POP dropping by the day since xp decrease

[Smedy]

Might want to enable the 1-50 xp bonus again dogs, shit just dropping by the minute on red99, eurotime looks to be down from 70 regular to about 35, sad times ahead when 80% of the pop is in nihilum.

[Loli Pops]

http://i.imgur.com/vz5qdal.jpg

[Feniggles]

xp so slow :(

[Tumdumm]

i wanna play on 8 person box again tbh

[Topdog]

The argument to not increase XP by GM's is that it will be "too easy". This is a false statement, let me tell you why.

Increased XP = Less time spent killing mobs to get 60 = Easier game.

The above is true, if you're applying blue logic to your calculations.

Here's the same algorithm using red logic.

Increase XP = Less time spent killing mobs to get 60 = More people want to play = More PVP = Harder to XP + Exp death in PVP = Harder game.

You can clearly see my calculations are correct and i'm motherfucking einstein up in this bitch, now please......

Increase the XP

[Swish]

PvP doesn't start properly until the 50s, so why not slow down (or stop) the people wanting to get there? Makes perfect sense right?

Maybe the idea is to kill the server to wipe it and put PvP teams or something up instead. Hard work for anyone wanting to level at the moment, few groups in the 20s-30s at least. Some are probably giving up and sticking to blue. Nice for blue...

[compulsion]

Just like in WoW, population increases after "expansions" (epic patch) are common as the lurkers come back to see if the game has improved. And when they find out that its the same old shit, they leave again.

But if welfare legacy items pinata'd out after events are more your thing than old school, red server PvP, by all means, enjoy your experience here.

[Tippett]

no u dummy its cuz exp is slow and low level population is low so its frustrating listening ot people arguing over pvp all day at the high end and the newbies can't get involved

anyways all day i spam LFG so people can join me while i solo and get mad exps

/t Galehad bros

also kinda suspecting exp was adjusted ive been getting 3% a solo kill and im a hybrid ????

[HippoNipple]

Just like in WoW, population increases after "expansions" (epic patch) are common as the lurkers come back to see if the game has improved. And when they find out that its the same old shit, they leave again.

But if welfare legacy items pinata'd out after events are more your thing than old school, red server PvP, by all means, enjoy your experience here.

I would be fine with red classic rules. This shit isn't classic. You lose exp on pvp death and the pvp range is 8 levels.

[Rettii]

ya the sweet roller coaster of pop increase is doing a reverse snowball

[Shrubwise]

i wanna play on 8 person box again tbh

[Clearrain]

This is stupid as hell and it seems very purposeful.

[Clearrain]

What I don't get is the attack on 1 to 50 players, why? Why would you possibly do this?

[Tippett]

idk i agree kinda dum still best server/mmo in existence tho so i guess we all dealing wit it

[Clearrain]

idk i agree kinda dum still best server/mmo in existence tho so i guess we all dealing wit it

Obviously a lot of people are Not dealing with it according to the population counter and that causes a snowball effect.

[Clearrain]

Spending 4 months just to PvP on a PvP server is not cool.

[Vile]

imo... need mega curve to 45ish (let new dudes get into planes... etc)

moderate curve from 46-50...

51+ keep it how it currently is

[Tippett]

server fine as is too much wining ranger is already 28 and i made him like a week ago

I work 80 hours a week and he doesnt even have a day /played yet shits fine

[Tippett]

i mean old exp was better but new slower exp is still faster then normal and good enuff to survive

[hijinks]

heh, still whining about exp.. how many possible completely new faces does this server see a day? probably not much, server has been out for 1 year+, if you don't have at least a 50 character with the bonus that was put in place for so long I don't know what to say, maybe you weren't cut out for Everquest and should load up WoW, I hear the rested XP is pretty good there.

[Tarwine]

Bring back xp, bring back a healthy server pop.

[Tippett]

hijinks the point that if u dont already have a 50 u shouldnt play is dum

[Tarwine]

super dum

[Tomatoking]

not sure if serious or dumb

[HippoNipple]

heh, still whining about exp.. how many possible completely new faces does this server see a day? probably not much, server has been out for 1 year+, if you don't have at least a 50 character with the bonus that was put in place for so long I don't know what to say, maybe you weren't cut out for Everquest and should load up WoW, I hear the rested XP is pretty good there.

The only players that played the entire 1 year + are in your guild. Everyone else quit because population went south and the pvp sucked. That's the reasoning for this post. I don't think the OP cares about leveling from 1-50. It is a hard concept for you to understand since you know your raiding scene is safe and that is all you care about.

[nilzark]

I have to agree with Smedy and Topdog on this one. I would play my Cleric (currently lvl 6) on Red if the experience rate was increased. It's just boring as fuck soloing in WC right now. Topdog's logic is sound IMO. Red rules should be different because the game dynamic is vastly different.

[Nirgon]

how many possible completely new faces does this server see a day?

Well we had (past tense) about 50 that mighta asked others to play.

[Rettii]

Hijinx your basically saying the server shoul be 50-60 only with no new players and no low end game. That would mean pop does nothing but decay down to 30 again.

[Tippett]

i think hijinks realizes now that pos was dum or did not correctly display what he meant

[heartbrand]

I like that EXP is slower here, because it forces you to take your character seriously and not just level throw away train chars etc., on the other hand obviously due to the low pop it's very hard to level. I think a nice balance would be either a grouping balance to encourage group play rather than SoloQuest OR low-mid level hot zones.

