Concerning deities

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Afaik players only encounter avatars, not the actual gods themselves. All of the lore points to that at least.

Killing them in their home plane ought to be a permadeath but maybe they have bind points like us too.

We are all immortal.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We are all immortal.

Except for sleeper.

[Coridan]

Prexus should have been the deity for Kerra Isle as a Player-city. Give em Bard, Monk, Rogue, Shaman, Warrior

[jolanar]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Afaik players only encounter avatars, not the actual gods themselves. All of the lore points to that at least.

That seems like a retcon after PoP when they realized they had nowhere to go after players killed basically every god.

Is there anything that points to that in game for this era? Also, an actual Avatar of Fear spawns in Cazic Thule.


Regardless, if your avatar gets spanked that easy in your own plane of existence then I think the point still stands. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[cd288]

Originally Posted by pink grapefruit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I fucking love that the devs spent time creating gods for their world, and did the work to implement the code that would allow players to choose a deity- all for it to basically not matter at all, except from a very minor faction perspective. This decision (design flaw?) resulted in a system that was pure fun for its own sake, as well as having roleplay merit.

My hot take:

Agnostic enchanter is the most basic bitch move a person can make at the character select screen. It's a clear indication that a person is lacking in creativity, and admitting to making such a boring decision is simply outing yourself as uninteresting.

This goes for other classes too ofc, enchanters are just the ones you see nerds carrying on about. You never see these people insisting that gnome clerics should never ever go with Bertoxxulous bc then you'll be kos to a handful of NPCs on Antonica, though the logic is the same.

Like, does no one care about roleplay anymore? If you don't think up complicated backstories for your elf, why are you even playing an elf simulator to begin with? Your silly halfling warrior could believe in nothing in particular at all, or he could be a devout follower of the motherfucking God of War! Click Rallos Zek at character creation, and BAM- instantly 10x cooler. Now your macros can include text about spilling blood to appease Zek, or w/e fun and interesting thing you come up with.

Rolling a monk? Start in freeport loser, and if you love Qeynos so much run there and be the only peace-loving person in town. Bonus points for the more creative and unique you can get with it. I had a Veeshan-following monk on live I never played. Does anyone even remember having the chance to roll one? The best deity choice for enchanter is either Bertoxxulous (if evil) or Rodcet Nife (if good) because these have the most wtf factor. High elf casters should always go Karana or Erollisi, unless there is some compelling RP reason to choose something else. Innoruuk is the clear choice for half elf warriors, as Bertoxx is for rogues.

Anyway. Point made.

Not matter at all? There’s very worthwhile deity specific gear in the game

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by jolanar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That seems like a retcon after PoP when they realized they had nowhere to go after players killed basically every god.

Is there anything that points to that in game for this era? Also, an actual Avatar of Fear spawns in Cazic Thule.


Regardless, if your avatar gets spanked that easy in your own plane of existence then I think the point still stands. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's written suggests that only the Nameless would be capable of destroying the gods totally, though it's possible those gods could destroy one another more or less.

RP guild back in classic with some direct quotes from the lore...

https://web.archive.org/web/20001020...n/nameless.htm

22:33:21 Oct 20, 2000

"It is said that outside of space and time an entity known only as the Nameless exists, and that this being created all that there is and was and will be. It is also written in ancient texts that from His mind sprang not only the universe and its countless suns and worlds, but also a myriad of sentient, powerful, yet finite creatures whom one such as a man, or elf, or dwarf, would call a god."
-The History of Norrath

"There always has been and always will be an entity known as The Nameless. The universe and its countless suns and worlds sprang from the will of the Nameless, as well as many powerful creatures whom one might call gods. Whereas The Nameless created the stage, these gods gave birth to us, the many actors upon that stage."

-Vanusk, in the begining



That is all that is known of the Nameless. No other record or annul speaks of his actions or deeds. We know of the finite existence of our many "gods", and much of their history (yet not all) and try to find reasoning behind their actions, but, alas, cannot. All that we know is that which The Nameless wants us to know. All that we are is what The Nameless wants us to be. Without The Nameless, there would be nothing. It was his creations that first planted life upon Norrath, and that beget the world, as we know it. The Nameless is the one True God. Those that follow are merely minions of his greatness, each representing one facet of what The Nameless is.

This page will contain a work in progress. It will only be finished when The Nameless decides so. It is to be the first Testament of The Nameless, and included as a supplement to the now in progress Complete History of Norrath, which will be included as part of The Biblion, The Book of Books.



To Name The Nameless - The Ongoing Search for Truth and Serenity
A living document through the continued works of High Priestess of The Nameless, Aion Seraphim.

Ever stopped to consider that Tunare and Innoruuk are complete opposites in terms of goals, followers, and temperament, yet their holy followers are granted the EXACT same powers? How can this be explained?

