Miscellaneous: Venril Sathir Drops

[bizzum]

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[nilbog]

Since there is an interest in VS loots, this is a great time for community input.

Loottables:
-A loottable is comprised of a lootdropid, multiplier, and %chance
-A lootdrop is comprised of item, and %chance.

There are additional fields in these tables, but for our purposes, they are useless.

Example: all the armor drops on a single lootdrop, and the rest of the staves, quest staves, and gem on another lootdrop.

(note: this is NOT how it is currently set in the database)

lootdropid: 1000, multiplier: 1, chance: 100%
Cobalt Greaves 10%
Blood Ember Greaves 10%
Jaundiced Bone Greaves 10%
Tolan's Darkwood Greaves 10%
Deepwater Greaves 10%
Mrylokar's Greaves 10%
Singing Steel Greaves 10%
Donal's Leggings of Mourning 10%
Elder Spiritist's Greaves 10%
Ancient Shissar Gauntlet 10%

In the above example, there is a multiplier of 1, and a %chance of 100. So, 100% of the time, one of those items will drop. If the multiplier was 2, it would roll twice.

There are 10 items included in the lootdrop. Each has its own %chance for dropping. Equal chances would be.. 10% for each.

(note: this is NOT how it is currently set in the database)


The following could be a second lootdrop on the same loottable.

lootdropid: 1001, multiplier: 3, chance: 60%
Waters of Impenetrable Aura 30%
Diamond Encrusted Staff 10%
Nightshade Scented Staff 10%
Shissar Nullifier Staff 10%
Shissar Guardian Staff 10%
Lycanthropic Staff 10%
Gnarled Staff 10%
Pulsing Green Stone 10%

So, lootdrop 1001 could roll 3 times, or zero times, depending if 60% was met or not.

(note: this is NOT how it is currently set in the database)

I hope this provides a general understanding of how loot functions. Since we will never know exactly how VS's loot should work, I am willing to hear how you guys think it should work based on your own findings.

Input/pseudo-lootdrops/%s welcomed.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since there is an interest in VS loots, this is a great time for community input.

lootdropid: 1000, multiplier: 10, chance: 100%
Tolan's Darkwood Greaves 100%

lootdropid: 1001, multiplier: 10, chance: 100%
Pulsing Green Stone 100%

^^ This setup looks good to me! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[bizzum]

Thanks for the response Nilbog, once I get back from work tonight Ill definitely be looking it over again and giving a bit of input!

[Trystych]

Legs/Junk first, weighted slightly in advantage of leg drops over staff drops.

Lootdropid: 1000, multiplier: 2, chance 100%
Cobalt Greaves 7%
Blood Ember Greaves 7%
Jaundiced Bone Greaves 7%
Tolans Darkwood Greaves 7%
Deepwater Greaves 7%
Mrylokar's Greaves 7%
Singing Steel Greaves 7%
Donal's Leggings of Mourning 7%
Elder Spiritist's Greaves 7%
Ancient Shissar Gauntlet 7%
Waters Of Impenetrable Aura 5%
Diamond Encrusted Staff 5%
Nightshade Scented Staff 5%
Shissar Nullifier Staff 5%
Shissar Guardian Staff 5%
Lycanthropic Staff 5%

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Magelo pegs Gnarled Staff drop as 33% of the time, guessing this format would satisfy that and make it similar to scale drops from dragons.

Lootdropid: 1001, Multiplier: 1, Chance 33%
Gnarled Staff 100%

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Ranger/Druid item operating under assumption that it should be a 40% drop from magelo and that 0, 1, or 2 can be seen on the corpse regardless of other loots similar to scale drops from dragons. I don't recall ever seeing more than 2 drop at a time on live.

Lootdropid: 1002, Multiplier: 1, Chance 40%
Pulsing Green Stone 100%

Lootdropid: 1003, Multiplier: 1, Chance 40%
Pulsing Green Stone 100%

So if the stars align it would be possible to see 2 of legs/junk staff, 1 gnarled staff, and 2 pulsing green stones on the same Venril Sathir while at a minimum you would see 2 loots including legs or junk staff but zero epic quest items.

[bizzum]

Originally Posted by Trystych [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Legs/Junk first, weighted slightly in advantage of leg drops over staff drops.

