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[AzzarTheGod]

Im going in, im going in

and imma go hard, and imma go hard


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rea/101885396/

supplemental dunks:

MAD DOG MATTIS turned loose on ISIS, weapons-free status has been granted, and Washington has been removed from the rules of engagement.

No more phone calls to Washington to ask for permission.

Pentagon chiefs are now in charge of the theater of war in Syria without Washington's approval. No more bureaucracy.

Could be huge for Assad/Russia/Turkey relations with regard to longterm stability and peace in the region.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rea/101885396/


Thoughts? Fuck your marijuana nationstate link tbh

[Baler]

Do you sell rocks? If no, Did you use to?
seems like you're one of those 400+ lb guys who use to be a baseball bat wielding rock dealer. Pistol in the drawer but never used it.

[Pokesan]

hit baler with a rock pls

no, literally

[Xaanka]

Russian embassy implicates Democrats in murder of DNC leaker Seth Rich, who was murdered after exchanging 44,000 emails with wikileaks, days after Seth is named the DNC leaker by fox news.
Looks like there's a lot more evidence behind the Seth Rich murder than this Russia conspiracy theory.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...lled-seth-rich

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

oh so stricter regulation for plumbers and who they hire. Liberatarianism screws the little guy, again.

hey nice circular baby logic, but the point is that USA citizens are subjected to significantly stricter legal guidelines such as actually having to pay for liability and death insurance etc.

the problem isn't "we need more regulations" it's "our own citizens can not compete on a level playing field due to government regulations"

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's the thing: it never actually required small business to cover people.

uh yeah actually the cutoff mark where you're forced to pay employee insurance under obamacare is well within "small business" territory and obamacare directly creates barriers for small businesses expanding, which is why none of them do anymore.

It's not fucking working and it's complete due to the reactionary political line of the Republican coalition.

I hear this excuse a lot, from stupid people. I live in and have owned small businesses in the most liberal state in the country, where Obamacare was completely untouched by the republicans and implemented as it was "meant to be"
It's still broken and you can't blame the republicans for the northwest.

But that doesn't make half the shit Republicans say about Obamacare true.

[citation needed]

This "Communist on a 19 yr old elf sim", believes small business shouldn't have to pay for fucking health insurance. Because that's not their responsibility. We should give people access to one national non-profit or government ran health insurance. They cover catastrophe and give a set amount toward regular healthcare. They then go to the private market and find Drs, that will do it for the government insurance rate -- or the client can pay a little extra of the DR feels like they can charge more (because of their skill/quality of office etc.). Cut way down on bureaucracy. Get rid of the middle man inflating health insurance costs, America overall would spend way less.

cool, you did not describe Obamacare in that paragraph though.

Your fucking team wants to continue with the charade of government-managed private health insurance. Big middlemen, big bureaucracy dealing with all the claims and health codes.They are absolutely committed (like most Democrats) to preserving the blood sucking private insurance elite. They are parasite gentry using their money and influence to get between your Grandma and her medication. It needs to be eliminated and only socialists have the balls to do it.

maybe some people just aren't too keen on putting their health in the hands of the government? i never have once said the republicans have a less shitty answer (nice 2 party counter signal strawman dog) but the previous system of "nothing" was pretty undeniably.. better. especially for families and business owners.

[AenorVZ]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...a=twitter_page

Trump’s repeated media missteps have frustrated even longtime supporters. “Every day he looks more and more like a complete moron,” said one senior administration official who also worked on Trump’s campaign.

Asked whether an administration staff change-up would ameliorate this latest crisis, a Republican source formerly involved with a pro-Trump political group told The Daily Beast, “yes, if it comes with a frontal lobotomy for Trump.”

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The New York Times reported that Trump told Russian officials that James Comey, the FBI director he abruptly fired last week, is a "nut job," and that dismissing him meant the pressure of the FBI's Russia probe has been "taken off."

The New York Times reported that Trump told Russian officials that James Comey, the FBI director he abruptly fired last week, is a "nut job," and that dismissing him meant the pressure of the FBI's Russia probe has been "taken off."

The New York Times reported that Trump told Russian officials that James Comey, the FBI director he abruptly fired last week, is a "nut job," and that dismissing him meant the pressure of the FBI's Russia probe has been "taken off."