The "gods" as we have been taught are a to us a focal point: something to allow us mortals to feel in touch with the greater powers that flow through the ether. But the origin of this power is not Rodcet Nife or Bertoxxulous. It is The Nameless... the Father of all creation. Clerics of The Prime Healer and The Plague Bringer have no differential qualities, abilities, or skills, yet have opposing focal points.

Only The Nameless can explain this. He is the generator of ALL power on Norrath. He can give and He can take away.

There are also bits of text from NPCs in the world that claim as much, especially in quests that involve epics...

https://web.archive.org/web/20011006.../epicquest.htm

Astral Projection says 'As you may have guessed, I am part of the four. I am made up from Trorsmang, Anbeal, Drina and Cordan. We, far gone from this world, are powerful, and have managed to return in one form. As Kaiaren's true form is far from here, and I can only assume that you have defeated his image.'

Old discussions about the topic below, post-classic but only by about a year, right around Planes of Power's release.

https://web.archive.org/web/20030606...=178&start=125

RE: Unknown God Reply...
Posted @ Thu, Nov 14th 7:56 PM 2002
By: ArgeinSicksoul
33 posts
Score: Decent [2.77]
The gods need Norrath, without Norrath no gods (except they are worshipped somewhere else). Gods need followers to exist, except for the 4 elemental gods (well they need Norrath too, no Norrath, no wheel, no need for the elemental gods) who turn the wheel and The Nameless (who's no real god, he's just there).


Argein Sicksoul
Bloodsabre Plague Knight

Not REALLY Gods.. Reply...
Posted @ Tue, Oct 22nd 9:30 PM 2002
By: KamotrackerShadowarrow the Silent
87 posts
Score: Excellent [4.76]
If you read up on EQ lore, all the gods we kill are just avatars, representing only a fraction of the god's true power.


Kamotracker Shadowarrow
Tunarean Warder of the First Outpost.
Master Fletcher
Destiny's Flame, Torvo..

RE: Not REALLY Gods.. Reply...
Posted @ Fri, Oct 25th 12:25 PM 2002
By: ArgeinSicksoul
33 posts
Score: Default [2.00]
The gods that are encountered in the planes are the REAL gods but can't be killed as long as their sources of power exist. You can destroy Cazic Thules (meta)physical form but you can`t kill his uhm well existance? Spirit? Dunno how to name it. Well his whatever can't be destroyed as long mortals fear. If all mortals would stop to fear Cazic Thule would die. If we'd stop to hate Innoruuk would die etc

Argein Sicksoul
Bloodsabre Plague Knight
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RE: Not REALLY Gods.. Reply...
Posted @ Wed, Oct 23rd 5:18 PM 2002
By: Primalthought
8 posts
Score: Default [2.00]
I could be mistaken. But I remember being in LFay when Tunare and Cazic met. Well their avatars that is. And it was stated by Tunare's avatar itself that what we saw was only a manifestation of her power on the mortal plane. And that she does indeed reside in Plane of Growth as herself, in true form and boundless power.

So what I gathered from this, is that anywhere other then their own plane, they are represented by a vessel of their powers.

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RE: Not REALLY Gods.. Reply...
Posted @ Wed, Oct 23rd 4:00 AM 2002
By: Oderry
11 posts
Score: Default [2.00]
Yeah that makes sense cause the Avatar of Fear would be like really be, The Avatar of the Avatar of Fear, seeing how Cazic Thule would just be an Avatar of the real god...

And yeah, same with the Avatar of War...


Oderry Warriortaco
The Defiant
Innoruuk Server

[pink grapefruit]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's written suggests that only the Nameless would be capable of destroying the gods totally, though it's possible those gods could destroy one another more or less.

RP guild back in classic with some direct quotes from the lore...

https://web.archive.org/web/20001020...n/nameless.htm

22:33:21 Oct 20, 2000



There are also bits of text from NPCs in the world that claim as much, especially in quests that involve epics...

https://web.archive.org/web/20011006.../epicquest.htm




Old discussions about the topic below, post-classic but only by about a year, right around Planes of Power's release.

https://web.archive.org/web/20030606...=178&start=125

that's an interesting theory, but it's utterly debunked by the simple fact that tunare is the one true divinity. what part of "mother of all" do you not understand lmao

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by pink grapefruit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that's an interesting theory, but it's utterly debunked by the simple fact that tunare is the one true divinity. what part of "mother of all" do you not understand lmao

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[Coridan]

Originally Posted by pink grapefruit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I had a Veeshan-following monk on live I never played. Does anyone even remember having the chance to roll one?

This was only an option on the Sullon Zek server, which had no agnostics.

[Gustoo]

Originally Posted by Coridan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This was only an option on the Sullon Zek server, which had no agnostics.

A true scholar