Lootdropid: 1000, multiplier: 2, chance 100%
Cobalt Greaves 7%
Blood Ember Greaves 7%
Jaundiced Bone Greaves 7%
Tolans Darkwood Greaves 7%
Deepwater Greaves 7%
Mrylokar's Greaves 7%
Singing Steel Greaves 7%
Donal's Leggings of Mourning 7%
Elder Spiritist's Greaves 7%
Ancient Shissar Gauntlet 7%
Waters Of Impenetrable Aura 5%
Diamond Encrusted Staff 5%
Nightshade Scented Staff 5%
Shissar Nullifier Staff 5%
Shissar Guardian Staff 5%
Lycanthropic Staff 5%

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Magelo pegs Gnarled Staff drop as 33% of the time, guessing this format would satisfy that and make it similar to scale drops from dragons.

Lootdropid: 1001, Multiplier: 1, Chance 33%
Gnarled Staff 100%

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Ranger/Druid item operating under assumption that it should be a 40% drop from magelo and that 0, 1, or 2 can be seen on the corpse regardless of other loots similar to scale drops from dragons. I don't recall ever seeing more than 2 drop at a time on live.

Lootdropid: 1002, Multiplier: 1, Chance 40%
Pulsing Green Stone 100%

Lootdropid: 1003, Multiplier: 1, Chance 40%
Pulsing Green Stone 100%

So if the stars align it would be possible to see 2 of legs/junk staff, 1 gnarled staff, and 2 pulsing green stones on the same Venril Sathir while at a minimum you would see 2 loots including legs or junk staff but zero epic quest items.

Well I worked all this out at work as well and couldn't post it until now, but its almost the exact same as Trystych's. I used the Harmonium posts I had as data before hand as a base and using the numbers from there (not the largest sample data but the best we have) calculated the relative probability of what the drops may be based off it.

Basically what it looked like was in each slot, there was a 67% (rounded) chance to have greaves and a 33% chance to have staves. This was just assuming that there were only two loot slots (aside from the Gnarled Staff and Epic Pieces). The easiest was I found was the same; just have one iteration with the same probability with a 2 multiplier and 100% chance to drop.

My numbers come out slightly more in favor for Greaves, but the reflect the data collected anyways. The one thing that I changed was that I did not weight the Shissar Gauntlets the same as the greaves--I just imagined that they were more rare, but if somebody wants to correct me on that! I just took 1% off of the total chance for greaves and staves respectively and put it towards the gauntlets for a total of 2%.

Lootdropid: 1000, multiplier: 2, chance 100%
Cobalt Greaves 7.3%
Blood Ember Greaves 7.3%
Jaundiced Bone Greaves 7.3%
Tolans Darkwood Greaves 7.3%
Deepwater Greaves 7.3%
Mrylokar's Greaves 7.3%
Singing Steel Greaves 7.3%
Donal's Leggings of Mourning 7.3%
Elder Spiritist's Greaves 7.3%
Waters Of Impenetrable Aura 5.3%
Diamond Encrusted Staff 5.3%
Nightshade Scented Staff 5.3%
Shissar Nullifier Staff 5.3%
Shissar Guardian Staff 5.3%
Lycanthropic Staff 5.3%
Ancient Shissar Gauntlet 2.0%

Thanks for looking up the drop rate that was listed for the staff, I would put this also as the second one.

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Lootdropid: 1001, Multiplier: 1, Chance 33%
Gnarled Staff 100%

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I also thought there were up to 3 for epic pieces, so I just combined the two above and gave it a 3 multiplier, same % to drop.

Lootdropid: 1002, Multiplier: 3, Chance 40%
Pulsing Green Stone 100%

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So basically with this setup it ends up being almost the same as Trystch's in terms of what the possibilities are for a loot table (minimum of two loots maximum, maximum of 6 since I included 3 epic stones), but I just weighted the item drop rates to align with the data that I posted since I thought it would be relevant to use it.

Either way we change the loot to ensure more greaves like everybody remembers, and it goes off what info we have. I think the epic pieces and staff are good on separate loot tables because in the quotes I provided they do list two epic stones in addition to two regular loots, and also there is one with 3 staves dropping (thats the way I interpreted it).

I was bored enough to calculate the chance of getting 2 greaves, one staff and one greaves, and also two staffs from that setup and it actually turned out pretty similar to the data above if you calculate it the same way: 44% for two greaves, 43% chance for one of each, and 11% for two staves.

Thanks to others for putting in input for this as well, let me know what you think or if something could use changes.

[Raavak]

I have no evidence, but that does seems more how I recall the drops being.

[bizzum]

Bump

[nilbog]

VS loots modified, pending update.

Did some minor changes to bring drops in line with replies. It was already set up similar to the suggestions though, so don't expect drastic differences.

[bizzum]

Thanks Nilbog! Nobody will have a reason to complain if its set that way though, so its appreciated!