[hijinks]

well, I retract my original statement. It is a fine balance, and unless they took away all the exp bonus since the server went down, the 25% across the board should be JUST fine for new people.

What it was a few weeks ago was waaaay too fast.. Again, there is a fineline between CounterStrike w/ elves and semi classic grind. We all saw what happened w/ LoZ when people could box and blow through 60 in a day played. EQ is a grind, embrace it, 25% across the board should be just enough to make it easier on new players to start up here, you just have to have a thick enough skin for it.

EDIT: to HPT note below -- I would accept more of a GROUP xp bonus than a solo xp bonus, this would promote a healthier low-mid tier level pop, instead of the 200th druid that gets created to solo quad kite, if they should do anything else to EXP it should involve group bonuses not single bonuses

[Handpartytowel]

the fact that there is a giant xp bonus to soloing is pretty dum

[mostbitter]

I imagine the new regime throwing out bans as often as possible doesn't help the population either. It's nice that people spend their time trying to regulate the behavior of the players here but beggars can not be choosers and if you have less than 200 people and you decide to go nuts on them with bans and suspensions you are going to do more harm than good if you go out and push 30 people away. More than that I think the willingness to broadcast their desire for heavy handed intervention has been heard by everyone here and repeated by people complaining about being banned.


a hypothetical if someone might indulge me.

A new player comes to Red99. He notices that the experience bonus that brought him here has evaporated, can't find a reason, can't find a statement about what the reason might be, if it will continue to be or not. When deciding if he wants to put a month into the box before running into another person he jumps on the forum and reads that people are being banned rather impulsively. He also finds a community not very welcoming. A new player stops playing.

I understand that the staff here has a vision, and that they are trying to force us to get on board. They need to understand that we are not going to get on board. We all want to pvp so bad that we play even though we don't agree with your decisions and in return we get very little for being passionate about everquest. In fact throughout the history of the server it has been my opinion that the red community has been made into pariahs for doing exactly what should have been expected of them.

I think it is time for some change on both sides of the fence but the unfortunate problem is that it can't start with us. We are a symptom of our environment and unfortunately we haven't been provided with an environment where we can behave differently.

[hijinks]

Also, one thing I absolutely loved about LoZ and I'm sure other boxes did was "HotZones" this would do WONDERS for PvP all the way from the bottom tier to the top tier.

Fighting over zones like KC or Seb to get an additiona 15-25% bonus to your exp would really make this box a lot more fun. If a zone is globally broadcasted to have 25% exp bonus you just KNOW you're going to find PvP there.. I'd really would love to see that down here, doesn't have to be daily, could be a every other day type of thing. Devnoob had it setup for 2 Classic Zones and 1 Kunark zone had the bonus, was really cool.

[Tippett]

they do not ban people too easily here are you insane?

they dont even enforce suspensions half the time

[Tarwine]

Why are we even talking about this, can we get a Gloinz population to exp graph in here?

[Tippett]

u should believe everything u read on forums dude

EVERYTHING

[Endoku]

I quit red over exp and went back to blue myself

[Rettii]

He also attempted hotzones for different lvling brackets, favoring the low and mid levels since high lvls was pretty concentrated already.

Unrest is the best exp and probably close to a hotzone classically, but it's also a nonstop pvp zone full of twinks that means new players without friends or already established in the server are just griefed off before hitting 25.

I love my flower pals, but their thirst for pvp and fact that most are too bad to exp farther than lvl 30 is doing more harm than good to population. Need to let genuine new comers thrive and focus the grief on alts and others that are already committed to box; try to just pvp them once and instead of bind camping invite to exp after.

[Nirgon]

Most of these players aren't finding groups. They'd just rather kill 10,000 mobs instead of 100,000 to get to the pvping or towards a level where they can find groups.

[Tippett]

lots of groups 20-30 i spam all day to give away exp

[HippoNipple]

Unrest is the best exp and probably close to a hotzone classically, but it's also a nonstop pvp zone full of twinks that means new players without friends or already established in the server are just griefed off before hitting 25.

I love my flower pals, but their thirst for pvp and fact that most are too bad to exp farther than lvl 30 is doing more harm than good to population. Need to let genuine new comers thrive and focus the grief on alts and others that are already committed to box; try to just pvp them once and instead of bind camping invite to exp after.

FoH has taken in newbies since day one, helped level them, gear them, and send them off to the guilds that put in no work to develop population. We don't turn anyone away without a good reason. I personally never target anyone specifically unless they talk smack or are in another guild, which is most likely feeding right into Nihilum. Flowers are the only personality on this server from level 1-50.

Sometimes, truth isn't good enough, sometimes people deserve more. Sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded.

We'll be hunted, condemned, the dogs will be sent on us, but that's what has to happen.

Because we are the heroes Norath deserves, and so we will be hunted, because we can take it. Because we are not heroes. We are silent guardians, watchful protectors... dark knights.

[Smedy]

I'd agree with Heartbrand here, maybe it's not the right approach to simply just increase XP 1-50, but for the love of god increase the group xp 1-50 instead, to at least make the lowbies enjoy grouping and seek it out cause its better xp.

Right now grouping results in slower xp for all classes that can solo.

[mostbitter]

forget it

[Dullah]

No surprise the same burn it down crowd is creating 5 new post a day trying to make the server look bad.

Exp is still much faster than blue. Still has the same scaling exp bonus from 1-50.

The only thing hurting the pop is pumping bullshit into OOC and the forums about how bad the server is and making mountains out of mole hills.

