Sirken, the server can't come to an agreement

[Kiln99]

If not reaching an agreement leads to an outcome that some of the negotiating parties desire... Of course there's not gonna be a fucking agreement. I respect Sirken and do not envy his position as well as the other admins, but this whole arrangement is flawed.

[phacemeltar]

i dont understand why the devs want people to think this is some sort of democracy. that bullshit will never work.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by phacemeltar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

democracy. that bullshit will never work.

doesn't work in real life why would it work here?

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If anything the economy will level out to something more reasonable, when people don't have to save up for their Trak BP's and VS stones, they'll be less inclined to sell things at ridiculous prices.

As for no raids killing the server, that cons dubious.

Wouldn't the opposite happen?

If items like dragon hero bracer, trak bps, or vs greaves stop dropping, wouldn't the price on those skyrocket?

All other items would still be entering market at same frequency and probably wouldn't fluctuate in price much unless they started getting over farmed due to raiders needing something to do.

[Hawala]

Originally Posted by zanderklocke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wouldn't the opposite happen?

If items like dragon hero bracer, trak bps, or vs greaves stop dropping, wouldn't the price on those skyrocket?

All other items would still be entering market at same frequency and probably wouldn't fluctuate in price much unless they started getting over farmed due to raiders needing something to do.

It wouldn't have any effect unless there were something shifting supply or demand.

[fishingme]

Originally Posted by Hawala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not sure what you're expecting Sirken, but what kind of agreement do you want? There are lots of us who would rather see nobody get any kind of raid mobs at all than come to an agreement.

Are you asking for consensus? Because it just won't happen.

Peace and quiet from petitions from poopsockers. Staff is enforcing a raid agreement because most of you raiders act like stupid children. Figure out your raid agreements, yeah you guys are going to lose raid targets more than you would like, but that's what happens in this situation.

[snwbrdr642]

Originally Posted by Elmarnieh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This most simple solution to lack of supply and absundance of demand is to increase supply instead the decrease supply with variance which pushes guilds to compete even more. Intentions and hopes of a policy have no bearing on the actual effects of a policy.

Three day mobs to one day mobs, 7 day mobs to three day mobs - remove variance. Issue resolves itself.

This happened on live with the rise of the great raiding guilds in Kunark and Verants solution was to increase the supply of raid target (hello Velious design). Since we should already be in Velious its a no-brainer for me to decrease raid mob spawn rates. For some reasons the GM's see this as not-classic in a way totally different than the way years of no velious and variance are not-classic.

this makes a lot of sense to me. yeah increasing spawn rates isn't classic, but neither is 3 years of kunark, variance, suspending raiding and the fact that it is over 10 years later and online culture has changed dramatically.

the goal of recreating a classic experience is a noble one, but we need to realize that we are indeed recreating and copying exactly is never going to be a real possibility. it is incorrect and irresponsible of GMs and staff to point fingers at bad behavior and claim that 100% of the fault lies in the actions of those behaving badly. it is also unreasonable for the players to have exceedingly high expectations for a team of staff and GMs that are volunteers and are doing the best they can with the resources available.

[SirAlvarex]

Raid suspension unfortunately only solves so much. The lower tier guilds don't care because, well, for the most part they aren't getting any raid kills anyway. What reason do they have to budge on any deal that doesn't benefit them? They are getting just as many raid kills as before, only now we get to watch the "insanely hardcore" guilds go without their medicine.

And, on top of that, any solution that the "lesser" guilds would want would also require a change in variance, which I guess is offlimits? So there once again is something that gives them no reason to cave.

Basically, this won't end until the guilds who have dominated this server switch to a method where all guilds are on 100% equal footing, no matter the guilds numbers or their ability to play for ungodly consecutive hours.

But hey, I'm just enjoyin the show!

[stewe]

Some of the top guilds don't care about an agreement, some of them block raids just so others don't get the loot and no raiding at all helps them still be able to wave their pixels and act like they are better then everyone else. If they can't block guilds from getting the loot by killing the mobs, they have no problem blocking everyone. Pretty pathetic but probably true.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Hawala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It wouldn't have any effect unless there were something shifting supply or demand.

Supply and Demand - code for I dont know what the fuck is happening or why its happening.

Thanks for that insight though.