Ragefire Agreement/Rotation

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Kole1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

those in the lair today were asked to try and reach an amicable agreement.

those in the lair today.


TMO, IB, VD. We figured a solution for those in the lair first because that's what was most pressing. If this works out, people who normally don't kill Nagafen might get a chance to kill nagafen now too...

that helps the server, right?

No it doesn't, because it doesn't apply to anyone else. Think about it. I can roll in there right now and poopsock, KS it and your whole agreement takes a shit. You need to wake up. This agreement is an agreement between 3 guilds, that's all. It doesn't apply to anyone else and in its current state, nor should it. Why this was posted here is beyond me

[Bruman]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

once again just my opinion but that suggestion would just lead all other guilds to come together and sock the mob together for a chance to get a cleric epic. there needs to be a slot earlier on for the other guilds to have a chance at getting an epic or there is no incentive for anyone other than ib/tmo/vd to comply.

The problem is making the socking part of the requirement. There's no skill or effort to socking - just being stupid enough to do it. Note - yes, I have socked a few times. And I'm dumb for it.

But after my through-the-night socking for one part of my epic, immediately after, it dropped again! And after that, A THIRD! Crazy luck. But did I demand the third piece for myself again (to MQ, etc)? No. We logged on a guildie's monk to give it to him. We work together as a guild. We congratulate and help each other out. We do not look to stop, hinder, or block our guildmates from getting their pixels too. Personally, I don't even do those things towards any other player at all. I don't really care if you get your pixels before me. I'm happy to let you know when this rare quest mob is up, not kill him so you're stuck again. Now, I'd tell my guildies first, sure - but after that, it's all good [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

But the whole socking thing can be avoided across the whole server for these bottlenecks and contested camps. But someone always degrades to poopsocking because their life allows for it, then somehow makes the leap that it's "effort" and means "they worked harder". They just worked dumber. That would mean more sharing though, and people would rather 'sock a mob (since they have nothing else to do with their time). Even if you have nothing going on in your life but EQ, there's still other things in EQ to do other than 'sock a mob.

Heh, didn't mean to rant. But it's pertinent. Continue to flame on!

[Lishrac]

I'm new, I'm not a cleric, I'm not in any of these guilds, and I haven't even stepped foot into Nags Lair. This is to show how little this situation really affects me. On that note I have a couple questions.

Didn't the animosity end in the previous thread when it was suggested that Ninik should get her epic first? What happened to that?

[maverixdamighty]

there are very few things in the game that are worth socking, but having a cleric epic in a guild is one of them if I had to pick the the top one.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Maultriss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The first epic was pretty much an IB only affair as nobody else had a pearl. Last week was the first open poopsock where more than one guild was ready. We're not talking like this has been going on for months and now VD jumps in. I never for once thought I should be at the front of the line after putting in my 25 hours vs. the top five and encouraged them to be at the front of the line because they deserve that.

So dump on us all you want but I wanted this to be fair to those who have served time the last 2 weeks.

The first Ragefire basically consisted of IB walking in to Nagafen's Lair and killing Ragefire, no camping involved. Not knowing that the spawn was completely fubar'd IB and TMO clerics continued the camp after Getsome's Ragefire until the next Nagafen spawned and 72 hours after that when the second Ragefire spawned.

This third expected Ragefire has already gone 41 hours since Nagafen died, and another set of 10 clerics (TMO/IB/VD) spent time in lair clicking air.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there are very few things in the game that are worth socking, but having a cleric epic in a guild is one of them if I had to pick the the top one.

And there's still no need for it. It's the reason pops taken a shit and continues to nosedive while unnecessary and unclassic variances get added. The notion that people can actually sleep and lead social lives and still play P99 has been lost for a while now and here it's taken to the absolute extreme and here's a perfect example of it.

Calling out Rogean again for being an idiot and let shit like this happen... maybe he'll fucking listen one day? who knows.

[Kole1]

its going to be changed to multiple spawns a week. (hopefully soon).

Then this bottleneck will be gone, and everyone can get epics much quicker. If this were a 1 week spawn forever, then this would be a completely unfair agreement.

Once the epic is how it was on classic ( EQcleric forums from back in the day suggest 3+ a week is possible. ), this whole initial feeling of disgust will be "gee I'm glad no one from IB/TMO/VD is in here poopsocking against ME. It's easy to complain that this is front loaded to benefit the guilds in the lair...but I ask

Do the people complaining realize how horrible this camp is right now, and how much better it will be soon, and how this agreement lets many many people enjoy playing on this server without looking over their shoulder IF this is honored long term? Don't think short term, think long term. This attempts to solve both.