[Nirgon]

The question is... do you increase group xping in any way that makes it a benefit to keep a warrior in the group who almost never touches the mobs? That's what I think it will take, unless imo make it a bonus with 3+ (duo xp is already good imo). I still kind of foresee a group of 3 casters killing things, but at least its something and makes the game social outside of the ooc.

We're not aiming at a classic implementation of anything here, we're just trying to get the pop growing again.

[HippoNipple]

No surprise the same burn it down crowd is creating 5 new post a day trying to make the server look bad.

Exp is still much faster than blue. Still has the same scaling exp bonus from 1-50.

The only thing hurting the pop is pumping bullshit into OOC and the forums about how bad the server is and making mountains out of mole hills.

Is the scaling in?

[Tippett]

actually scaling bonus aint there no more

[Clearrain]

Level 60's shitting on the lowbies because they don't want any competition and the level 60's have the attention of those who run the servers.

You're fucking scum, your ruining the server. Let the sub 50's get to playing form, This is a PVP server not a fucking BLUE server, fuck off.

[Tippett]

make pvp 4 level range

[Nirgon]

If I can be objective here (I like to think I am), this isn't supposed to be an instant 50 server. It's also not supposed to be a 1-60 in 2 weeks server.

I'm not advocating faster xp in any way to promote pvp, but to alleviate the 1-50 grind by yourself. Who really wants to play that (I can hack it, and again am speaking objectively and broadly)? See how long the blue server's fresh faces survive with a 120 pop that is largely 40+.

[HippoNipple]

If I can be objective here (I like to think I am), this isn't supposed to be an instant 50 server. It's also not supposed to be a 1-60 in 2 weeks server.

I'm not advocating faster xp in any way to promote pvp, but to alleviate the 1-50 grind by yourself. Who really wants to play that (I can hack it, and again am speaking objectively and broadly)? See how long the blue server's fresh faces survive with a 120 pop that is largely 40+.

Yeah I agree. I'm not arguing for my sake even. I'm level 43 and it has taken me forever. I have grouped several times but no considerable exp was gained in the groups other than the duo with a bard. I can watch some movies and mindlessly grind away to 50+ no problem now that I'm somewhat close. I'm not one for alts and if I do play one it is just because a friend is playing and wants to group.

I think the Nihilum hardcore players are so disconnected from reality they don't understand players that don't play 24/7. All of their opinions are detached from the rest of the population and they honestly think they are right. It was obvious that they have a different mentality when they were playing 24/7 with 20 people on the server.

Comments about not being able to handle the hardcore everquest environment, when in reality it is just grinding easy pve content over and over, is a quick way to end a constructive conversation about how to improve the population.

[Nirgon]

Randomly surfing the web is in fact more fun than solo'ing 1-50 in EQ :P (especially without pvp). Hence, pop.

I'm quite interested to see how all these Nihilum advocating the group xp over overall bonus goes when the addendum of "only 1-50" for the grouping bonus is added :).

[Macarena]

your all complaining that your playing on a classic eq pvp server with classic mechanics lol, go play something else if this isnt what you want and stop whining for a custom changes like rediculous boosted exp, project1999 ishere to provide a classic like experience and that doesnt seem to be what you want

[HippoNipple]

your all complaining that your playing on a classic eq pvp server with classic mechanics lol, go play something else if this isnt what you want and stop whining for a custom changes like rediculous boosted exp, project1999 ishere to provide a classic like experience and that doesnt seem to be what you want

Your confusing this server with project 1999 blue, this is project 1999 red, get the fuck out. This server is far from a classic pvp server using the 1999 timeline.

[Tumdumm]

any newcomer has obviously ruined their own lands, and they will not ruin mine

newb deaths will increase 600% when i get outta work

[Nirgon]

In classic a 150 pop server would be merged then closed :P.

Try to debate high level brain functions with a neurosurgeon, you may do better with that than trying to tell me off about some classic EQ pal.

I also believe red and blue in their current state are part of the PROJECT, the goal of which being to release truly bad ass timeline servers.

[Handpartytowel]

customlike experience confirmed

[Tarwine]

It's really simple, we're losing population, we were gaining it when exp was faster. It doesn't matter what the reasons are.

[Nirgon]

Maybe the bluebies whose attention the pop haters seem to crave so much will care more about what you're doing when the population isn't under 200.

[bordbard]

I came back to p99 from an 18 month break after Kunark launched and could not stay interested in continuing my lvl 50 characters on blue.

Just for fun I decided to start up a character on red almost exclusively because of the xp bonus which would translate into less of my free time being spent endlessly grinding the same old content. I was quickly hooked and loved how quickly I was leveling.

My characters birthdate was Feb 1st 2013 and the last time I logged in I think was Feb 20th. When the patch went in that removed the XP bonus I was level 38 and I even stuck with it for a day or two and got to level 40. All it took was 40% of level 40 grinding with no XP bonus to cause me to lose interest completely (same reasons I had no interest in griding my lvl 51 characters on blue).

I check the forums every day to see any news about XP bonus being put back and until that day comes I dont think I will be logging in again.

I think mainly the players that stopped playing were in my similar situation where we saw what it was like with the large XP bonus only to have it taken away. I'm sure any new players trying out red for the first time will actually think positively about the XP bonus as it stands now because they have no idea what it was like during the 'good times'.

It certainly doesn't help that there has still been no official announcement or patch notes about the XP removal or even the +25% that was added back in. If you weren't online at the time Nilbog talked about it in OOC you were left in the dark.

