Bob's Perfect World- A wall of text regarding the raid scene on P99

[Ravhin]

Trucidation should be 5.9 sec cast time during the era it does 1100 damage.

http://web.archive.org/web/200106111...ell.asp?Id=518

If it is really only 3.2 then it should be bug reported.

[OngorDrakan]

Fuckin' A Bob. You got it right!

[YendorLootmonkey]

I refuse to believe that in "a perfect world", I would have to be in a guild of anti-social, training douchebags and endorse griefing others to get a chance at any raid target.

Such a server would end up being two guilds that train the shit out of each other, because the other guilds that didn't want to stoop to that level stopped bothering with the server, and those players that remained got recruited by the remaining two guilds to increase their mob train offense/defense.

[Gwence]

Sorry this isn't a new idea, IB tried to get this idea accepted over a year ago. GM's weren't having it then, doubt they'll consider it now.

Way to be thinking though!

[Motec]

Raid scene is fine. Fuck off.

[Phallax]

Originally Posted by Gwence [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry this isn't a new idea, IB tried to get this idea accepted over a year ago. GM's weren't having it then, doubt they'll consider it now.

Way to be thinking though!

With the way the sever is taking a shit lately they may.

And to all you reds claiming PvP its not gonna happen so just gtfo...seriously.

[Foxx]

Originally Posted by Hobby [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bob...my perfect would is: You, Me, 500mil plat, a private isle, and a private airline to ship out goods people buy over the forums.


I miss thee!


Inventory: xxxxxxxxx Plat, 192 Gold, 54 Silver, 0 Copper
[Mon Mar 28 01:46:39 2011] You say, '#summon irbob'
[Mon Mar 28 01:46:40 2011] Summoning irbob to ecommons 741.7, -1356.0, 2.5
[Mon Mar 28 01:47:19 2011] Meccus says, 'GM ?''
[Mon Mar 28 01:47:34 2011] You say, 'NO....'
[Mon Mar 28 01:47:37 2011] You say, '#name Bob'
[Mon Mar 28 01:47:38 2011] Successfully renamed Irbob to Bob
[Mon Mar 28 01:47:38 2011] Sending player to char select.
[1 Monk] Bob (Iksar) <The Syndicate> ZONE: ecommons


Thus created Bob the Iksar, summoned to ec, and renamed.


<3 forever documented!

GM favoritism ruining this server, which is why so many people hacking on this box... ppl like hobby ruin the box and make unfair rules so their friends can do what they want

[Arrisard]

Everquest is, without a doubt, a community driven game. If you take a look at the actual PNP from this era, 95% of it was addressed to cursing, various PC chat rules, impersonating people, 3rd party programs, etc. Very little was actually dedicated to things like KSing and ninja-looting. Infact, that's about covers the rest of it in a nutshell - don't ninja-loot or KS and that all GM decisions are final.

This had 2 primary effects. It actually kept the power in the players' court, where it should be, and gave the GMs a bit of a wide lane in which to arbitrate disputes (This is where a lot of "what exactly constitutes GM involvement in a classic sense" comes from).

Infact, the latter contributed to the fact that one wanted GM intervention because of it's fairly whimsical nature. GM controlled raid calendars might have happened, but they were without a doubt a very small minority across most of the servers. Calling it a "classic experience" for most would be a large stretch. Most of the time, solutions were found in either "work it out or you're going to /ran 100 for the mob". If it was after the fact, simple FTE normally ruled the day. There wasn't any huge investigation beyond that most times because FRAPs wasn't considered evidence, and GMs only watched raids if they REALLY had nothing else to do or had been previously called.

That's, imo, what made it work. It was simple for the GMs to enforce and the players got to decide if they wanted to work it out or act like children and make their own lives miserable. And not a lot of people wanted GM intervention unless they genuinely thought they had been a legit KSing beef.

I firmly believe that competition is just as important as cooperation in this game. Keeping as much of both those intact is of vital importance and a balance must be struck. GM controlled raid calendars and complete FFA are extreme solutions that are not in the best interest of the server. Instancing is so far removed from being "classic" I have absolutely no worries about it ever being implemented here, I'm not even going to get into it (read even just one or two of the "why you left Live threads", LDoN and instancing are pretty popular reasons in those threads).

Because, that's ultimately what community based game is about. Player control, competition, cooperation, with as little GM enforcement as possible to ensure some basic rules are enforced in the most simple way possible.

If the community wants to act like children or waste their lives spawn camping, then that's up to them. Or they can grow up or work something out. But it shouldn't be the GM's responsibility to dictate how the community interacts with each other beyond some very, very simple anti-griefing rules because well - it's the easiest, most effective, and most classic solution.

[jimthayner]

Well, this could go either way. But removing all GM intervention would be like getting rid of all the cops in town, thinking that "well, with people killing each other and stealing shit, they'll eventually just realize how stupid it is to murder each other/steal from each other and they'll all agree to stop."

One of the best inventions to MMOs was instanced raid zones for each raid group.

Bring on the flame posts.

[Daldaen]

If you're concerned about DPS groups ksing, then enable the raid tool. Let guilds form a raid have their DPS work as a single entity. If two guilds get to the mob at the same time whichever raid does more DPS wins the loot. Don't retort with bs of "no more cleric or tanks recruited". Because that is simply untrue guilds still have uncontested raids very often when they need those mobs.