[Skope]

Your agreement doesn't apply to anyone but you and a few people, so why should we care at all? Why make it a general chat thread? We don't care. Do you really think people are happy you've decided it's stupid to sit there for weeks for something you could have had without having to stoop to idiotic behavior for? Do you really want a pat on the back for that? Sweet jesus, you're not very bright are you?

[maverixdamighty]

not complaining just offering a different point of view/suggestion. the agreement in place is not a server agreement atm it's a 3 guild agreement with the possibility to expand to more later on when you guys don't need it anymore. If that's not the goal then you can clarify, but that's how it comes across.

there are quite a few other guilds ready for ragefire i'm probably not listing all of them but bda/taken/divinity i'm sure there are more.

I'd suggest if you want to do something for the server that 2 out of every 3 ragefire spawns go to the trio of (ib/tmo/vd) with the 3rd going to (bda/taken/divinity) etc. Just a suggestion.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

aka poopsock a mob that shouldn't be on a massive window due to unnecessary variances.

Thanks again, Rogean. Good work [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just wanna say, clerics like Ninik and Wiggles who've done this server more good than any other 2 players I can possibly think of and actually play rather than poopsock endlessly (buff noobs, give out stuff, travel hours across zones to help people get rezzes, i know this because i've ported them countless times to do so) aren't willing to partake in that bullshit and thus get shafted. So when I do sarcastically say that Rogean fucked up, I do really mean it. You dun really fucked up. It's reasons like these that the server is hopelessly losing pop and becoming 2-guild heavy. You've gotta fix this

It's also why you lose good players and great people and get left with assholes...

Yes I know some of you non-serious guilds think of yourselves as the benevolent white knights of Norrath and all those who engage in ruthless competition on the raid scene as the scourge, but that's fucking retarded. You act like Divinity is the only guild that's ever done a kind deed and has completely avoided any wrongdoing. I've seen both kindness and asshattery come from Divinity in the past. I don't know, maybe each of you in Divinity now are a fucking Jesus Christ in your own right; I wouldn't know.

If you want something.... TAKE IT!!

What I love about Everquest is the self-determination. No, retards, I don't mean that people are determined, though they are; I mean that you are the master of your own destiny. If you want something, all you have to do is want it more than the next guy and act accordingly. Playing Everquest extremely well is an art, but having sufficient skill to do this and that is not that difficult. I had never played Everquest (or any MMO) before this server and now I'm better than 99% of you at it. Everybody knows what is required to get (blank) done, but most people are not willing to muster the time and effort to do so.

I think if you asked a great number of "family style" guilds what it is they would change about this, their responses would altogether boil down to "I want Everquest welfare - give me shit I wouldn't otherwise have because I am not capable/willing enough to get it legitimately." Rather than bitch about the fact that Norrath, like Earth, is a land of haves and have-nots, you should just try to convince the staff to open up another server to spread out the competition. I understand that on live when people didn't like other hardcore players dominating content, they would just move to another server where the competition was more thin. Don't try to advocate Socialism in Norrath just because you don't have another server choice and/or you don't have what it takes to cut it here.

Furthermore, I'm getting really sick of seeing what I call "the defensive second tier guild mentality" in which people always assume the worst about whoever it is. I'm talking about the situation where maybe a tank is snoozing a little and another group pulls a mob through his camp and he attacks the mob and has to listen to /ooc nonsense about how TMO/IB never respect the rules and just do whatever they want and blah blah blah. Don't be a fucking retard and acknowledge the possibility of an honest mistake. I for one am not shy to flip out on people when they act against me (or my pals) with definite malice, but consider at first that most people aren't "out to get you." It's kind of funny that when a similar unfortunate incident occurs with people outside of second tier guilds, they're altogether pretty cool about it. I can't count the number of times I've been trained/inconvenienced, but I can tell you that most of the times it's happened without malice and without extremely negligent inconsideration, my response has been "lol shit happens." BDA is the worst about demonstrating "the defensive second tier guild mentality." And let me tell you, if you automatically just assume the worst and take it to /say or /ooc immediately, I'm just going to live up to your expectations many times over.

Short summary: Don't be a bitch and stop fucking crying.