Raid Suspending best idea GM's had in a long time

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The post from Gordon says Camps And Spawns. A spawn is a dragon, and it is also a fire beetle. It goes on to say low level and high level items. It says MUST WORK OUT A ROTATION. It does not say Except Raid Targets.

Guilds do indeed camp raid targets on this server. Your opinion is not evidence, its your opinion based on your memory of 17 years ago.

You have every right to disagree with a Everquest producer, a guide who states "I have to enforce it", the 60+ individuals who all agree that it was enforced (whether they liked it or not).

Your personal experience of whether it was enforced or not is irrelevant unless you were a GM or Guide. The majority of petitions, likely 99.99999% (the ones you didn't petition yourself) you had no idea about and no experience of.

No, you not understanding ^^ Read your post again. It addresses claims of mob ownership. It is very obviously discussing camps (it references named in lguk for example). Raids never claim ownership of spawns. They don't. You know it and I know it. We also all know that as much as players enforced "camps" soe did not recognize them. This is not opinion, it is Reason ^^ I will admit, you had me partially duped back when you posted in server chat because of how you framed the discussion. Kudos on that, but the cat's out now ^^ better luck next time (^。~)v

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you not understanding ^^ Read your post again. It addresses claims of mob ownership. It is very obviously discussing camps (it references named in lguk for example). Raids never claim ownership of spawns. They don't. You know it and I know it. We also all know that as much as players enforced "camps" soe did not recognize them. This is not opinion, it is Reason ^^ I will admit, you had me partially duped back when you posted in server chat because of how you framed the discussion. Kudos on that, but the cat's out now ^^ better luck next time (^。~)v

Its opinion and illogical. Once again evidence or your just wasting your time posting your opinion.

Heres a post that might interest you:

You mean its going to hurt my faction with one of the uber guilds that don't invite a single person not in their guild on any function?
The ones that starve everyone else out of the planes?

The ones that took 8 straight dragons before the level 53+ rule had to be put into place?

The ones with the 53 necro camping the entire magi room?

Pnp is used by jerks.

Pnp is needed because of OTHER jerks.

The high level guilds in the game generally turn into self-centered exclusive snobbish clubs who exclude folks from rare spawns, the planes etc.

To players who are only on 3 hours a day, the fact that Uberguild A members are going to exclude you from a planes or dragon run means diddly squate because they know you will never invite them anyway. They also know they have a choice of logging on- walking in and saying, "pnp- let me in rotation" or logging on, wandering around 3 hours, finding everything camped, and then logging out.

PNP is specifically put in to allow casual players some way to enjoy the game in the face of people who log on at 6am and play for 15 hours.

If you weren't camping things for literally 24 hours straight then perhaps these rules wouldn't be needed.

I've never used pnp yet myself- I play about 4-6 hours a day. But if I only had 3 hours a day I would use it regularly. Most of the uber folk are going to burn out and not be playing in another 6 months anyway.

You are so wrapped up in your uberguild world that you have no empathy for what it is like for people who can't play 10 hours per sitting.

Are some folks jerks? Yes.
Should PNP mean they get the NEXT spawn- No.

But PNP should mean- you are here- that means you get next spawn and after that we share. If a third person walks up, then they can sit and wait for the third spawn. It sucks but it isn't really the players fault. Verant is the one who has loaded 1000 person servers to over 2000 people without raising the rate that rare items come into the game.

If previously an item entered the game every 8 hours, you had 5 people competing for it, now you have 10.

But given that they are letting the servers inflate, the only way to make it fair to casual players is to have PNP.

planes = Raid. Dragon Run = Raid.

[Whirled]

Ikon for server president.
Dude gives tons of proof and still y'all cling to the pixels crying no no no no no

[Kagey]

just another casual asking for free pixels.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Kagey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

just another casual asking for free pixels.

Do you subscribe by the month, or go with 3 month packages to save money?

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its opinion and illogical. Once again evidence or your just wasting your time posting your opinion.

Heres a post that might interest you:


planes = Raid. Dragon Run = Raid.

Those are more examples of players trying to claim ownership of spawns or areas (like MM CE) for example, which was a violation of the pnp. Yeah, early guilds actually did try to do that, but SoE said, nope, can't, so players started contesting and voila, we have the raid system that lasted up until instances content.

No guilds on p99 assert ownership of anything (except for mobs they actively killing which are protected under ks rules). Everyone does have equal access.

The situation that is discussing is more like if you were to walk into TOV (or like what happened in classic pof/poh) and CSG be like, "GET OUT, CSG camping zone." It does t happen. It does t even happen with spawns thankfully ^^ Point is, you players cannot claim ownership of things. Nobody does that here except in xp groups and single party or less named cash camps.

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those are more examples of players trying to claim ownership of spawns or areas (like MM CE) for example, which was a violation of the pnp. Yeah, early guilds actually did try to do that, but SoE said, nope, can't, so players started contesting and voila, we have the raid system that lasted up until instances content.

No guilds on p99 assert ownership of anything (except for mobs they actively killing which are protected under ks rules). Everyone does have equal access.

