Any good guides for GINA?

[Niedar]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most of the same arguments supporting "gina" could be applied to things like packet sniffers that don't directly interact with the client. But that's nothing new....terrible players have always tended to make any mental gymnastics needed to justify their use of training wheels. They're terrified of the notion of having a level playing field because they know, deep down, they can't hack it.

Danth

Cant hack it on that oh so competitive PvE server. Yeah, that is it.

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Niedar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cant hack it on that oh so competitive PvE server. Yeah, that is it.

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[Daud]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Using cheat codes built into a single player game is still cheating because it's not the way that the base game experience is intended to be.

Ok, well, when the devs say that GINA is GTG, then the most basic fucking intent I can divine out of that statement is that GINA is GTG.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Daud [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, well, when the devs say that GINA is GTG, then the most basic fucking intent I can divine out of that statement is that GINA is GTG.

Like you said, there are servers that allow MQ to be used. That doesn't make MQ suddenly not a cheat program any more. Whether the devs allow people to use GINA or not does not determine whether it should be seen as cheating.

[kylok]

Serious question: do you feel that using deadly boss mods in WoW is cheating?

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Niedar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cant hack it on that oh so competitive PvE server. Yeah, that is it.

Sure is! Must be really embarrassing to be that bad at the game, too. That's why the folks using such aids always get so defensive about it.

Danth

[Daud]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like you said, there are servers that allow MQ to be used. That doesn't make MQ suddenly not a cheat program any more. Whether the devs allow people to use GINA or not does not determine whether it should be seen as cheating.

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard today.

The people making rules are absolutely what determines if something is cheating or not. They make up the fucking rules. They could waltz over, right now and edit it and say "GINA is banned and if we catch you using it you're banned". But they didn't, and currently, they say GINA is fine.

[Vexenu]

Imagine there was a racing league that for some reason decided to ban rear-view mirrors. So none of the cars have rear-view mirrors anymore. Then some enterprising fellow rigs up a mirror on a small flying drone and syncs it up to float perfectly in the car where the rear-view mirror would normally be, giving the driver the full function of a rear-view mirror.

Would that be cheating?

Because that is basically GINA in a nutshell. It's adding capabilities that were deliberately removed from the client for being unclassic. But people say this is ok because they aren't actually PART of the game or the UI. They just float on top of it. Sort of like a rear-view mirror that isn't attached to the car, but just floats inside of it where the mirror would normally be.

I think it's rather obviously that this grossly violates the spirit of the law, even if is technically within the letter of the law ("does not modify the client"). This is why I think the correct argument against GINA does not hinge on whether or not it technically violates the prohibition against client modification, but simply that it is UNCLASSIC AS HELL and does not belong on the Green server. Because nobody back in the day was using real-time log readers to place floating GUI elements overlaid onto their EQ screen. NOBODY. It did not exist. It's unclassic as all get-out and the people advocating it know that. Keep it on Blue. It doesn't belong on Green.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Daud [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard today.

The people making rules are absolutely what determines if something is cheating or not. They make up the fucking rules. They could waltz over, right now and edit it and say "GINA is banned and if we catch you using it you're banned". But they didn't, and currently, they say GINA is fine.

Again, would you say that somebody who is using cheat codes built into a single player game was playing that game without cheating? Would you say that using unlimited ammo or unlimited health codes aren't cheating? Of course you wouldn't, yet they were built into the game by the developers. To give people the option. The option to cheat.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Niedar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What other way can you define it than User Interface and is not a log file a user interface? Next we will tell me MUDs have no UI.

Any information being conveyed to the client that is distinguishable by human perception.