-Cannabliss

[Smedy]

I came back to p99 from an 18 month break after Kunark launched and could not stay interested in continuing my lvl 50 characters on blue.

Just for fun I decided to start up a character on red almost exclusively because of the xp bonus which would translate into less of my free time being spent endlessly grinding the same old content. I was quickly hooked and loved how quickly I was leveling.

My characters birthdate was Feb 1st 2013 and the last time I logged in I think was Feb 20th. When the patch went in that removed the XP bonus I was level 38 and I even stuck with it for a day or two and got to level 40. All it took was 40% of level 40 grinding with no XP bonus to cause me to lose interest completely (same reasons I had no interest in griding my lvl 51 characters on blue).

I check the forums every day to see any news about XP bonus being put back and until that day comes I dont think I will be logging in again.

I think mainly the players that stopped playing were in my similar situation where we saw what it was like with the large XP bonus only to have it taken away. I'm sure any new players trying out red for the first time will actually think positively about the XP bonus as it stands now because they have no idea what it was like during the 'good times'.

It certainly doesn't help that there has still been no official announcement or patch notes about the XP removal or even the +25% that was added back in. If you weren't online at the time Nilbog talked about it in OOC you were left in the dark.

-Cannabliss

What more do you need staff of Red99? Make it like it was before the patch, shit was picking up slowly but surely. And lets not fool anyone, leveling a guy to 60 with xp bonus still harder on red then blue without xp bonus, you have nothing to die from, whomever dies to PVE in a 14 year old game needs to stop playing now.

[Nirgon]

Surely this man has plans of taking over VP, rally the troops against him.

[quido]

Did they really ice the 1-50 bonus? I can't speak for those levels any more, but I had two mostly identical large pulls before and after this supposed nerf and it appears that the 25% bonus is still in effect. Does anyone actually know if there's been any real word from rogean or nilborg on this changing?

I personally don't think the nasty grind is that ridiculous, but having with it a 3% unrezzable exp hit per pvp death is completely ludicrous. I've heard you say before something to the effect of "we don't want there to be no consequences for taking a pvp death," but there are plenty of real consequences when you take a pvp death. Not only is there the reputation and the probable screenshot, there's the CR which very often is a CR under extreme duress. There is the coin, but really we're talking about the intangible factors here.

Sometimes I can't help it and gotta go harass em for a minute, but so often I am just avoiding pvp with Nihilum where I would otherwise go have some fun. I think about the consequences of even a single pvp death, the likely 60-90 minutes of leveling it will cost me, and I say to myself "fuck it." And that's the life of the underdog here, I'm not complaining really, it's just kind of bunk that some arbitrary and unnecessary feature of the implementation deters me from doing what I'm really here to do. What's the fucking point? Taking a death is punishing enough, especially when you're hated for speaking the truth.

[SamwiseRed]

No surprise the same burn it down crowd is creating 5 new post a day trying to make the server look bad.

Exp is still much faster than blue. Still has the same scaling exp bonus from 1-50.

The only thing hurting the pop is pumping bullshit into OOC and the forums about how bad the server is and making mountains out of mole hills.

leveled close to 4 characters to 60 with the +75% bonus, says xp is fine now lawl. not sure if this guy is a lunatic or an idiot hehe

[Dullah]

Is the scaling in?

actually scaling bonus aint there no more

Yes, scaling is still in, with an ADDITIONAL 25% exp bonus.

So at level 1 start with 125% exp to 25% at 50-60 if the 25% applies to all levels. Otherwise, its 100%@1-1%@50 and +25% 51-60.

Exp 51+ was a straight +75%.

There is a general (scaling) formula for lvls 1-50. On top of that, there was the experience bonus everyone is discussing, which is currently +25% as per Rogean.

Two weeks ago I was able to help powerlevel a character to 50 in 13 hours played. We're hardly in bad shape with a bit of a reduction.

leveled close to 4 characters to 60 with the +75% bonus, says xp is fine now lawl. not sure if this guy is a lunatic or an idiot hehe

You are a waste of breath. Just go ahead and quit again already.

FYI I have 2 characters I've leveled to 60 since kunark because exp rate was and still is insanely fast here.

[Warhound]

I started a bard up at the tail end of the bigger experience bonus. Based on the rate of leveling I figured I could convince a crew of 5 more to start up a group. It Felt like we could hit 50 doing most pre Kunark content 1-2 times. Exp bonus Nerf.. Crew down to 2-3. grind fest on. What can I say... Sandbox PVP without instancing is fun but some won't take the grind to get to the fun. Dissapointing because I can't stand the instanced crap they find fun.

The only thing I ever hated on live was how unless you had an efficient group then soloing was the way to go(class dependent). This still seems to be the case. With the low population and peoples natural variance in playtime it seems you've locked in soloing sub 50 as the way to go.

I think a decent exp bonus for grouping would be nice.

As far as not being classic... I'm only 21 and have been through a plethora of not classic moments. #1 being exp loss on pvp. Talk about a game changer.


Just my 2 cents..

[Nirgon]

You realize a 100% bonus is 4 times faster than a 25% bonus? Good comparison. "Still is insanely fast" hah, good 1. You should be the head of the Nihilum debate team.

[Dullah]

The bonus was 75% Sherlock.

[Tippett]

no one ever said scaling was still in even nilbog didnt mention it

how do u know?

[Nuncio]

You realize a 100% bonus is 4 times faster than a 25% bonus?

wut

[Dullah]

no one ever said scaling was still in even nilbog didnt mention it

how do u know?


