Does CHA really work?

[Bubbageo]

I know that back in the day enchanters and bards were convinced that charisma helped with their charms, but I was never able to find any definitive proof one way or another other than people "feeling" like it lasted longer. Is there any actual official proof that this mechanic does anything on P99, or is it still all just conjecture?

[formallydickman]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=92423

and other such posts

[Brimacombe]

I have read pages where enchanters experimented with their charms naked versus geared. They said the difference was negligible if detectable at all. However, since the plural of anecdote is not data, I have decided to make sure my charmee is tashed at all times.
The above is a really good test. I would consider that patches have occurred since then. Not that it invalidates the test, but I do not know if they patched or ninja patched CHA checks since that time. Just a thought. If I wasn't lazy, I would run a test myself with more samples per category... the RNG is notoriously runny.

- Brimacombe



P.S. I hope it is involved, CHA is by far my highest stat ;)

[Silo69]

go get 255+ cha

no less please for this test, not 200 not 185 not 215... 255+

then go tash charm something come back to this thread and tell me how right i am

my charms last almost full duration, not always but the majority of the time i do not have the problems you have

[Itap]

Inb4 Loraen

[Brimacombe]

@Silo69 Wow, how did you get your CHA up that high? Can you list your gear?

-Brimacombe

[SCB]

200+ suffers diminishing returns, but is still valuable. You will definitely notice a difference in charms with high cha versus low cha.

[Tenlaar]

I played around with low level enchanter charming before and after I got my cha gear. I went from 115 to 171. It was very easy for me to tell a difference. Now at 23 with my cha buff I sit at 189, and when I duo/trio I often use even and yellow con pets. I know that won't last too much longer, but I have a lot of success with stacked cha. I plan on trying to get 205 base cha so my buff will take it to 255.

[roks1]

I find that in instances of my charisma check failing I can fall back to my experience as a PUA and the mystery method OP.

HTH.

[Swish]

Enchanters/bards: definitely a difference at least to 200 - don't play with under 200 unless you can't afford any more CHA gear.
Druids: definitely not, uses wisdom instead right?

[A1551]

It definitely has a massive effect on charm durations. See Loraen's posted data earlier, and if that is not enough for you, this research I did:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=738889&postcount=52

[Brimacombe]

Thank you for your input. It can be chalked up to selfishness, but I appreciate your data mining.

-Brimacombe

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

back during original through kunark, there was no hard data or clear word from Verant (!) on charisma. I was an enchanter main then too. It was nuts. Think about it: the *rumor* is it's important, and there are cha gear items that are designed for enchanters so.... we all drew our conclusions.

Unless I am mistaken, in original charisma in fact did nothing except get you higher vendor prices. So classic. I chased a stat for like 2 years only to realize, it actually isn't coded to do all that much.

Then I went 255 STA + 255 INT. And was at peace.

edit: I know it is different now, I meant in original. Enchanters chased charisma like crazy. And it did nothing. lol.

[Bubbageo]

Sadre, what you are saying is the assumption I make as well. That it did not actually do anything in original, but does now. Self fulfilling prophecy?

Like you said. I just don't want to be spending the extra premium to chase a stat that does diddly (I'm looking at you dex).

[Kekephee]

Hell, I noticed a significant difference in my charms when I went from 100 to 140 cha, never mind when I eventually get up to 200.

[xarzzardorn]

definitely helps lull effects!

[Captain Faceplant]

However, since the plural of anecdote is not data

That is a really great line, haha. A+

[Clark]

go get 255+ cha

no less please for this test, not 200 not 185 not 215... 255+

then go tash charm something come back to this thread and tell me how right i am

my charms last almost full duration, not always but the majority of the time i do not have the problems you have

same here