Red99 Will Fail - Terrible Idea

[Alex]

I'll be going red, as i played on Talon Zek during live. It's been freakin ages though and i can barely remember what being red was like.

Besides my concern of turning into a jerk, my main concern is population and resources as well. I just hope this server doesn't spread the GM's resources or player pop too thin.

[Jify]

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[Arillious]

There's a TON of people out there that have been waiting for a stable pvp environment pre-luclin for a long time. For many players, this was the best pvp era. These people have tried the 10 or so pvp emu server's over the past years and none of them of panned out. The problems with those server's varied greatly. The real problem will be convincing people that this server will not have the same problems as the past ones. With the success that the blue P1999 server has... I think you will have not problem with convincing players as you have hard evidence of a current stable blue server. The pvp community is pretty tight and if people are having fun they will spread the word quickly. Just the fact that these forums have been created has created a pretty big stir.

[Castle]

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[Knuckle]

Originally Posted by Doors [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just like the last box, this one if it ever happens will undoubtedly fail. The mods that invest the time and money into red99 will regret their decision to actually host a pvp server for the degenerates that actually want one in a matter of months. Red99 will be a bust like all other previous attempts at a solid pvp box for multiple reasons including but not limited to:

1. Fags - in other words whats known as the player base for any EQ pvp server. These people will neither donate or support the GMs that make red99 possible. They feign interest and support for the current GMs. I would bet actual money that within a month of red99 going live they accuse the same people of favoritism and other bullshit that happens on pvp boxes.

2. Cheating - Zone crashing, MQ, ShowEQ, training, duping - you name it, its going to happen on red99 constantly. All of these will be rampant problems on red99. Always have been problems on other previous boxes, these problems and problem players haven't suddenly gone away. Granted they exist on p99 right now, their significance is going to be amplified when they're used to grief the player base which is going to result in floods of petitions for GMs on red99 on a daily basis.

4. Population - Not only will red99 jepordize a good, stable population of a successful private server, the money required to run red99 could also jepordize p99's server in case donations don't roll in for red99 (which i can guarantee they won't.) The cost of maintaining two private servers could end up bringing both p99 and red99 down if things got bad.

Conclusion - ditch this shit idea of a pvp box. The minority isn't worth appeasing if it means jeopardizing a solid private server thats almost over 1k players at peek times. Don't risk p99 and its solid population to appease people that could care less about your project. They won't donate, beta test, or support your project. If you think they care at all about what it costs and takes to maintain both red99 and p99 you're kidding yourself.

1. Fags - in other words whats known as the player base for any EQ pvp server. These people will neither donate or support the GMs that make red99 possible.

3. Money - Getting donations for just p99 is hard enough, the player base for red99 isn't going to donate anything. They will abuse whatever aspects they can to grief for as long as possible before red99 is inevitably brought down due to lack of funds/frustration over cheating/lack of interest on the part of the GMs which brings me to my next point.

So 1 and 3 are basically the same. VZTZ is one of the top donating boxxes ever, numerous examples have already been provided. While PVP servers have a smaller core, we do everything to keep our fix alive, well 90% of us, some douchebags like kringe and a handful of sperglords fuck shit up.


2. Cheating - Zone crashing, MQ, ShowEQ, training, duping - you name it, its going to happen on red99 constantly. All of these will be rampant problems on red99. Always have been problems on other previous boxes, these problems and problem players haven't suddenly gone away. Granted they exist on p99 right now, their significance is going to be amplified when they're used to grief the player base which is going to result in floods of petitions for GMs on red99 on a daily basis.

Cheating has almost always been dealt with, I never cheated on any version of VZTZ, 1.0-2.0-3.0 . Some minor exploits I've taken advantage like making plat from alchemy on early 1.0 (prior to the plat wipe). I've reported a ton of exploits that got fixed. The only blatant times cheating ruined the game for me was related to Kringe/Bodu Lucid Vision shit. LV on 1.0 abused speedhacks, maphacks. Later on 2.0 zonecmd_delete with the black screen of death ruined the second box. But I had an awesome time excluding those experiences. Over 3 years only maybe 1 month of the box was terrible.

[ooantipostoo]

Originally Posted by Doors [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Listen I know you're super excited and probably giving out forum fellatio to the current GMs so you can get on red99 and grief as hard as possible before they inevitably ban you for MQ, but every point I've made is valid and true. I've played on the previous boxes and they all end in failure for the same reasons.

Feel free to keep throwing around the generic flavor of the month forum insults about me being mad though since you can't counter any of the arguments I just made. It's cute watching idiots get flustered.

See this is where it is Tuff. I see how you could say it has the ability to fail but, if The community pulls together and are willing to compromise with each other and the GMs. People have to realize that there are going to be things they don't agree with.

Now about the server failing just for being PVP is kinda off. I mean I personally only see p1999 as the only real successful emulator server. Nothing like this has ever had the population or the community besides live. So with this stemming from a successful emulator server it could go both ways. We haven't been presented with this type of scenario before, pending they will be using the most in depth and close to classic code as possible. With that being said if the community really wants this I think it can be done and will stick.

[naez]

Originally Posted by Heywood [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wtf bish. Vile, knukle, and I donated 200+ each as well. Give credit when credit is due. I think thurloc did it in one sitting, whereas the rest of us did it in several easy payments of 49.99 and 74.99


Either way. Yes, we'll donate. Hell, I suck at pvp, and I still donated alot! I'm sure heresy will donate alot. Contrary to what i first thought of them, they're actually pretty generous and cool.

Woah woah woah! Sorry brew, but you make it seem like I am all-knowing with the box finances. You're just lucky my nose was nowhere near a paypal link or it woulda gone straight to some booger sugar

[Haul]

LOL getem Smedy! Couldn't have summed it up better myself-

[Heywood]

Originally Posted by naez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Woah woah woah! Sorry brew, but you make it seem like I am all-knowing with the box finances. You're just lucky my nose was nowhere near a paypal link or it woulda gone straight to some booger sugar

you mean the mighty Naez is not all-knowing and omnipotent? this just shatters my perception of the universe.

[naez]

i knew it all during my teen years but the more i see the less i know the more id like to let it go hey woah listen what i say o i got your yayo