Couldn't be because he posted it a week ago and I literally just quoted what he said 10 minutes ago.

No wonder you guys have so much trouble leveling, you have the IQ of a house plant and the reading comprehension of a 2nd grader.

Exp 51+ was a straight +75%.

There is a general (scaling) formula for lvls 1-50. On top of that, there was the experience bonus everyone is discussing, which is currently +25% as per Rogean.

[Nirgon]

The bonus was 75% Sherlock.

Really though.. there wasn't a 100% bonus at Kunark launch for quite some time?

[Nirgon]

The prosecution submits exhibits 1, 2 and 3..

http://i48.tinypic.com/2vj98k8.png

Sup?

(Comment omitted! -Nirg)

I don't just make things up off the top of my head, as you'd like everyone to believe here.

In fact, anyone wanting an honest, objective opinion can ask me in game.

[Nirgon]

no one ever said scaling was still in even nilbog didnt mention it

how do u know?

Easy one.

And before you back pedal we were told there was "currently a 0% bonus" with no mention of scaling in ooc by Rogean/chatting with Nilbog.

[Nirgon]

http://i.qkme.me/3ow93p.jpg

[Handpartytowel]

nirgon u gotta get better at linking images dog

[Rettii]

Dullah also boxes a shaman with an enchanter to help him power level new alts.

He and the rest of Nihilum who are against xp bonus took 5 day benders to be first for every lvl 50-60 during the double xp modifier.

You say it's the burn it down crowd wanting an exp bonus? Why would anyone that's trying to promote grouping and exp rates that help cater to less poopsocking in favor of population gains want the server to fail?

Sounds extremely legit.

[Tippett]

guess i missed a post i.e. bad reading comprehension

[quido]

Isn't a 100% bonus only 60% faster than a 25% bonus? (2.0 - 1.25) / 1.25 = 0.6

It's just four times the bonus, but you still got that first 1.0 no matter what.

[Nirgon]

100% per kill (Mob base 100xp let's say, so 200)
75% kill (175)
Difference of 25% per kill? (25 xp)

Stop derailing, we may have gotten Nizzar to bat phone no more forum posting today.

(can't tell you usrs, responding in kind)

[Nuncio]

Isn't a 100% bonus only 60% faster than a 25% bonus? (2.0 - 1.25) / 1.25 = 0.6

It's just four times the bonus, but you still got that first 1.0 no matter what.

This is what my 'wut' was for.

[heartbrand]

I still get two blues a quad in 35 on my wiz. There's no way that's with only a 25% exp bonus. Scaling must be in.

[Tomatoking]

i made a char today , and once i dinged level 2 macroquest told me i was getting 2.9% exp per monster average ( Blue mobs )

logged immediately : )

[vouss]

I really don't feel scaling is in at the moment

[Galacticus]

Anyone with a character level 50+ should be exempt from even commenting. This isn't even about them.

IF THERE IS MORE XP = MORE PEOPLE PLAY = MORE LOW LEVELS CHARACTERS ARE CREATED

These arguments against XP rising are such nonsense.

You want low end pvp to thrive yet you play 50+ characters.

You are afraid population will dwindle if more xp is added, but it already has dwindled and continues.

You want xp to stay classic but the thirty other non classic things are fine.

You want to keep low end pvp yet there is no low end pvp to keep.

[Galacticus]

Hijinx your basically saying the server shoul be 50-60 only with no new players and no low end game. That would mean pop does nothing but decay down to 30 again.

HERP DERP DERP ALERT!

There are already 90+ nihilum members logging on to raid. You forget about them? Do they all disappear when the xp is increased because they been waiting to roll their mega twinks with the new xp bonus?

[Galacticus]

I like that EXP is slower here, because it forces you to take your character seriously and not just level throw away train chars etc., on the other hand obviously due to the low pop it's very hard to level. I think a nice balance would be either a grouping balance to encourage group play rather than SoloQuest OR low-mid level hot zones.

HERP DERP HERP ALERT!

No it doesnt force you to take anything seriously. The time you spent in this game revolves around your REAL life first.

Not all players are created equally, someone might have hundreds of hours to waste. On eq, on starcraft, shooting squirls out back, growing tomatoes.

Others have to find time and move shit around in their real lives to play. Those people who cant spare as much time take their characters more serious then the guy who doesnt give a shit where his time goes.

Leveling time does not equal commitment to a character or prevent throw away train characters from the tomato growers with too much time.

[Jenni D]

i cant believe someone with several level 60s including an SK, with HUGE combined /played times & a vicious attitude towards ethnic minorities has labelled Samwise a "waste of breath".

This is the same Samwise who has done more for server noobs than anyone else, organised the foundations of the current competition you have and "crave", loving father and husband and very casual gamer (his priorities are correct)

[Jenni D]

im honestly gobsmacked.

some of you #grownassadults need to wake up to reality

[Clearrain]

Samwise is a bro and a hero to this server, recognize.

[Tomatoking]

sam is a nice guy , rare spawn on red trust me

and galac , who would shoot a squirrel?

i have a bunch my neighbor feeds and luckily they havent touched one tomato

they do however enjoy my mangos

[Dullah]

i cant believe someone with several level 60s including an SK, with HUGE combined /played times & a vicious attitude towards ethnic minorities has labelled Samwise a "waste of breath".

