So where is the Iksar Betrayer spawn now?

[DoucLangur]

I am pretty much with thufir on the "I'd rather go somewhere where I can avoid trains, to go out of my way to collect evidence, to get AE groups banned for training".

I may or may not go and find a way to record sessions on my Linux here, but the one thing I do suggest that you server staff could actually do is:

In the limited time that you are on the server, check on problematic hotspots in the game every now and then (such as Chardok), incognito, and if you see bullshit happening, proactively swing that ban hammer.

I think if an AE group is notified of an xp group going in and rejects their request to pull around them, that would qualify for a one week ban or something... Just by introducing the possibility to get banned the very first time you train someone, that might encourage people to play more nicely...

[polishanarchy]

Originally Posted by DoucLangur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think if an AE group is notified of an xp group going in and rejects their request to pull around them

They can't reject it. But this happens like once a year regardless.. an xp group going in, I mean.

[thufir]

Originally Posted by polishanarchy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They can't reject it. But this happens like once a year regardless.. an xp group going in, I mean.

Because there's Chardok AE there.

These remarks about "nobody else is ever in the zone anyway" are disingenuous. People don't go there because everyone knows AE is happening basically 24/7. It was actually a surprise to me to learn that people took a break on Sundays because "mobs are in window" or whatever.

[polishanarchy]

Any group could go in and force the AE group to stop if they actually wanted to.. as Leontius said. My point is that the AE isn't actually stopping anyone, even if it is discouraging.

[eadric]

I used to exp in Chardok on a regular basis back in 2011. It was a bring your own group zone, like HS, but plenty of groups went there to xp. What brought it to an end was the wurms in Skyfire being given stun immunity, which made AE groups there impossible, and eventually the AE madness moved to Chardok. On live people used to AE in Sebilis and other zones... it is a bit overdone on p99, but so is everything we as a player community do here.

[k2summit]

Originally Posted by eadric [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On live people used to AE in Sebilis and other zones... it is a bit overdone on p99, but so is everything we as a player community do here.

Seb was the AE zone on my server(seventh hammer). Chardok is just so easy to pull + bigger pulls availabe.

[Sorn]

Oh, Chardok AE...my graphics card has so many regrets from the day I decided to stick around and watch a pull out of curiosity after helping a friend after a Chardok royals wipe.

When I first zoned in, it was disorienting to see a pile of bodies and a bunch of people facing the wall. Sure, my friend's team had just wiped...but only Chardok AE could have explained the 30 or so bodies of golems and things by the L-bend. Then the strange ooc chats began.

Funkin says out of character, 'Funkin (idps) ::: @Sarvic(Mackinzie), Tummy(Evil), Fauvana(qillz), Auneyl(Bullwhip), Minds(Santa), Alvinas(Xp)'

What did it all mean? I was deeply confused. Then someone started pulling. We were told to stand up (so we wouldn't get aggro). That's when the train pulled in and the light show began. My graphics card instantly began to struggle, despite the fact that I'd set it to low particle density beforehand.