The New York Times reported that Trump told Russian officials that James Comey, the FBI director he abruptly fired last week, is a "nut job," and that dismissing him meant the pressure of the FBI's Russia probe has been "taken off."

The New York Times reported that Trump told Russian officials that James Comey, the FBI director he abruptly fired last week, is a "nut job," and that dismissing him meant the pressure of the FBI's Russia probe has been "taken off."

LMAO additional dunks https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...mey/101886486/

lol nice article about an article if you go to the original report it's an unconfirmed report based on unconfirmed notes read to The New York Times over the phone by, and I'm using their own words here, "an American"

still based if true. not sure why new york times would fabricate a pro-trump story but hey here we are.

what a joke the new york times has become. but who expects integrity from the same people who covered up the Jimmy Saville situation back when they were at BBC? top kek.

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by AenorVZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...a=twitter_page

Trump’s repeated media missteps have frustrated even longtime supporters. “Every day he looks more and more like a complete moron,” said one senior administration official who also worked on Trump’s campaign.

Asked whether an administration staff change-up would ameliorate this latest crisis, a Republican source formerly involved with a pro-Trump political group told The Daily Beast, “yes, if it comes with a frontal lobotomy for Trump.”

lol some nevertrumpers don't like trump thanks for the insightful story from a news "source" that literally employed chelsea clinton during the election cycle.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Russian embassy implicates Democrats in murder of DNC leaker Seth Rich, who was murdered after exchanging 44,000 emails with wikileaks, days after Seth is named the DNC leaker by fox news.
Looks like there's a lot more evidence behind the Seth Rich murder than this Russia conspiracy theory.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...lled-seth-rich



hey nice circular baby logic, but the point is that USA citizens are subjected to significantly stricter legal guidelines such as actually having to pay for liability and death insurance etc.

the problem isn't "we need more regulations" it's "our own citizens can not compete on a level playing field due to government regulations"



uh yeah actually the cutoff mark where you're forced to pay employee insurance under obamacare is well within "small business" territory and obamacare directly creates barriers for small businesses expanding, which is why none of them do anymore.



I hear this excuse a lot, from stupid people. I live in and have owned small businesses in the most liberal state in the country, where Obamacare was completely untouched by the republicans and implemented as it was "meant to be"
It's still broken and you can't blame the republicans for the northwest.



[citation needed]




cool, you did not describe Obamacare in that paragraph though.



maybe some people just aren't too keen on putting their health in the hands of the government? i never have once said the republicans have a less shitty answer (nice 2 party counter signal strawman dog) but the previous system of "nothing" was pretty undeniably.. better. especially for families and business owners.

You are in the small ignorant minority if you think "nothing" was better. Yea it's great when people with cancer can't get healthcare. But again, your game. Obama vs capitalism. You probably don't even realize I'm further away from Obama ideologically than most Republicans. I don't believe everything is working great and needs a few tweaks. That's D.C. Democrats. It's not Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and those are the more tame among the rising left.

On one hand you talk about what shitshow private insurance is (Obamacare), and on the other you have deluded idea just getting rid of the subsidies that do exist will magically make insurance affordable.

If you want to get rid of Obamacare -- I wouldn't vote Republican. I don't even see how anyone can keep straight face when pretended Republicans have ideas on healthcare at this point. It's not Democrats that will save Obamacare, its Republicans. It's what they want, regulated for profit insurance that the government subsidies. We are literally handing over billions (probably trillions now or soon) to useless for-profit insurance middlemen.

Again, you seem to think (probably due to your dualistic understanding of reality) that I don't think Republicans can help with healthcare that means I'm an ardent Obamacare supporter. I'm just looking at the best way to go from here -- and Republicans have nothing to do with it. They are completely unhelpful in addressing the problem because of their dogmatic Lockean ideological views.

Edit: look, I get it, government-ran businesses generally suck. But when it comes to stuff like taxes and insurance -- the government works fine at these kinds of tasks. Insurance isn't difficult -- it just takes a lot of capital and risk. It would be worth arguing this point more if there wasn't already plenty of evidence in other countries like Germany (private healthcare, public health insurance).

[Lune]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

useless for-profit insurance middlemen.

yea baby cakes that's how it do

Doesn't take a for-profit competitive enterprise to read an actuarial spreadsheet and set the rate

[mickmoranis]

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