This is the same Samwise who has done more for server noobs than anyone else, organised the foundations of the current competition you have and "crave", loving father and husband and very casual gamer (his priorities are correct)

http://i.qkme.me/3os2lj.jpg

[Sirbanmelotz]

Why was server down so long? What they change??

[Tradesonred]

Just like in WoW, population increases after "expansions" (epic patch) are common as the lurkers come back to see if the game has improved. And when they find out that its the same old shit, they leave again.

But if welfare legacy items pinata'd out after events are more your thing than old school, red server PvP, by all means, enjoy your experience here.

That would make sense if the pop increased alot after the content patch. In fact, box got revived weeks before that, which is why i came back from a 1-2 month hiatus.

I quit this time (its not a hard quit though, might come back) for various reasons, but yes the slow ass xp is one reason. The devs just dont get how to run a pvp box. Im getting tendonitis typing this shit down for a year now.

Slow ass xp wouldnt matter if there was no xp loss in pvp, cuz then you could just enjoy the ride up with large doses of pvp.

Or, boost xp, which was the next best option, which is gone.

PS: Put Dullah on ignore, youll enjoy the forums more.

[Sear]

Good Guy Samwise

[vouss]

someones better at a video game then you, blame the parents

[mostbitter]

pop back under 100, all is well in the realm

[Shrubwise]

Server can do with less players IMHO. It makes me nervous when I see someone besides Nihilum in Overthere while I'm swarming on my bard.

I say 50% experience penalty, please!

[Malevz]

I didn't read the whole thread, but how many pages in before the 'this was done cause all nihilum is 60 and they had their pocket GM's change it' accusations start? I'm going to guess page 2 or 3.

[InfamousTaco]

Honestly, when I see posts where noobs just simply refuse to log in because the experience bonus was reduced, it makes me think we aren't missing out on anyone important anyway.

The experience is fast here. Look at <Force> those guys haven't even been on the server a month and theres a whole guild of 50+ already. What more do you want?

The experience was at 75% for a LONG time and the population was stagnant. And now that it is removed noobs are claiming they just simply CAN'T do it anymore.

Don't get me wrong, I love noobs, I help them every day. But when noobs become ENTITLED to their fast exp and easy loots? Naw, naw.

The elephant in the room is that the exp scaling bonus is still in effect, PLUS the hotly debated 25% bonus. Forums doing it's usual good job of perpetuating fin toil hat conspiracies, created by people that don't even actively play on the server.

[Tarwine]

The experience is fast here. Look at <Force> those guys haven't even been on the server a month and theres a whole guild of 50+ already. What more do you want?


Yeah... And they leveled up during the 75% exp bonus. That's exactly what we want.

[Rettii]

Yeah... And they leveled up during the 75% exp bonus. That's exactly what we want.

and they joined the server together and played as a group the entire time with high lvl Druid and cleric power level.

Agreed they are an example of coming with friends and actually making it, but point is the nature of the low pop pvp server deters new population that doesn't have already established pals.

[Sear]

Was there an actual reason for the exp rate change + was this in any of the patch notes?

[HippoNipple]

Honestly, when I see posts where noobs just simply refuse to log in because the experience bonus was reduced, it makes me think we aren't missing out on anyone important anyway.

The experience is fast here. Look at <Force> those guys haven't even been on the server a month and theres a whole guild of 50+ already. What more do you want?

The experience was at 75% for a LONG time and the population was stagnant. And now that it is removed noobs are claiming they just simply CAN'T do it anymore.

Don't get me wrong, I love noobs, I help them every day. But when noobs become ENTITLED to their fast exp and easy loots? Naw, naw.

The elephant in the room is that the exp scaling bonus is still in effect, PLUS the hotly debated 25% bonus. Forums doing it's usual good job of perpetuating fin toil hat conspiracies, created by people that don't even actively play on the server.

This is a joke. The entire guild shares level 50's and boxed their way up with the help of gear being handed to them. Compliments and help being handed to them by guilds foaming at the mouth at the opportunity to snag the new players joining with play times of 8+ hours a day. The guild has 0 PvP ability and is sitting in zones afk 8 hours a day with level 50+ doing all the work.

This is the same thing as comparing the average noob to Gream. Gream wondered on the server with no clue what was going on and was rushed to 50+ by Nihilum. The guy is decked out in gear and still has no clue what is going on.

The scaling bonus from what I have heard is no longer in the game. I'm pretty sure Nilbog stated that, saying the only remaining bonus is a straight 25%. Level 1-20 is probably about 2-3x as tough as it was. Hitting level 15 and knowing you could have been level 25-30 by that point is a big difference.

I don't see why Nihilum has any negative input on this subject. Are you guys trying to brag about your PvE skills and how well you can level in any atmosphere? The fact is Nihilum has very little in common with the average players play time. The average Nihilum player has 0 ability to relate with the gameplay experience of a casual player.

Do casual players mean anything to you? Probably not and you don't mean shit to them either besides the port/buff you provide every now and then.

But then again what do I know, this is Nihilum's server I'm just playing in it.

[heartbrand]

Scaling bonus is absolutely in. I get two blues quadding in 35 as a wizard. No way that happens on blue with only 25% bonus.

[HippoNipple]

Scaling bonus is absolutely in. I get two blues quadding in 35 as a wizard. No way that happens on blue with only 25% bonus.

Well I still get close to that in mid 40's. I get 2% per kill.

[Malevz]

This is the same thing as comparing the average noob to Gream. Gream wondered on the server with no clue what was going on and was rushed to 50+ by Nihilum. The guy is decked out in gear and still has no clue what is going on.


