bad, but the ability to make a group not fall apart when you can load up say a Tank box, whereas you would've had to call it quits without one, would be nice.

The grind / leveling mentality is the problem, not the hypothetical boxing. If people would get over themselves and group with people for the so called "Social Aspect" of the game, and suck up the 20% exp deficit, then it'd be much better off.

[Dirtnap]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never played on EZ server, but the social aspect? What about people who PL toons to sell them, they tell you to GTFO too when you want to group with them quite often. What kind of social aspect is it when characters are transferred among different people? When MageX is not the MageX you knew a week ago and grouped with, who happens to now be some guy who bought it on ECT.

Forced interaction, lol thats rich. Try to be LFG as a non desired class, players here on P99 are very level / grind oriented, unlike Original EQ was. Players only invite min/max to their groups the majority of the time. Rangers, and Druids can F off many times (plenty of other classes included).

I agree that box armies are bad, but the ability to make a group not fall apart when you can load up say a Tank box, whereas you would've had to call it quits without one, would be nice.

The grind / leveling mentality is the problem, not the hypothetical boxing. If people would get over themselves and group with people for the so called "Social Aspect" of the game, and suck up the 20% exp deficit, then it'd be much better off.

This is exactly my point. Us rangers get shafted because of our exp penalty. Not because we aren't good people.

Originally Posted by sellawiz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This whole entire premise of this post makes no sense.

Firstly - Your train of thought is totally unclear, and wrong.
Second - You want them to ban people for cheating, then change the rules about cheating so you would be allowed to cheat?

You really are dumb.

Firstly, I don't understand what was so unclear about my original post.
Second, I want them to ban people for using third party programs, and change the rules about boxing so groups are easier to obtain. I do not want to cheat, i never said i wanted to cheat.

With the mindset of all the players here being anti-boxing, and all about the socializing (Which they spout but don't actually follow.) allowing a second box wouldn't be the overkill everyone thinks it is. Or maybe they just all know, that if boxing were to be allowed, they wouldn't ever talk to anyone again and just box by themselves somewhere.

[sellawiz]

Originally Posted by Dirtnap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is exactly my point. Us rangers get shafted because of our exp penalty. Not because we aren't good people.

Rangers are a poorly implemented class, so are Wizards.

[Humerox]

2-boxing was only a valid argument at the very beginning, (not correct, just had some validity) when everyone thought the server would see no more than 150 or so.

arguing for 2-boxing on a server with ~20k accounts...well...and I still see "I'm new!" posts almost daily.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2-boxing was only a valid argument at the very beginning, (not correct, just had some validity) when everyone thought the server would see no more than 150 or so.

arguing for 2-boxing on a server with ~20k accounts...well...and I still see "I'm new!" posts almost daily.

Problem now is, the population isn't large enough to support groups in most zones of EQ with Vanilla + Kunark.

Leaving plenty of zones vacated / nearly empty. Unrest sees mabye 6-8 players of level. Mistmoore about the same. And those zones can sustain around 3-4 groups of varrying levels.

If 2-box were implemented, those zones would do fine.

Zones like Sebilis, Karnors and Charasis would be the ones that would see the most detriment, if at all. 3 2-boxers holding down mycnoid spore king or crypt. But already it seems like those aren't camps that a PuG can get into, they are guild groups so that point is moot (If this statement is incorrect, correct me but that's what I've gathered from OoC). So the "destroys the PuG or social interaction" argument falls apart.

Friendships have already been made, guilds / alliances formed... this is CliqueQuest not PuGQuest, and most of the arguments against it, are that it destroys the PuG game. PuGing really isn't that friendly to begin with here. Sure on occassion I'll get a group in Crushbone or in Unrest on my alts, but more often than not those zones only have enough players to support 1 or mabye 2 groups, and if those groups are out of your level range / full you are so out of luck.