The situation that is discussing is more like if you were to walk into TOV (or like what happened in classic pof/poh) and CSG be like, "GET OUT, CSG camping zone." It does t happen. It does t even happen with spawns thankfully ^^ Point is, you players cannot claim ownership of things. Nobody does that here except in xp groups and single party or less named cash camps.

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[Sun Mar 07 21:18:35 2004] [ANONYMOUS] Erskin <Caelum Infinitum>
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[Sun Mar 07 21:18:36 2004] [ANONYMOUS] Ghuda <Sterling Order of Knights>
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[Sun Mar 07 21:18:36 2004] [65 Forest Stalker] Denauticus (Half Elf) <Sterling Order of Knights>
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[Sun Mar 07 21:18:36 2004] [ANONYMOUS] Desstiny <Caelum Infinitum>
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[Sun Mar 07 21:18:36 2004] [65 Forest Stalker] Feeta (Unknown) <Caelum Infinitum>
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[Sun Mar 07 21:18:36 2004] [ANONYMOUS] Jynxo <Caelum Infinitum>
[Sun Mar 07 21:18:36 2004] [65 Arch Convoker] Emirkol (Erudite) <Caelum Infinitum>
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[Sun Mar 07 21:18:36 2004] [65 Feral Lord] Kalyine (Vah Shir) <Caelum Infinitum>
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[Sun Mar 07 21:18:36 2004] [ANONYMOUS] Rhomna <Caelum Infinitum>
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[Sun Mar 07 21:18:36 2004] [ANONYMOUS] Griven <Caelum Infinitum>
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[Sun Mar 07 21:18:36 2004] [65 Dread Lord] Arcanion (Dark Elf)
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[Sun Mar 07 21:18:36 2004] [65 Arcanist] Tarabella (Dark Elf) <Caelum Infinitum>
[Sun Mar 07 21:18:36 2004] [65 Deceiver] Faradim (Barbarian) <Caelum Infinitum>
[Sun Mar 07 21:18:36 2004] * GM * [65 Lord Protector] Jamlamin (Gnome)
[Sun Mar 07 21:18:36 2004] [ANONYMOUS] Lidokidz <Talons of Fire>
[Sun Mar 07 21:18:36 2004] [65 Storm Warden] Havsum (Wood Elf) <Talons of Fire>
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[Sun Mar 07 21:18:54 2004] Reizack tells the guild, 'hah'
[Sun Mar 07 21:18:55 2004] Milween tells the guild, 'there is a shocker'
[Sun Mar 07 21:19:01 2004] Players in EverQuest:
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[Sun Mar 07 21:19:01 2004] * GM-Admin *[65 Lord Protector] Jamlamin (Gnome) ZONE: powater
[Sun Mar 07 21:19:01 2004] * Apprentice Guide *[20 Bard] Dacronis (Wood Elf) ZONE: timorous
[Sun Mar 07 21:19:01 2004] There are 2 players in EverQuest.
[Sun Mar 07 21:19:12 2004] Southside tells the guild, 'haha CI still has that gm on there payroll'
[Sun Mar 07 21:19:19 2004] Jamlamin shouts, 'Talons of Fire - A Corinav Event is currently going

on. Please leave the zone till it is over.'
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these intruders.'
[Sun Mar 07 21:19:28 2004] You say, 'rofl'
[Sun Mar 07 21:19:35 2004] Tarabella cheers at Jamlamin.
[Sun Mar 07 21:19:49 2004] Skyll tells the guild, 'GM Jamlamin in water. never heard of him

before'
[Sun Mar 07 21:20:03 2004] Lidokidz tells you, 'zone out'
[Sun Mar 07 21:20:05 2004] Jamlamin shouts, 'GM Jamlamin here. If you are not part of the event,

you are out of the zone. Talons of fire you will be ported out of the zone.'
[Sun Mar 07 21:20:11 2004] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Sun Mar 07 21:20:38 2004] You have entered The Plane of Tranquility.


Left the zone 20 seconds after I was asked to.

Once again this was not about griefing and about a GM that has a history of, and still is enforcing rules that make absolutly no sense whatsoever.

[FatMice]

What kind of casual keeps logs from 2004?

[nyclin]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your personal experience of whether it was enforced or not is irrelevant unless you were a GM or Guide. The majority of petitions, likely 99.99999% (the ones you didn't petition yourself) you had no idea about and no experience of.

was a guide for 3 years on vazaelle, zebuxoruk, and vallon zek

GMs didn't enforce rotations on any of those servers, nor most of the servers I played on or had friends on: all of the zeks, veeshan, rathe, xev, fennin ro

stormhammer (the $36/mo server) did have a GM enforced rotation, and mobs/zones were repopped for each rotation slot

p99 could stand to use stormhammer's model tbh, but too many people would cry about it for it to work

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by nyclin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

was a guide for 3 years on vazaelle, zebuxoruk, and vallon zek

GMs didn't enforce rotations on any of those servers, nor most of the servers I played on or had friends on: all of the zeks, veeshan, rathe, xev, fennin ro

stormhammer (the $36/mo server) did have a GM enforced rotation, and mobs/zones were repopped for each rotation slot

p99 could stand to use stormhammer's model tbh, but too many people would cry about it for it to work

They did enforce the PnP. The PnP required that players worked out rotations and any guild that was jumping dragons and denying them to others would have been subject to the PnP.