God your tears are delicious random jealous person. I can clarify here. Gream wandered into our TS from another channel and started talking to a few of us about red after a raid one night. He seemed like a cool guy and asked what classes we needed and a few people offered to help him level up, and helped him with gear. Now he's one of our regulars members.

It's kind of like pretty woman only for EQ, and now gream is our prostitute!

I was going somewhere with this but I forget, in any case <3 Gream

[Shrubwise]

Was there an actual reason for the exp rate change + was this in any of the patch notes?

The 75% exp bonus was meant to be temporary. It was accidentally left in for as long as it was.

God forbid anyone have to level at a sub-standard 25% exp bonus ;-(

(The one that's in right now to appease to Le Cry Babiez)

[Splorf22]

I really don't see any reason not to leave in the XP bonus. The red server peaks at 150 players now, anything that would attract more (and helps them level to actual PVP at 45+) seems like a good idea. If it was peaking at 300-400 that would be a different story. I would say leveling on Red with xp on pvp death and 25% bonus is harder than on blue with more groups and no bonus.

[Handpartytowel]

the xp loss on pvp death was a drunken troll by null before kunark was a glimmer in red99's eye that was left in due to null entering the witness protection program and never showing his face on emu again.

3% xp death when you are lvl 49 is VASTLY different from 3% at 59.
like 2 mobs vs 6 hours of killing in a group.

[HippoNipple]

God your tears are delicious random jealous person. I can clarify here. Gream wandered into our TS from another channel and started talking to a few of us about red after a raid one night. He seemed like a cool guy and asked what classes we needed and a few people offered to help him level up, and helped him with gear. Now he's one of our regulars members.

It's kind of like pretty woman only for EQ, and now gream is our prostitute!

I was going somewhere with this but I forget, in any case <3 Gream

That's how I understood it to be with Gream. I was saying someone being PL from 1-50 shouldn't be the standard to an argument about 1-50 leveling. I'm just standing up for the noobs playing that are getting talked down to by Nihilum players. I don't plan on leveling up another char so it doesn't affect me personally. If I get on a lower level char it is just to group with a friend and exp gain isn't a big deal when I do that.

[SamwiseRed]

i can definitely level up on blue faster than red with a class dependent on groups.

[Malevz]

That's how I understood it to be with Gream. I was saying someone being PL from 1-50 shouldn't be the standard to an argument about 1-50 leveling. I'm just standing up for the noobs playing that are getting talked down to by Nihilum players. I don't plan on leveling up another char so it doesn't affect me personally. If I get on a lower level char it is just to group with a friend and exp gain isn't a big deal when I do that.

To be clear I didn't mean whore in the way that we have sex with him or anything. It's mostly him fellating us and angry handjobs now and then. Nothing gross.

[heartbrand]

the xp loss on pvp death was a drunken troll by null before kunark was a glimmer in red99's eye that was left in due to null entering the witness protection program and never showing his face on emu again.

3% xp death when you are lvl 49 is VASTLY different from 3% at 59.
like 2 mobs vs 6 hours of killing in a group.

wait, wut, didn't I say this over and over again and get called a bluebie by you guys? lul

[BigSlip]

you have the IQ of a house plant .

lol

huggies and tomatoes come to mind

[Tippett]

i dont think hpt specifically called you a blueb and mostly morans if I recall were saying exp loss isnt a big deal 50+

shits still dum wheres the fix

[Handpartytowel]

wait, wut, didn't I say this over and over again and get called a bluebie by you guys? lul

no. i have never supported anything that requires me to run in a circle more times.

[Smedy]

3% xp death when you are lvl 49 is VASTLY different from 3% at 59.
like 2 mobs vs 6 hours of killing in a group.

voila

[Avon Barksdale]

server fine as is too much wining ranger is already 28 and i made him like a week ago

I work 80 hours a week and he doesnt even have a day /played yet shits fine

Calling bullshit here, unless you have a fungi and some other nice gears. It took me 5 hours/level starting mid teens to solo, and I was doing it with 0 downtime between kills (no healing or medding required w/ mah method). By my 40s, it was more like 10 hours/level solo. Grabbing an enc and fearkiting with a backstab pet was tits, that shit went by at like 1.5 hrs/level, when I could find a willing enc.

Impressed though that you work 11+ hours a day 7 days a week and still find time for EQ.

Edit: no panic animal til Velious 8 /

[Tippett]

1. i have p nice gears
2. u leveled without exp bonus
3. yeah i exaggerated a bit just did the math I work like 65 hours a week heh

[SamwiseRed]

you gotta realize tippett is the master of leveling toons. will make groups out of shit then make it work.

[Tippett]

in a rng/sk/nec group right now

PHAT EXPS

[Sear]

hearing in ooc that exp rate is back to what it used to be

CONFIRM / DENY?


I will say it seems fine to me atm, and I'm playing a hybrid

[HippoNipple]

I don't see any difference in exp today.

[Biaxil]

I read this whole thread. All I can say is that I'm a level 17 and my wife is a level 15. We play casually (10-15 hrs a week tops). We are on red and are enjoying the game. We do other things while we are medding for mana. We both have insanely busy scheds and don't get to play everyday. As far as exping, itd be nice if there we more people to level with, but we realize that the server pop is so low, so its usually just the two of us grping unless we find a random to grp with us. We figure that we will eventually get to pvp, but until we hit 50+, we are just enjoying the game a lot and taking it in stride. I don't understand why everyone is complaining about the exp rates. Are you really in a rush to hit level 60? Just play the game and have fun with it. If you don't like it, don't play. Its pretty simple.

only thing that makes sense to me is to get rid of pvp exp loss. Outside of that, the exp still feels faster than when i played on vallon zek.