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Fauvana shouts, 'STARTING PULL -- EVERYONE STAND UP'
Fauvana shouts, 'HEAL ME -- FAUVANA'
Fauvana shouts, 'HEAL ME -- FAUVANA'
Alvinas shouts, 'healing Fauvana no more buffs on me'
Fauvana shouts, 'HEAL ME -- FAUVANA'
Alvinas shouts, 'puller Fauvana was healed! . Stand up. Please Remez'
Fauvana shouts, '1st WAVE INC -- DA NOW'
Alvinas shouts, 'Casting DB now'
Alvinas shouts, '6 seconds left STUN STUN STUN'
Alvinas shouts, 'Casting DA-'
Fauvana shouts, '2nd WAVE ! - DB NOW!'
Alvinas shouts, 'DA Fading in 6 seconds, hopefully they are locked down'
Fauvana shouts, 'heal sarvic'
Fauvana shouts, 'STRAGGLERS INC !'
Fauvana shouts, 'ALL IN -- DPS GO GO GO'
[Fri Mar 11 22:52:52 2016] Tummy begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:52:52 2016] Sarvic begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:52:53 2016] Alvinas begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:52:54 2016] Auneyl begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:52:54 2016] Sarvic regains concentration and continues casting.
[Fri Mar 11 22:52:54 2016] Mindflayer begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:52:56 2016] Evil begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:52:56 2016] Tummy begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:52:57 2016] Funkin begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:52:57 2016] Sarvic begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:52:58 2016] Mackenzie begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:52:58 2016] Sarvic regains concentration and continues casting.
[Fri Mar 11 22:52:59 2016] Mindflayer begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:00 2016] Auneyl begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:01 2016] Tummy begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:01 2016] Alvinas begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:02 2016] Sarvic begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:04 2016] Qillz begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:04 2016] Evil begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:04 2016] Taking a screenshot...
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:05 2016] Mindflayer begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:06 2016] Auneyl begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:06 2016] Funkin begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:06 2016] Tummy begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:07 2016] Sarvic begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:08 2016] Mackenzie begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:10 2016] Mindflayer begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:10 2016] Qillz begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:10 2016] Tummy begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:13 2016] Sarvic's spell fizzles!
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:13 2016] Sarvic begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:13 2016] Auneyl begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:15 2016] Qillz begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:15 2016] Funkin begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:15 2016] Mindflayer begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:15 2016] Tummy begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:15 2016] Evil begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:15 2016] Taking a screenshot...
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:18 2016] Sarvic begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:18 2016] Bullwhip begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:19 2016] a sarnak arbiter begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:19 2016] Qillz's spell fizzles!
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:19 2016] a sarnak arbiter's casting is interrupted!
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:20 2016] Qillz's spell fizzles!
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:20 2016] Qillz begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:20 2016] Tummy begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:21 2016] Bullwhip regains concentration and continues casting.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:21 2016] Mindflayer begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:23 2016] Sarvic begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:24 2016] Funkin begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:24 2016] Sarvic regains concentration and continues casting.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:25 2016] Evil begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:25 2016] Qillz begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:25 2016] Tummy begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:25 2016] Alvinas begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:25 2016] Bullwhip begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:26 2016] Bullwhip's casting is interrupted!
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:27 2016] Mindflayer begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:28 2016] Sarvic begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:29 2016] Qillz begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:29 2016] Tummy begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:31 2016] Bullwhip's spell fizzles!
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:32 2016] Mindflayer begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:32 2016] Bullwhip begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:32 2016] Sarvic begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:32 2016] Mackenzie begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:33 2016] Taking a screenshot...
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:33 2016] a sarnak accoucheur begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:34 2016] Sarvic's casting is interrupted!
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:34 2016] Evil begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:34 2016] Tummy begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:34 2016] a sarnak accoucheur's casting is interrupted!
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:34 2016] Sarvic begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:34 2016] Alvinas begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:34 2016] Qillz begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:35 2016] Tummy regains concentration and continues casting.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:36 2016] Sarvic regains concentration and continues casting.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:37 2016] Mindflayer begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:39 2016] Sarvic begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:39 2016] Tummy begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:40 2016] Alvinas begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:41 2016] Funkin begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:41 2016] Qillz begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:42 2016] Mindflayer begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:43 2016] Mackenzie begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:43 2016] Evil begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:44 2016] Sarvic begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:44 2016] Tummy begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:45 2016] Sarvic regains concentration and continues casting.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:46 2016] Bullwhip's spell fizzles!
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:47 2016] Mindflayer begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:48 2016] Bullwhip begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:48 2016] Tummy begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:49 2016] Sarvic begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:49 2016] Qillz's spell fizzles!
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:50 2016] Taking a screenshot...
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:50 2016] Funkin begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:51 2016] Qillz's spell fizzles!
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:51 2016] Qillz begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:51 2016] Evil begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:52 2016] Taking a screenshot...
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:52 2016] Mindflayer's spell fizzles!
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:53 2016] Mindflayer begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:53 2016] Tummy begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:53 2016] Sarvic begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:57 2016] Mindflayer begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:58 2016] Tummy begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:59 2016] Sarvic's spell fizzles!
[Fri Mar 11 22:53:59 2016] Sarvic begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:00 2016] Evil begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:00 2016] Bullwhip begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:00 2016] Qillz begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:01 2016] Taking a screenshot...
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:01 2016] Funkin begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:02 2016] Mindflayer begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:03 2016] Tummy begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:03 2016] Sarvic begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:03 2016] Funkin regains concentration and continues casting.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:05 2016] Qillz's spell fizzles!
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:06 2016] Qillz begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:07 2016] a sarnak myrmidon says 'You will not evade me Sarvic!'
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:07 2016] Mindflayer begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:08 2016] Tummy begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:08 2016] Sarvic begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:08 2016] Evil begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:09 2016] Mackenzie's casting is interrupted!
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:10 2016] Sarvic regains concentration and continues casting.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:10 2016] Auneyl begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:11 2016] Funkin begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:12 2016] Mackenzie begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:12 2016] Mindflayer begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:12 2016] Tummy begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:13 2016] Qillz begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:13 2016] Sarvic begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:14 2016] Alvinas begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:15 2016] Sarvic regains concentration and continues casting.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:16 2016] Mindflayer begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:16 2016] Evil begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:17 2016] Tummy begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:17 2016] Auneyl begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:17 2016] Sarvic begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:17 2016] Bullwhip begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:18 2016] Qillz begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:20 2016] Funkin begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:20 2016] Santaclaws shouts, 'Ding 60.'
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:21 2016] Mindflayer begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Mar 11 22:54:21 2016] Tummy begins to cast a spell.
Mindflayer shouts, 'clear'
Fauvana shouts, 'xx14'

I never saw more of the zone than that dead end of the hallway, mostly because I went to bed rather than join the royals team. But it was an interesting glimpse into the lives of players who don't care for the long grind to 60.

[Nuggie]

So I think this is a short term problem(from here, not from the beginning of AE pulling). The zone is going to get revamped on one of the few patches we have left.

Patience grasshoppers. The solution is coming.

[syztem]

Take a group or a 60 monk/shaman and whatever else you want(pref enchanter for calming c2/vog) just levitate up that hallway infront of the main castle entrance. and you can clear down to the slave area(where the bridge if you jumped off takes you) and you can sit in a place where nothing spawns kos, and pull to there, you will find the betrayer popping super commonly. In 1-2 full tube pops your bound to get 1 betrayer per.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by polishanarchy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any group could go in and force the AE group to stop if they actually wanted to.. as Leontius said. My point is that the AE isn't actually stopping anyone, even if it is discouraging.

LFG