Game Mechanics: non-humanoids wielding weapons/quadding - Page 2

bizzum · #11 10-24-2012, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No I posted under another bug report showing a kill on live during this era where Hoshkar dropped 2 weapons and correctly was CLAWING not slashing or using the weapons.

I first noticed this when I was sonic bats on red dual wielding and proccing mage swords. Correction... it when I saw shaman pets doing it.

Shaman pets were fixed long ago to not be able to accept weapons. However other non-humanoid mobs are still dual weilding.

bizzum · #12 10-24-2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When does this change? Virtually every dragon in Velious quads.

The dragons all might quad in Velious, but that might be an innate ability to be able to claw at your 4 times in a round of combat, rather than it being dictated by the loot table that they hold.

Currently you can find a dual weilding Hoshkar, for example, some weeks, and others he won't have weapons and does a lot less damage. You can see this also with Spiroc lord in Sky with his wingblades (but maybe hes a humanoid so its okay).

Nirgon · #13 10-24-2012, 03:09 PM

I mean some NPCs do dual wield that are humanoid, guards for example (esp Dark Elf ones) so that should be OK yes.

I guess the shaman pet fix is do not accept the item at all, not if you have it don't use it.

bizzum · #14 10-24-2012, 04:09 PM

Humanoids should dual wield though, yes? At least have the capability. Thats what I was saying.

Dragonzord · #15 10-24-2012, 05:05 PM

maybe not wielding weapons but why wouldn't a dragon be able to claw you with each hand twice (quadding)?

Nirgon · #16 10-24-2012, 05:33 PM

I'm not saying dragons shouldn't be able to quad across the board. I'm just saying I see the current dragons as being able to double attack and Hoshkar specificaly I see only double attacking (2 CLAW attacks) while he has 2 weapons on his loot table in the other thread.

Nizzarr · #17 10-24-2012, 05:53 PM

With velious came innately quadding mobs, not all of them did quad but some sure did.

There was no non-humanoid quadding mobs in kunark.

bizzum · #18 10-24-2012, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragonzord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maybe not wielding weapons but why wouldn't a dragon be able to claw you with each hand twice (quadding)?

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that might be an innate ability to be able to claw at your 4 times in a round of combat, rather than it being dictated by the loot table that they hold.

i.e. they can quad maybe but they don't need weapons to do such and won't equip weapons they have.

Autotune · #19 10-24-2012, 07:50 PM

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^^ has all the symptoms of a regular dirtnapper. Do not become like him, avoid the dirt naps.

sorry I cant have 84 people on a single raid for vp dragons. cant do it like tmo!

Should still be able to take him down with 30ish.

Dullah · #20 10-25-2012, 03:28 AM

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Should still be able to take him down with 30ish.

We should, but in favor of keeping the "sides" balanced, we've tried to keep our guild/raids to a bare minimum in order to preserve some level of competition on a low pop server. Thus, its really important to implement classic mechanics here when raiding with 30 dudes on a box of maybe 150 (100~ concurrently) isn't always an option.