[Biaxil]

Would your wife have sex with me if i PLed her and hooked her up with a sexy adviser robe that she would wear out to dinner with me?

Something only a hopeless dork would have the balls to write on the internet. Say that in person and you wouldn't be able to respawn.

[Justown]

Something only a hopeless dork would have the balls to write on the internet. Say that in person and you wouldn't be able to respawn.

I'd advise you to save your time and go to Blue....Seems like the only things 90% of the people on red know to say are MAD, UMAD, HEMAD, and the ever so popular SOUNDS LIKE MAD BRO....even after you agree with them. Odds are this is why server pop is dying, not because of the XP rate.

[Loli Pops]

http://i.imgur.com/9Fp5eLn.jpg

[mizin]

Something only a hopeless dork would have the balls to write on the internet. Say that in person and you wouldn't be able to respawn.

Only a true "hopeless dork" is gonna say something like "say that in person and you wouldn't be able to respawn". You're a loser. - Confirmed.

[mizin]

I'd advise you to save your time and go to Blue....Seems like the only things 90% of the people on red know to say are MAD, UMAD, HEMAD, and the ever so popular SOUNDS LIKE MAD BRO....even after you agree with them. Odds are this is why server pop is dying, not because of the XP rate.

And actually the pop started dropping consistently since exp rates went down. Has nothing to do with people saying "you mad"? Seems like a lot of mad up in your post.

[Clark]

http://i.imgur.com/9Fp5eLn.jpg

hahaha:cool:

[Clark]

Something only a hopeless dork would have the balls to write on the internet. Say that in person and you wouldn't be able to respawn.

Only a true "hopeless dork" is gonna say something like "say that in person and you wouldn't be able to respawn". You're a loser. - Confirmed.

damn son






gloves are off

[Tippett]

Shipit you are starting to annoy me with your anti server exaggerations. Hardly a majority of people will spam u mad and grief the shit out of newbies. If someone spams shit that annoys you in /ooc just put them on ignore.

I give loot away daily and share experience, most people pre endgame are helpful and anything but griefy. If anyone needs a leg up /t Galehad in-game.

A lot of the shit talking you may see is from end game guilds who pk/pvp each other all day, their taunting can get heated I will admit that.

[Tippett]

Oh Maria Maria
She reminds me of a west side story
Growing up in Spanish Harlem
She living the life just like a movie star

Oh Maria Maria
She fell in love in East L.A.
To the sounds of the guitar, yea ,yea
Played by Carlos Santana

Stop the looting, stop the shooting
Pick pocking on the corner
See as the rich is getting richer
The poorer is getting poorer

See mi y Maria on the corner
Thinking of ways to make it better
In my mailbox there's an eviction letter
Somebody just said see you later

Ahora vengo mama chula mama chula
Ahora vengo mama chula (east coast)

Ahora vengo mama chula mama chula
Ahora vengo mama chula (west coast)

[Justown]

And actually the pop started dropping consistently since exp rates went down. Has nothing to do with people saying "you mad"? Seems like a lot of mad up in your post.

Idiot.

[Swish]

Can't argue with the population drop.

[Dullah]

There were more players online last night on a thursday than I've seen in a year. I see the angle is to get exp bonus back, but find some better propaganda.

[Nirgon]

What do you think about a grouping bonus for lvl 1-50 only?

[Tomatoking]

Something only a hopeless dork would have the balls to write on the internet. Say that in person and you wouldn't be able to respawn.

i love this guy

he would beat amous up irl haha

[heartbrand]

What makes EQ so special and its high replay value is the ability to twink which is all but gone in all other MMORPGs with level locked items and wow ezmode exp. The exp nerf has killed the desire of many of us to roll new twinks.

[Dullah]

What do you think about a grouping bonus for lvl 1-50 only?

I personally think the +25% bonus should only be converted into a grouping bonus. Its bad to reward solo exp when so many classes require a group.

Not sure why there would only be a grouping bonus 1-50 and not until 60.

[Handpartytowel]

I personally think the +25% bonus should only be converted into a grouping bonus. Its bad to reward solo exp when so many classes require a group.

Not sure why there would only be a grouping bonus 1-50 and not until 60.

as a wizard, aka awesome at solo leveling class, i would fully support giving up a general xp bonus for a large grouping bonus.

i am convinced that it is actually worse to group on this server than to solo. that is, if i kill 10 mobs solo i will get significantly more xp than if my group of 6 kills 60 mobs. this is dumb.

[Biaxil]

Only a true "hopeless dork" is gonna say something like "say that in person and you wouldn't be able to respawn". You're a loser. - Confirmed.

Like I totally didn't see this one coming.

[Nirgon]

Not sure why there would only be a grouping bonus 1-50 and not until 60.

The population is top heavy when it comes to levels. 51 is about when I think its OK to pull in a healer, enchanter or tank for common groups (seb disco, Necro/Guardian, easier HS wings) in Kunark dungeons. This gets them to the point where they are able to play with the rest of the active population.

A grouping bonus 1-50 along with a 4 level pvp range would make it a much nicer place to come to for new people. If the pop breaks 300 or so, we can talk about turning it down.

Or just stealth change xp / do nothing :P.